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catholic1seeks
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And which nation is this?
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esieffe
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This article in “Crisis Magazine” is disgusting, this premise is disgusting and blasphemous, and I am not, nor have I ever been pro SSM. The tactics used in this article are no better then the worst tactics used by the darkest side of the pro SSM lobby.
I am outraged that someone would designate Sainthood to something as hedonistic as Nero. I don’t care if it a lampoon, if it is making an example, or illustrating a point. I find this whole thing so offensive on so many levels, I have to go outside and cool down.
I am outraged that someone would designate Sainthood to something as hedonistic as Nero. I don’t care if it a lampoon, if it is making an example, or illustrating a point. I find this whole thing so offensive on so many levels, I have to go outside and cool down.
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ialsop
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No, Im going to blame it on people like you who step out of the way quietly when “bad things” happen to those who uphold traditional marriage. The issue is not so much the homosexual act, that is for their souls to discern, the problem for US is the propaganda being shoved down our throat. And, yes, I would blame a business being shut down on the gay couple that sued it. Doesnt that seem logical?
Also, I dont think your understanding. The problem is not so much that more people can legally fornicate with tax benefits now, the problem is the redefinition of marriage itself.
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ialsop
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What are you talking about???
What blasphemous tactics? What is wrong with the article???
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Kenny_Kamel
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Consider how the sign of God’s covenant with Noah was the rainbow and that covenant was established after the world had been cleansed of the sin that had multiplied and consumed the world. Now the rainbow has been adopted as a symbol of that consuming sin which lead to the world’s destruction. One could venture to think that the evil one twisted and perverted the rainbow’s symbolism but perhaps it is quite apropos?
Can you cite a more famous example of same-sex marriage in history?
Coming from someone who makes thread after thread and posts excessively on your “doctrine” and then asserts that the Catholic Church is obsessed with it
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catholic1seeks
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Sorry if I misinterpreted or misled, on my part. But I by no means want anything bad to happen to anyone or his or her business simply because he or she opposed gay marriage. I do not oppose gay marriage. I am gay and, as of now, do desire to be married one day. But I do not at all want any harm on anyone’s well-being.
I simply do not like this idea of smearing all gay people and their supporters. We are not under the patron of a murderous, crazy Roman Emperor. God and His Beloved Son and Spirit will always love us and guide us and be our ultimate patron. Are some gay people sinful? Of course. But do some wish to live peaceful lives married to the person he or she loves? Of course. If this is a sin, then it will be found out at death. But for many, this is simply how life works and makes sense for them.
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catholic1seeks
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One word.
Nero.
Anyone who knows a bit of history will see how unjust it is to identify him with a movement that wants persons the right to be happy.
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catholic1seeks
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Russia does not exactly have the greatest reputation in its treatment of gay people. If you are going to uphold this nation as a good model for how to treat homosexuality and gay marriage, then I believe we won’t be speaking the same language at all.
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catholic1seeks
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Is it common sense for a gay person to want to fall in love with and spend his life with a person of the same sex?
I think so.
I think so.
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catholic1seeks
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Your logic:
Hitler married a woman.
He should be the patron of Heterosexual Marriage.
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catholic1seeks
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That marriage is between male and female and defined with particular characteristics if most definitely a religious claim.Coming from someone who makes thread after thread and posts excessively on your “doctrine” and then asserts that the Catholic Church is obsessed with it
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Thorolfr
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Or lets compare their examples to the real persecution of homosexuals by the Catholic Church. Here’s a few examples I’ve come across from medieval and Reformation Germany:
- In 1277, a nobleman from Basel was sentenced to be burned at the stake for the “sodomitical vice”.
- In 1381, five men in Augsburg were burned at the stake for “having committed sodomy”.
- In 1399 in Basel, a man named Friedrich the cook was burned at the stake for “sex with a man named Schregelin”.
- In 1431, Hermann von Hohenlandenberg, a noble from Zurich, was sentenced to death for having sex with another man.
- In 1493, a man in Fribourg was burned at the stake for having sex with men.
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Kenny_Kamel
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So is SSM about ensuring that people get what they want?
I asked for an example of same-sex marriage in history that could be considered significant as was Nero’s. Don’t dodge the question please.
The understanding of marriage as it has been known throughout the entirety of human history is not purely religious. That being said considering how new SSM is comparatively speaking it would be intellectually repugnant to dismiss such history.
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esieffe
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It is just plain wrong to apply the title of Patron Saint of anything, to a monster like Nero, even to make a point or lampoon. :twocents:
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JimG
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Perhaps the most pertinent part of the article is this:
“I have long maintained that there is no point in arguing against “gay marriage,” because there are no arguments for it. To argue that a “homosexual” has no right to marry another man is not unlike arguing that a unicorn has no right to be a computer programmer.”
The author goes on to note that nowhere in the history of Western civilization has there ever been a notion that marriage could involve two persons of the same sex.
But, it is sometimes noted by SSM proponents that the example of Nero shows that SSM was practiced in the Roman Empire. But it wasn’t. That was just a peculiarity of Nero, which made him a laughingstock to other Romans.
Still, I don’t doubt that today, he would get his own TV program and it would be quite popular.
“I have long maintained that there is no point in arguing against “gay marriage,” because there are no arguments for it. To argue that a “homosexual” has no right to marry another man is not unlike arguing that a unicorn has no right to be a computer programmer.”
The author goes on to note that nowhere in the history of Western civilization has there ever been a notion that marriage could involve two persons of the same sex.
But, it is sometimes noted by SSM proponents that the example of Nero shows that SSM was practiced in the Roman Empire. But it wasn’t. That was just a peculiarity of Nero, which made him a laughingstock to other Romans.
Still, I don’t doubt that today, he would get his own TV program and it would be quite popular.
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ialsop
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Alright, and I apologize if I tried to paint you in a bad light.
I do not mean to smear gay people. Se, I love all people. GOD loves all people. I have a gay cousin, and gay friends. Look, I love gay people.
The problem arises when one tries to assert that gay unions are marriages. Simply because I believe, yes, according to my doctrine, that marriage is a sacrament, a spiritual bond, between a man and a woman, And that doctrine is based on nature, where man-woman sex results in human life, and woman-woman or man-man sex results in nothing but pleasure.
Now, if you want to be in a union with somebody of the same sex, and have financial benefits, fine. I dont CARE what the government supports anymore. Jut know that it is IMPOSSIBLE as it is impossible to fall upwards for you to be MARRIED to the person.
But I do not mean to judge you, just warn you. There will be people who had homosexual attractions in heaven, but many in hell too for defiling a sacrament.
I do not mean to smear all gays, I just want you to know that.
Was Nero happy? He WAS gay…
Nero just wanted to be happy…but was it a happy time? The article is not saying all gays are neronian, it is saying that a civilization that abandons all restrictions for the purpise of “happiness” and pleasure will not be happy. Really, the article is not so much political at its core as it is philosophical.
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triumphguy
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Consider how the sign of God’s covenant with Noah was the rainbow and that covenant was established after the world had been cleansed of the sin that had multiplied and consumed the world. Now the rainbow has been adopted as a symbol of that consuming sin which lead to the world’s destruction. One could venture to think that the evil one twisted and perverted the rainbow’s symbolism but perhaps it is quite apropos?
Can you cite a more famous example of same-sex marriage in history?
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Possibly the Emperor Caligula? Though he was also incestuous with his sister.**
Coming from someone who makes thread after thread and posts excessively on your “doctrine” and then asserts that the Catholic Church is obsessed with it
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JimG
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In any case, the idea of sexual “orientation” would be a foreign concept to Nero. He would have no problem with any sort of sexual act, to be sure. But “sexual orientation” is a modern concept, which has been a pernicious trap for many.
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Kenny_Kamel
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Nero is not only famous for his SSM:
“[A]ccording to historical accounts, [Nero] ordered his first wife, Octavia, killed; kicked his second wife, Poppaea, to death when she was pregnant; saw to the murder of his mother, Agrippina the Younger (possibly after sleeping with her); perhaps also murdered his stepbrother, Britannicus; instructed his mentor Seneca to commit suicide (which he solemnly did); castrated and then married a teenage boy; presided over the wholesale
arson of Rome in A.D. 64 and then shifted the blame to a host of Christians (including Saints Peter and Paul), who were rounded up and beheaded or crucified and set aflame so as to illuminate an imperial festival.”
Read more at godfatherpolitics.com/22050/justice-scalia-asks-why-no-ancient-greek-gay-marriages/#GWBlB4chylClRrq
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