Saint Paul and Islam

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That’s just a bunch of hooey.

1 Timothy 2:11-12 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
This is in respect to church and the liturgy. Women are also commanded to cover their heads. But this is not applicable to every day activity. You need to read the entire passage and not simply pick and choose too quickly.
 
That’s just a bunch of hooey.

1 Timothy 2:11-12 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
reason: chaos created in the churches Paul is adressing in his letters.

Paul praised women preachers.
 
This is in respect to church and the liturgy. Women are also commanded to cover their heads. But this is not applicable to every day activity. You need to read the entire passage and not simply pick and choose too quickly.
Women were still told to be subordinate to men so your claim that women are 100% equal to men in Christianity is false.

Ephesians 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
 
They didn’t believe he was from God.
yet did not call Him blasphemer on every occasion. Sometimes they cried blasphemy , sometimes they wondered at the power of His authority, sometimes they just left, sometimes they accused Him of magic…different responses to different contexts…If Jesus said I AM the Alpha and Omega, they must surely shout blasphemy…it has nothing to do with being a false Messiah anymore, it has to do with pure explicit blasphemy.
 
They didn’t believe he was from God, they thought he was crafty from the power of Satan, and that his claims to be from God were false and therefore blasphemy.
If they really thought he was from God they wouldn’t have rejected him, Jews aren’t stupid. Just mislead.
Matthew 9:34 But the Pharisees said, He casteth out devils through the prince of the devils.
Didn’t they have to PROVE that Jesus was not from God but from Satan before they would be allowed to cast stones at him? Just thinking that somebody is from Satan doesn’t prove that this somebody actually is! Didn’t the Jewish authorities have to make sure beyond a doubt that it is before declaring that Jesus uttered a blasphemy? Didn’t they know their Torah well enough? How then did they happen to rule over Israel on religious and moral life, if they didn’t? Like you said, Jews are not stupid, as they were not then. On the contrary! Something in what Jesus said must have seemed so obviously a blasphemy in their eyes, mustn’t it?
 
He is uttering about Himself the words God uttered about Himself as if they are One or equal. Pure blasphemy…
Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
the Alpha and Omega , the Judge, the searcher of hearts and minds is speaking…do not forget this.
 
Women were still told to be subordinate to men so your claim that women are 100% equal to men in Christianity is false.

Ephesians 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
First, you don’t seem to have a grasp of the concept of equality. Christianity does not say men can bear children or that women can hold the priesthood. These are “ROLES” which are clearly defined. In a marriage, there are clearly defined roles as well: Husband and Wife. They are EQUAL in responsibility and power, but at the HEAD is the husband (any husband who is physically able should provide for his family unless both husband and wife agree otherwise). And being the HEAD does not make a woman unequal in the eyes of God. Nor does it diminish her mental capacity as stated in the Qur’an. Nor does it mean she is worth less inherritance as stated in the Qur’an. It simply means she has a definied role in the context of marriage. And if she never gets married (like many women)? Then this is a non-issue.

Some women are not willing to take this role, and so they choose other paths (i.e. to be nuns, or some other calling). That does not mean they are unequal or somehow less than a woman who subits to her husband as head of the family. I hope this is clear now.

The most telling part of the passage (which you conveniently omit…AGAIN), is here:

“In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church— 30for we are members of his body. 31"For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”[c] 32This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband."
 
Women were still told to be subordinate to men so your claim that women are 100% equal to men in Christianity is false.

Ephesians 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
Yes, and the message was twofold: Woman, submit to your husband; husband, love your wife and sacrifice yourself for her: in the Lord, this is what’s beautiful! So, it’s not just the woman toward her man, but also the man toward his woman. Very mutual indeed…
 
yet did not call Him blasphemer on every occasion. Sometimes they cried blasphemy , sometimes they wondered at the power of His authority, sometimes they just left, sometimes they accused Him of magic…different responses to different contexts…If Jesus said I AM the Alpha and Omega, they must surely shout blasphemy…it has nothing to do with being a false Messiah anymore, it has to do with pure explicit blasphemy.
They stoned Stephen for for blasphemy of just SAYING he saw Jesus sitting at God’s right hand.

So there you go, even just that mere claim that Jesus is Messiah with God was regarded as blasphemy. So what you say is no proof they charged Jesus with blasphemy for saying he is God. They did it because he said he is a man from God, and they didn’t believe him, not Stephen either.

Acts 6:9-11 Then there arose certain of the synagogue, which is called the synagogue of the Libertines, and Cyrenians, and Alexandrians, and of them of Cilicia and of Asia, disputing with Stephen. And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the spirit by which he spake. Then they suborned men, which said, We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses, and against God.

Acts 7:56-59 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord, And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man’s feet, whose name was Saul. And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
 
Yes, and the message was twofold: Woman, submit to your husband; husband, love your wife and sacrifice yourself for her: in the Lord, this is what’s beautiful! So, it’s not just the woman toward her man, but also the man toward his woman. Very mutual indeed…
Except for the part of women having to be quiet in church.
 
Didn’t they have to PROVE that Jesus was not from God but from Satan before they would be allowed to cast stones at him? Just thinking that somebody is from Satan doesn’t prove that this somebody actually is! Didn’t the Jewish authorities have to make sure beyond a doubt that it is before declaring that Jesus uttered a blasphemy? Didn’t they know their Torah well enough? How then did they happen to rule over Israel on religious and moral life, if they didn’t? Like you said, Jews are not stupid, as they were not then. On the contrary! Something in what Jesus said must have seemed so obviously a blasphemy in their eyes, mustn’t it?
Apparently they had enough proof to charge Jesus, for them. Maybe not for you since hindsight is 20/20. Like I said they stoned Stephen for just repeating what Jesus said so the blasphemy was for being a false prophet, not because Jesus or Stephen claimed to be God.
 
Christianity does not say men can bear children or that women can hold the priesthood.
inJESUS said “Paul praised women preachers” so I think you two have a contradiction. So you guys don’t even agree amongst yourselves.
 
inJESUS said “Paul praised women preachers” so I think you two have a contradiction. So you guys don’t even agree amongst yourselves.
We agree. You just don’t know what you are talking about. A preacher is NOT a priest. Two entirely separate concepts.
 
Except for the part of women having to be quiet in church.
Like Jean de la Fontaine once said in a fable, “I know many men who, on this particular point, are women!” Do you think that men didn’t have to be quiet in church, too?
 
Apparently they had enough proof to charge Jesus, for them. Maybe not for you since hindsight is 20/20. Like I said they stoned Stephen for just repeating what Jesus said so the blasphemy was for being a false prophet, not because Jesus or Stephen claimed to be God.
All right! Tell me then: what was blasphemous about what Stephen said about having just seen JESUS sitting at the right hand of God almighty? And again, what was blasphemous in what Jesus answered the High Priest? What is considered a blasphemy in Jewish Law? You can’t tell why?
 
Like Jean de la Fontaine once said in a fable, “I know many men who, on this particular point, are women!” Do you think that men didn’t have to be quiet in church, too?
Who is going to do the teaching, animals?
 
All right! Tell me then: what was blasphemous about what Stephen said about having just seen JESUS sitting at the right hand of God almighty? And again, what was blasphemous in what Jesus answered the High Priest? What is considered a blasphemy in Jewish Law? You can’t tell why?
Blasphemy is telling a lie about God, in these cases, saying that Jesus was a man from God.
 
Apparently they had enough proof to charge Jesus, for them. Maybe not for you since hindsight is 20/20. Like I said they stoned Stephen for just repeating what Jesus said so the blasphemy was for being a false prophet, not because Jesus or Stephen claimed to be God.
And what was their proof that Jesus actually was a false prophet? They were not able to PROVE that he casted demons through the prince of the demons…
 
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