You know what the NT says, everything they said was building a case against him. Obviously for us they didn’t have real proof that Jesus and Stephen were lying, but it was good enough for ones who accused them.
a preacher is anyone who preaches the gospel vocally. There are women preachers throughout the church who preach the gospel. Most CCD teachers I have ever met are women. But we do not have any “preachers” (male or female) at all during our liturgy. We have a sacramental priests who give a reading of the gospel and a homily.
Now I think I see your point, but still the men in the pews have to be quiet, no?
We haven’t always had women doing the first reading!
Yeah but you aren’t going to be having women popes any time soon right? So there is still some segregation there in RCC, if not all of Christianity.
When Stephen said he saw Jesus WITH God, that pushed them over the edge to stone him. If both Jesus and Stephen said Jesus IS God I would be forced to agree with you, but IS and WITH aren’t the same thing. So your argument is based on an error.
Funny, heh? Until Jesus answered the High Priest’s question, they DID NOT have a case against Jesus. But then, Jesus’ statement apparently was an obvious proof in their eyes. For all their prejudices against Jesus, they finally got it from the man himself! So, it’s really from his statement, and this statement alone, that they got proof of his “blasphemy”. So, again, I’m asking you: What in that statement itself was so obviously a blasphemy in the eyes of those present. Many said it loud, the others remained silent. So it must have been very significant! What was it, then (if you can answer me, of course)? If you don’t know, you are allowed to say so, you know…
The fact that Jesus was arrested means they already had a case against him based on various things like breaking Sabbath, enocouraging rebellion against Caesar, etc.
you did not understand my argument in the first place. I do not say they killed Jesus only because He claimed to be God, and they surely did not kill Stephen for claiming to be God, but for blasphemy against Moses and God. If they want someone dead, they can kill for any reason, be it correct or not but this does not mean that what Jesus uttered is not truly blasphemous.
Well, priests are not rabbis! In Christianity, the priest acts “in persona Christi”. Then, Jesus the Messiah (or Christ) happens to be a male man. Therefore, the priest acting “in persona Christi” has to be a male also! Why were there no women among the Israelite priests, if I may ask? And why did it have to be only Aaron and his descendants?
No, but you’ve yet to prove that Jesus claimed to be God. Not with I AM, even the blind man used that phrase, and Jesus was talking about being Melchizedek as I’ve shown. Not with standing next to God, since next to and IS is not the same. Not with claiming to be a prophet acting like a God over them.
Ok, so there is segregation still in RCC, where you used the argument earlier that there are no men or women in Christ, all are one. Maybe to a lesser degree than in some sects of Islam, in some cultural regions where women would be treated that way anyway without Islam.
Who can stand next to God, at His right hand? Why next to God rather than in front of Him like a subaltern? Who can stand next to God other than His… equal?
Where are the priests in Judaism today?
Anyone God wants, Jesus and all the other faithful sitting in thrones with and next to God. But that doesn’t mean they are all Gods with God, they are still human servants of God.
They don’t really have any, just preachers in the Rabbis. If you mean in the sense of offering sacrifices for the people.
They had nothing solid before Jesus’ reply, remember!
How could Jesus even say that if he didn’t have the authority to do so? And how did he get to have his own throne? You don’t have a statement like that from any Prophet of Israel, even from Moses…