Saint Paul and Islam

[FaithofAbraham]

FoA, you are a man of conviction. As your faith journey continues, I wish you the best.

You too.

 

[R_not]

So then you are just assuming. I bet you are wrong.

Like I have stated so often - read the koran for yourself - it is laced with telling muslims to do violence against us.

surah 6, surah 8, surah 9 and others.

For someone who says they have read the koran and the Bible - it certainly doesn’t seem like it. But, it does sound like you might be a person who has blindly followed a muslim that was practicing taqiyya/kithman (deception to smooth over islam).

muslims hope that we don’t know what islam is all about. When we start figuring it out - they start getting their bullies, like CAIR (a saudi funded organization to push wahabbism and also a front to hamas in the USA), to start suing people and organizations to censor anything that is against islam.

 

[Lapell]

go read it for yourself. I posted before that site - a ‘blogging the koran’ website so all you had to do is read the koran, and then if you need clarification just read the ‘blogging the koran’. Then the other post was not to explain mushrikin - it was to explain what muslims consider dirty - and we infidels rate lower than pigs and feces. I explained in a later post.

So you don’t accept Deusdonat’s word on that word?

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If I need to fight them about their books and litterature, maybe. But I prefer to answer when they attack my faith and my Church, as far as I am concerned. Besides, although I appreciate your warnings… I don’t like to generalise and speak as though every Muslim is nasty to the core… I’d be interested about the history of their evolution throughout the years… And like I said elsewhere, I am sure that some of the followers of Muhammad may have had their hands on how the new religion was to be understood by Muslims so that the things wrong might be said to be acceptable in the Koran by some nasty factions when maybe it was just made it up by their spiritual leaders, inspired by some early followers I was referring to!
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[Lapell]

None really. I finally decided not to identify as a Muslim anymore after a few years of doing it, just as I did with being Christian. All their religions are too corrupt and I get tired of defending them, I’d rather discuss my own personal beliefs without theirs muddying the water.

So I’m just solo with the Quran and Bible. I might start observing more Torah like a Messianic Jew, I’m feeling drawn to do that more and more as time goes on.

FoA, I too wish you the best. Have a very good journey toward your God. God bless you!

 

[R_not]

What I have been saying is that every place that muslims migrate to the jihadists follow right behind. read, ‘A Never Ending War’ This book will tell you their tactic with Europe and us. It is immigration, building up their numbers, demands, violence, infiltrate our organizations, seeminly control the jihadists, build up their numbers, more demands, more infiltrations until they are so intertwined in our lives and forcing us to tolerate them while they do not to the same to us - we will be in the same mess that Europe is finding itself in now. They cannot fight us militarily so they are doing it by immigration and by their women’s bellies.

Their goal of getting muslims elected into government offices has already started. With one in Congress and having at their hands many of our top secret docs - it seems that Keith Ellison is doing just what CAIR and the saudis are hoping that a good muslim will do. Read the article - and read down where Ellison was in contact with some questionable organizations. Why would he do such a thing? With him having available our countries’ secrets

something to think about when thinking of the moderates:
//www.jihadwatch.org/archives/010776.php

jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/009904.php

jihadwatch.org/archives/004034.php

sheikhharon.com/No%20Radical,%20No%20Moderate,%20Just%20Muslim.htm

Thinking the muslims are ok is what has brought India 3 jihads that decimated their civilization, art, and slaughter over the centuries and they just declared another jihad last year. We see that conceding land doesn’t stop them either - they gave up Pakistan and now the muslims are after Kashmir - and more.

The muslims slaughter peaceful Christian Africans - these Christians had no thought to arm themselves. Much to their dismay and dead now, and the slaughter still continues.

‘No muslim should be killed for killing (a disbeliever).’ Hadith Sahih al-Bukhari, vol1, book3, no. 111

Who is the bigger threat? A dishonest ‘moderate’ or an honest jihadist?

amilimani.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=85&Itemid=2

 

[Booklover]

Like I have stated so often - read the koran for yourself - it is laced with telling muslims to do violence against 'us.

surah 6, surah 8, surah 9 and others.

For someone who says they have read the koran and the Bible - it certainly doesn’t seem like it. But, it does sound like you might be a person who has blindly followed a muslim that was practicing taqiyya/kithman (deception to smooth over islam).

muslims hope that we don’t know what islam is all about. When we start figuring it out - they start getting their bullies, like CAIR (a saudi funded organization to push wahabbism and also a front to hamas in the USA), to start suing people and organizations to censor anything that is against islam.

Here’s a good example of taqqiya. Read this tongue in cheek article by ex-Muslim Ayesha Ahmed regarding teaching in Islamic schools based on books that were actually found in the King Fahad Academy in England that state that Jews are monkeys, Christians are pigs, and only Muslims will go to to heaven, and then watch the YouTube video where the director of the academy makes the usual “out of context” charge or that “it can only be interpreted in Arabic” nonsense.

Vickie

 

[Booklover]

What I have been saying is that every place that muslims migrate to the jihadists follow right behind. read, ‘A Never Ending War’ This book will tell you their tactic with Europe and us. It is immigration, building up their numbers, demands, violence, infiltrate our organizations, seeminly control the jihadists, build up their numbers, more demands, more infiltrations until they are so intertwined in our lives and forcing us to tolerate them while they do not to the same to us - we will be in the same mess that Europe is finding itself in now. They cannot fight us militarily so they are doing it by immigration and by their women’s bellies.

Their goal of getting muslims elected into government offices has already started. With one in Congress and having at their hands many of our top secret docs - it seems that Keith Ellison is doing just what CAIR and the saudis are hoping that a good muslim will do. Read the article - and read down where Ellison was in contact with some questionable organizations. Why would he do such a thing? With him having available our countries’ secrets

something to think about when thinking of the moderates:
//www.jihadwatch.org/archives/010776.php

jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/009904.php

jihadwatch.org/archives/004034.php

sheikhharon.com/No%20Radical,%20No%20Moderate,%20Just%20Muslim.htm

Thinking the muslims are ok is what has brought India 3 jihads that decimated their civilization, art, and slaughter over the centuries and they just declared another jihad last year. We see that conceding land doesn’t stop them either - they gave up Pakistan and now the muslims are after Kashmir - and more.

The muslims slaughter peaceful Christian Africans - these Christians had no thought to arm themselves. Much to their dismay and dead now, and the slaughter still continues.

‘No muslim should be killed for killing (a disbeliever).’ Hadith Sahih al-Bukhari, vol1, book3, no. 111

Who is the bigger threat? A dishonest ‘moderate’ or an honest jihadist?

amilimani.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=85&Itemid=2

Iranian ex-Muslim Amil Imani stated:

There is no need to belabor the point that Islam is not, and has never been, a religion of peace. Islamism has set a new record for brutality, contrary to the contention that there is no reason to worry about it. Jihadist Wahabism’s tentacles are reaching out from its cradle in Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf Arab Emirates. And murderous Shiism, led by the Islamic terrorist state in Iran, is racing to arm itself with the ultimate weapon, and is doing whatever it can to ensnare the world into Islam’s nation, the Ummeh.

and:

In any event, truth is sacrificed and the public continues to cling to the false notion that Islam is a peaceful religion. People who dare to disclose the true nature of Islam run the risk of being castigated as a bigot and a hatemonger.

Political Islam 1

Political Islam 2

Summary

Political Islam has annihilated every culture it has invaded or immigrated to. The total time for annihilation takes centuries, but once Islam is ascendant it never fails. The host culture disappears and becomes extinct.

We must learn the doctrine of political Islam to survive. The doctrine is very clear that all forms of force and persuasion may and must be used to conquer us. Islam is a self-declared enemy of all unbelievers. The brilliant Chinese philosopher of war, Sun Tsu, had the dictum—know the enemy. We must know the doctrine of our enemy or be annihilated.

Or put another way: if we do not learn the doctrine of political Islam, our civilization will be annihilated just as Egypt’s Coptic civilization was annihilated.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

Like I have stated so often - read the koran for yourself - it is laced with telling muslims to do violence against us.

surah 6, surah 8, surah 9 and others.

For someone who says they have read the koran and the Bible - it certainly doesn’t seem like it. But, it does sound like you might be a person who has blindly followed a muslim that was practicing taqiyya/kithman (deception to smooth over islam).

muslims hope that we don’t know what islam is all about. When we start figuring it out - they start getting their bullies, like CAIR (a saudi funded organization to push wahabbism and also a front to hamas in the USA), to start suing people and organizations to censor anything that is against islam.

No I just bought a Quran twenty years ago and started reading it. To fulfill Ishmael’s promise God wanted to wipe out the pagan Arabs and enforce monotheism, just as He did for Isaac’s promise in Canaan. It’s all part of the plan.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

FoA, I too wish you the best. Have a very good journey toward your God. God bless you!

You too.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

Here’s a good example of taqqiya. Read this tongue in cheek article by ex-Muslim Ayesha Ahmed regarding teaching in Islamic schools based on books that were actually found in the King Fahad Academy in England that state that Jews are monkeys, Christians are pigs, and only Muslims will go to to heaven, and then watch the YouTube video where the director of the academy makes the usual “out of context” charge or that “it can only be interpreted in Arabic” nonsense.

Vickie

A lot of Jews are like monkeys who ape the Gentiles and take up their ways against God, most badly with atheism rampant among Jews. Some Christians are like pigs who eat the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, and any bit of pagan trash they find in the trough.

Some Pharisees were like vipers too. And Gentiles who ate the trash of paganism were like dogs.

None of that refers to all the faithful, only those who stray.

You want a double standard Booklover.

 

[Lapell]

Because of wrong deeds by people called Christians (including Catholics) it may seem that it is Christianity that is corrupt… Christianity often wasn’t tried and found wrong. As G.K. Chesterton puts it, “it was found difficult and left untried”… must I add: even by those from within? So critics against some Catholic people might be right, but when implying it’s Christianity itself that is wrong, they are very wrong, however sincerely they say it.

 

[planten]

Because of wrong deeds by people called Christians (including Catholics) it may seem that it is Christianity that is corrupt… Christianity often wasn’t tried and found wrong. As G.K. Chesterton puts it, “it was found difficult and left untried”… must I add: even by those from within? So critics against some Catholic people might be right, but when implying it’s Christianity itself that is wrong, they are very wrong, however sincerely they say it.

The origin of all religions has been good and truth. i.e. Judaism, christianity, islam and budhism, hinduism, all. With the lapse of time, the people corrupted the religions. Look at the Faith of Abraham. Abraham was faithful and strict monotheist (unitarian). He had a son Ishmael who was settled in Arabia. With the passage of time, the children of Ishmael became pagans (idolators).

That is a good example. The Jews came out of Egypt and the lesson given to them was strict monotheism.But we see in bible OT that many of the Jewish kings practiced idolatory.

 

[Lapell]

The origin of all religions has been good and truth. i.e. Judaism, christianity, islam and budhism, hinduism, all. With the lapse of time, the people corrupted the religions. Look at the Faith of Abraham. Abraham was faithful and strict monotheist (unitarian). He had a son Ishmael who was settled in Arabia. With the passage of time, the children of Ishmael became pagans (idolators).

That is a good example. The Jews came out of Egypt and the lesson given to them was strict monotheism.But we see in bible OT that many of the Jewish kings practiced idolatory.

In my view, if somebody corrupt uses religion as an excuse for his bad behavior, but the teachings of that religion doesn’t confirm him (or her), it does NOT demonstrate that the religion in question is corrupt! Judaism prohibits idolatry, isn’t it? If the kings of Israel however practiced idolatry, it’s not enough hence to call Judaism a corrupt religion! It’s like a man who would throw himself down from the top of the Empire State Building to defy the law of gravity. Not only he won’t succeed (he will fall down confirming that law rather than proving it wrong), but he will be seriously wronded and probably be killed! All your exaple shows is that Judaism was found very difficult and left untried by many kings.

 

[Lapell]

Isn’t it?:yup:

 

[R_not]

The origin of all religions has been good and truth. i.e. Judaism, christianity, islam and budhism, hinduism, all. With the lapse of time, the people corrupted the religions.

I don’t agree with you that islam was started good and truthful. mohammed himself started the conversion by the sword. he killed, tortured, enslaved, raped, stole, and lied - and it has all been carried forward by his followers intact.

The only ones hoping that it changes are us Westerners. We are hoping the lapse of time will make it less violent - it is not happening, in fact, it is even more so with less radical, seemingly more Democratic countries that have a majority of muslims in it are becoming radicalized.

And for us they know they cannot take us militarily so they are doing what they are successfully achieving in Europe - immigration, increased demands, increase violence, they want to infiltrate our organizations and have a goal of getting at least 7,000 muslims into our government offices - city, state and federal - in 10 years. Their goal is to have us islamicized by 2050. And while we go into a ‘slumber’ about it - they just keep on. When they are in our society so much so - like tentacles - we will have a harder time to fight against them. They will have brainwashed our children as they are starting to do now.

They have successfully gotten the 5 tenents of islam, and some farce about mohammed in our grade/high schools history books. They are totally infitrated in our Universities - it is so easy since they get monies from the saudis and the saudis expect appeasement in return.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Please give for me the name of just one person who was forced, by Muhammad, to convert “by the sword.”

Just one will do.

a goal of getting at least 7,000 muslims into our government offices - city, state and federal - in 10 years.

ROFL. Where did you dig that up?

Islamicized… Muslims… the 21st century term for Soviets? hehe.

Muslims, like Catholics and Jews, have the right as citizens of the United States to participate in government. There’s nothing sinister about it. In fact, I would imagine Catholics to be more sympathetic to Muslims, considering the treatment Catholics were given for a long time in the political process. Weren’t Americans afraid that Kennedy with Kennedy, the US would fall under the yoke of the Vatican? Muslims, as you might not know, appreciate the general diversity and religious tolerance available in the United States…

The only thing to fear, I think, is bigots who wish to strip Americans of their essential rights.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

Please give for me the name of just one person who was forced, by Muhammad, to convert “by the sword.”

Just one will do.

ROFL. Where did you dig that up?

But there is no concern that head of Homeland Security is a Jew who rejects Jesus.

 

[Booklover]

Please give for me the name of just one person who was forced, by Muhammad, to convert “by the sword.”

Just one will do.

ROFL. Where did you dig that up?

Islamicized… Muslims… the 21st century term for Soviets? hehe.

Muslims, like Catholics and Jews, have the right as citizens of the United States to participate in government. There’s nothing sinister about it. In fact, I would imagine Catholics to be more sympathetic to Muslims, considering the treatment Catholics were given for a long time in the political process. Weren’t Americans afraid that Kennedy with Kennedy, the US would fall under the yoke of the Vatican? Muslims, as you might not know, appreciate the general diversity and religious tolerance available in the United States…

Keep talking! You speak taqqiya so well! What about the rights that are denied by Muslims to non-Muslim in Muslim countries?



Vickie

 

[Sister_Amy]

What is taqqiyah?

When Muslims oppress anyone, they are in violation of God’s commandments. Anyone. Whether they oppress Muslims, Christians, Jews, or anyone else. And some do oppress Muslims, Christians, Jews, and everyone else. But like I said–only in violation of God’s commandments. Injustice and oppression have been forbidden.

 

[Booklover]

What is taqqiyah?

Lying in Islam

When Muslims oppress anyone, they are in violation of God’s commandments. Anyone. Whether they oppress Muslims, Christians, Jews, or anyone else. And some do oppress Muslims, Christians, Jews, and everyone else. But like I said–only in violation of God’s commandments. Injustice and oppression have been forbidden.

This is a load of bull, because Muslims don’t regard the unbelievers as their equals!