Saint Paul and Islam

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Yes it is so hard for you to acknowledge the truth. Lying is forbidden in Islam is a general rule. But apparently what some people have done, who wish to smear Islam, is suggest that Muslims are allowed in all cases to distort the truth. That in itself is a lie. And, Vickie, I think you know that. I think you know that they are lying about Islam, but it is convenient for you to believe that I am lying instead.

There is an ayah in Surah Al-Mumtahinah which tells Muslims to treat non-Muslims (who are not fighting) with kindness and justice. In fact, the same word is used, regarding treatment of non-Muslims as is used in the Qur’an for treatment of parents.

With kindness, righteousness, and justice. That is what THE QUR’AN says. On the other hand, there is no proof for what you say in the Qur’an. Only proof for what I say. So who is telling the truth about Islam, and who is the liar?

Do yourself a favor and read the Qur’an–the hatred you spew in lieu of knowledge is not very becoming.
 
Yes it is so hard for you to acknowledge the truth. Lying is forbidden in Islam is a general rule. But apparently what some people have done, who wish to smear Islam, is suggest that Muslims are allowed in all cases to distort the truth. That in itself is a lie. And, Vickie, I think you know that. I think you know that they are lying about Islam, but it is convenient for you to believe that I am lying instead.

There is an ayah in Surah Al-Mumtahinah which tells Muslims to treat non-Muslims (who are not fighting) with kindness and justice. In fact, the same word is used, regarding treatment of non-Muslims as is used in the Qur’an for treatment of parents.

With kindness, righteousness, and justice. That is what THE QUR’AN says. On the other hand, there is no proof for what you say in the Qur’an. Only proof for what I say. So who is telling the truth about Islam, and who is the liar?

Do yourself a favor and read the Qur’an–the hatred you spew in lieu of knowledge is not very becoming.
Here’s a list of intolerant teachings in the Quran.

Vickie
 
I guess God knows who is telling the truth, so I’d prefer to leave the benefit of the doubt.🤷
Booklover, How are you so sure Muhammad did all the things you say he did? Just from blogs of opinion? You then don’t agree with Deusdonat about them? (I think it’s in post #501)
 
I guess God knows who is telling the truth, so I’d prefer to leave the benefit of the doubt.🤷
Booklover, How are you so sure Muhammad did all the things you say he did? Just from blogs of opinion? You then don’t agree with Deusdonat about them? (I think it’s in post #501)
Sorry! Wrong post again! But I think it’s he who tried to warn us against some blogs consulted by R_not being merely opinions.
 
Please give for me the name of just one person who was forced, by Muhammad, to convert “by the sword.”

Just one will do.

ROFL. Where did you dig that up?

Islamicized… Muslims… the 21st century term for Soviets? hehe.

Muslims, like Catholics and Jews, have the right as citizens of the United States to participate in government. There’s nothing sinister about it. In fact, I would imagine Catholics to be more sympathetic to Muslims, considering the treatment Catholics were given for a long time in the political process. Weren’t Americans afraid that Kennedy with Kennedy, the US would fall under the yoke of the Vatican? Muslims, as you might not know, appreciate the general diversity and religious tolerance available in the United States…

The only thing to fear, I think, is bigots who wish to strip Americans of their essential rights.
Are you kidding?

the whole Quraysh tribe - after mohammed had all the men and boys ‘who had hair’ beheaded was the first battle mohammed started. After that he had many battles and realized that it might be better to keep them alive so they can give them things, like taxes, and other commodities. So, what he did when before he attacked a people he would give them the option to convert to islam - or be killed or taken as slaves (if they were left alive - mostly he let the women and children live so as to enslave them and he would pass them around as booty to himself and his men).

Read ‘The Life and Religion of mohammed’. CAIR has successfully gotten it censored on some websites, but you can still find it on the web. muslims say no one can speak against islam, the prophet or allah - so they have been successfully censoring things like that.

Now why should we be more sympathetic to muslims when they are slaughtering our brothers and sisters in Africa, Eastern Europe, Southeast Asia, etc?? In Bosnia/Kosovo they have either destroyed or taken our churches as their mosques. They have done the same thing everywhere they have become dominant.

This is what muslims hope for - sympathisers like you who are ignorant of their history - both past and present. And they will use our laws against us. You are hoping that is what they do as what you have stated - but that is not what their intentions are.

It is not what is in OUR heads - it is what is in THEIR heads. It is THEIR stated goals - to take us by 2050, to make islam the dominate ‘religion’ (it is a political movement more so than a religion), and the only thing they recognize is death, conversion or subjugation (dhimmitude).

All I got to say is READ. Read the book I suggest - ‘A Never Ending War’, or keep abreast of islamic violence against non-muslims on jihadwatch.org, or read their koran and hadiths.

They don’t give a rip about Mary, and anything else Catholic or Christian. They care about pushing islam. They practice a thing called taqiyya, or kithman, depending on what sect of islam they are. But, what it is ‘deception to smooth over islam’. It is a tactic and even to a point of a muslim denying islam because mohammed said that it was ok just as long as they know what is in their hearts. If it takes the scrutiny off of them as muslims - they can basically say anything we want to hear.

All I got to say is READ. If you think that ignorance will keep you and our children safe - then so be it. It has not kept anyone in this world that muslims have migrated to their lands safe and they hope that we stay ignorant and continue our appeasement of them.

As for the US citizen stuff - well, we have indeed let the wolf in our borders. And we have politicians that continue to let them in. And just keep in mind that everywhere the coy muslimette goes - the jihadist follows. The masses of ‘moderates’ do nothing to stop the violence around the world. There might be individuals that voice what we want to hear - but they either do not have the power nor the desire to really do what it takes to do something or they are practicing taqiyya - telling us what we want to hear.

Here is an example of taqiyya - ‘We muslims do not believe in suicide bombings nor do we believe in the killing of innocents’. Well, here are two problems with the above statement - they only think muslims are the innocents and infidels - all infidels including old people and babies - are not innocent. And they do not believe in suicide unless that person was trying to, or succeeded, in killing infidels.

All I can say again is READ! I have read more books than I care to say but I can say with assuredness is that ignorance will get no one anywhere when dealing with islam.
 
Are you kidding?

So, what he did when before he attacked a people he would give them the option to convert to islam - or be killed or taken as slaves (if they were left alive - mostly he let the women and children live so as to enslave them and he would pass them around as booty to himself and his men).
I forgot to add to the above - the jihadists (basically good muslims following the koran and hadiths) will do the same thing - ask those who they are going to declare a jihad against to convert… or die. Bin Laden did it. We might not hear about it due to censorship either from our government or media.
 
I guess God knows who is telling the truth, so I’d prefer to leave the benefit of the doubt.🤷
Booklover, How are you so sure Muhammad did all the things you say he did? Just from blogs of opinion? You then don’t agree with Deusdonat about them? (I think it’s in post #501)
What are you talking about? I just posted a list of items in the Quran that preach intolerance against unbelievers. Would you please explain what you mean??:confused:

Vickie
 
Are you kidding?

the whole Quraysh tribe - after mohammed had all the men and boys ‘who had hair’ beheaded was the first battle mohammed started. After that he had many battles and realized that it might be better to keep them alive so they can give them things, like taxes, and other commodities. So, what he did when before he attacked a people he would give them the option to convert to islam - or be killed or taken as slaves (if they were left alive - mostly he let the women and children live so as to enslave them and he would pass them around as booty to himself and his men).

Read ‘The Life and Religion of mohammed’. CAIR has successfully gotten it censored on some websites, but you can still find it on the web. muslims say no one can speak against islam, the prophet or allah - so they have been successfully censoring things like that.

Now why should we be more sympathetic to muslims when they are slaughtering our brothers and sisters in Africa, Eastern Europe, Southeast Asia, etc?? In Bosnia/Kosovo they have either destroyed or taken our churches as their mosques. They have done the same thing everywhere they have become dominant.

This is what muslims hope for - sympathisers like you who are ignorant of their history - both past and present. And they will use our laws against us. You are hoping that is what they do as what you have stated - but that is not what their intentions are.
It is not what is in OUR heads - it is what is in THEIR heads. It is THEIR stated goals - to take us by 2050, to make islam the dominate ‘religion’ (it is a political movement more so than a religion), and the only thing they recognize is death, conversion or subjugation (dhimmitude).
They care about pushing islam. They practice a thing called taqiyya, or kithman, depending on what sect of islam they are. But, what it is ‘deception to smooth over islam’. It is a tactic and even to a point of a muslim denying islam because mohammed said that it was ok just as long as they know what is in their hearts. If it takes the scrutiny off of them as muslims - they can basically say anything we want to hear.
All I got to say is READ. If you think that ignorance will keep you and our children safe - then so be it. It has not kept anyone in this world that muslims have migrated to their lands safe and they hope that we stay ignorant and continue our appeasement of them.
The masses of ‘moderates’ do nothing to stop the violence around the world. There might be individuals that voice what we want to hear - but they either do not have the power nor the desire to really do what it takes to do something or they are practicing taqiyya - telling us what we want to hear.
So, R_not, if I understand you well, you’re saying that all “moderate Muslims” practice taqiyya, deceiving the people. You then assume they ALL consciensciously go deceiving the people?
 
What are you talking about? I just posted a list of items in the Quran that preach intolerance against unbelievers. Would you please explain what you mean??:confused:

Vickie
Well, where do you take all that? From blogs?
 
I forgot to add to the above - the jihadists (basically good muslims following the koran and hadiths) will do the same thing - ask those who they are going to declare a jihad against to convert… or die. Bin Laden did it. We might not hear about it due to censorship either from our government or media.
R_not, is censorship applied only when things are thought not to be true?
 
The leaders of Mecca were plotting to assassinate Muhammad–and he escaped the night of their plan, and he lived. He went to Medina for a decade. And after 10 years, he “conquered” Mecca.

The people of Mecca were NOT forced to convert by the sword (as nobody was in the lifetime of Muhammad). They were allowed to leave the city if they did not want to embrace Islam. But it was thenceforth to be a place of worship for Muslims. They were not threatened with death, but they converted to Islam anyway.
 
So, R_not, if I understand you well, you’re saying that all “moderate Muslims” practice taqiyya, deceiving the people. You then assume they ALL consciensciously go deceiving the people?
There might be individuals out there that do not - but yes, most ‘moderates’ do decieve us by telling us what we want to hear about islam. They know that there are many ignorant ones out there, many who just cannot believe that a religion could be so violent and that a prophet could be so disgusting - they ignore the actions of muslims around this globe actively carrying on jihad (murdering, torturing and enslaving) non-muslims around this globe.

I will give all this website so maybe they can wake up to what islam is all about to all non-muslims:

thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

Then maybe they might want to crack open some books on its violent history! jihadwatch.org is also a good place to stay updated on muslim’s jihad against us. There are other websites that CAIR hasn’t been able to shut down.
 
The leaders of Mecca were plotting to assassinate Muhammad–and he escaped the night of their plan, and he lived. He went to Medina for a decade. And after 10 years, he “conquered” Mecca.

The people of Mecca were NOT forced to convert by the sword (as nobody was in the lifetime of Muhammad). They were allowed to leave the city if they did not want to embrace Islam. But it was thenceforth to be a place of worship for Muslims. They were not threatened with death, but they converted to Islam anyway.
And the word of one who hasn’t read a thing about it!

Here read this just for what they do around this globe for this year (gee, take note that we are only 2 months into this year and all the jihads against non-muslims) and there are links for past years.

I can only try to give people a clue, suggested readings (and some of these books are not light reading):
From Time Immemorial
The Life and Religion of mohammed
The Sword of the prophet, islam
The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam
The Never Ending War
They Just Don’t Get It
Because They Hate
Now They Call Me Infidel
Legacy of Jihad
While Europe Slept
Eurasia
Myth of Islamic Tolerance
The REvenge of the Prophet
koran and hadiths
Princes of Darkness

All those who were captured in battle and enslaved - many of those converted or else lived the life of a slave. Many who chose subjugation (dhimmitude) ended out converting, or leaving, in order to live without the threat of death, torture, daily humiliation (for they could not even lift their hands against a muslim child - any muslim could do anything against them).

You discount so many people in your statement. To ignore the daily slaughter of what they do today just to take some word of a muslim who is more worried about their image than stopping this slaughter. Just because you will not read.
 
And the word of one who hasn’t read a thing about it!

Here read this just for what they do around this globe for this year (gee, take note that we are only 2 months into this year and all the jihads against non-muslims) and there are links for past years.

I can only try to give people a clue, suggested readings (and some of these books are not light reading):
From Time Immemorial
The Life and Religion of mohammed
The Sword of the prophet, islam
The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam
The Never Ending War
They Just Don’t Get It
Because They Hate
Now They Call Me Infidel
Legacy of Jihad
While Europe Slept
Eurasia
Myth of Islamic Tolerance
The REvenge of the Prophet
koran and hadiths
Princes of Darkness

All those who were captured in battle and enslaved - many of those converted or else lived the life of a slave. Many who chose subjugation (dhimmitude) ended out converting, or leaving, in order to live without the threat of death, torture, daily humiliation (for they could not even lift their hands against a muslim child - any muslim could do anything against them).

You discount so many people in your statement. To ignore the daily slaughter of what they do today just to take some word of a muslim who is more worried about their image than stopping this slaughter. Just because you will not read.
There is no substance in the above post. It is one sided, describing only what the Muslims used to do. Nothing is told about what the opponents (enemies) used to do when they conquerred some Muslim territory. The enemies of muslims used to do worst acts against the captured muslim people.

The Muslims had conditions to treat the slaves well, i.e. to feed him well same as their own food, to clothe the slave same the masters own clothes. The slave could even buy himself free, i.e. buy his freedom by some honorable contract.

Such were not the rules and ways of the non-muslim forces.
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There is no substance in the above post. It is one sided, describing only what the Muslims used to do. Nothing is told about what the opponents (enemies) used to do when they conquerred some Muslim territory. The enemies of muslims used to do worst acts against the captured muslim people.

The Muslims had conditions to treat the slaves well, i.e. to feed him well same as their own food, to clothe the slave same the masters own clothes. The slave could even buy himself free, i.e. buy his freedom by some honorable contract.

Such were not the rules and ways of the non-muslim forces.
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You want to know what they do now - here:

muslim terror attacks
thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

This has this years attacks against non-muslims and there are links to previous years.

It is funny that you think that everything is in the past for a muslim while muslims can’t get over ‘crusaders’, or use the koran and mohammed’s examples as reasons why they torture and kill non-muslims.

When a muslim says that something I say is invalid then I know I am on the right path.
 
You want to know what they do now - here:

muslim terror attacks
thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

This has this years attacks against non-muslims and there are links to previous years.

It is funny that you think that everything is in the past for a muslim while muslims can’t get over ‘crusaders’, or use the koran and mohammed’s examples as reasons why they torture and kill non-muslims.

When a muslim says that something I say is invalid then I know I am on the right path.
Are you saying that some terror attacks came from Muslim moderates? Are you saying that all Muslims without exception agree with those terror attacks?
 
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