Saint Thomas came to Malabar looking for the lost children of Israel

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Jesus’ mission was to prepare the Jews for the advent of Ahmad or Muhammad the Seal of
Prophets; this was the Gospel or good tidings, in my opinion, that Jesus was assigned by GodAllahYHWH to spread in the Jews.

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So to conclude this part, we can say that Thomas came to Malabar looking for the lost children of Israel, that the initial and the majority of such converts were Jews and Bene-Israelites who were speaking Syriac language and that the local non-Jewish converts were a minority and they were in contact with the Israelites already as to become familiar with the Old Testament concepts.
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nasrani.net/2007/12/30/thomas-malabar-connection-the-jewish-heritage-a-biblical-analytical-approach/

This also shows the purpose of Jesus’ travel to India after when he survived a painful death on Cross, with the grace of GodAllahYHWH.

I love Jesus and Mary

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paarsurrey came to catholic.com looking for evidence of Jesus’ existence in Muslim-Kashmir, India. Unfortunately, not even his fellow Muslims understand his illogical views.
 
paarsurrey said:
Hi

Jesus’ mission was to prepare the Jews for the advent of Ahmad or Muhammad the Seal of
Prophets; this was the Gospel or good tidings, in my opinion, that Jesus was assigned by GodAllahYHWH to spread in the Jews.

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So to conclude this part, we can say that Thomas came to Malabar looking for the lost children of Israel, that the initial and the majority of such converts were Jews and Bene-Israelites who were speaking Syriac language and that the local non-Jewish converts were a minority and they were in contact with the Israelites already as to become familiar with the Old Testament concepts.
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nasrani.net/2007/12/30/thomas-malabar-connection-the-jewish-heritage-a-biblical-analytical-approach/

This also shows the purpose of Jesus’ travel to India after when — with the grace of GodAllahYHWH.

I love Jesus and Mary

Thanks
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NO sir you are WRONG once again Thomas come to preach the gosple of Our Lord Jesus Christand Our Lord die once and for all on the cross,====he survived a painful death on Cross,
statements like this show that you are a fool and very foolish,stop knocking my GOD
 
It was Muhammad’s mistake when he poisoned his followers’ head by telling them Jesus was given a book.
 
The Gospel of St Thomas is gnostic.
IE - it was created by gnostic writers [somewhat mythology]
Later than the times of the Apostles.

I am sorry - since i didnt actually read the link, but if this is his Gospel - its gnostic and a fable.
 
WarriorAngel said:
I am sorry - since i didnt actually read the link, but if this is his Gospel - its gnostic and a fable.
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yet still contradicts Muhammad…all his apocryphic sources (more than 5) actually contradict him but he had to pick and choose to suit his message like all false prophets do.
 
paarsurrey,

The lost tribes of Israel were scattered all over the place, and so there is no reason to think that Jesus chose to travel specifically to India in pursuit of the lost tribes.

For example, there are some Israelites in Ethiopia who also claim to descend from a lost tribe of Israel (tribe of Dan), and yet we don’t see you here on this board claiming that Jesus went down to Ethiopia.

The only reason why you chose India as the place where Jesus supposedly traveled is because your teacher, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, was an Indian, and made up the claim that Jesus survived the crucifixion and came to India.

If you were to use your reason and be consistent and objective with it, you would realize that there is no particular special reason why Jesus would have chosen India instead of any one of the other countries where the lost tribes were scattered.

I love Jesus, and I will defend him against the false teachings of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad who claimed falsely and unreasonably that Jesus survived the crucifixion and traveled to India.

I also love Jesus because He sent His apostles all over the world to convert the lost tribes of Israel and the gentiles to Christianity.

And I love Mary, because Mary is the mother of the crucified and risen Lord Jesus Christ and Son of God the Father.

God bless,

Rony
 
ronyodish said:
paarsurrey,

The lost tribes of Israel were scattered all over the place, and so there is no reason to think that Jesus chose to travel specifically to India in pursuit of the lost tribes.

For example, there are some Israelites in Ethiopia who also claim to descend from a lost tribe of Israel (tribe of Dan), and yet we don’t see you here on this board claiming that Jesus went down to Ethiopia.

The only reason why you chose India as the place where Jesus supposedly traveled is because your teacher, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, was an Indian, and made up the claim that Jesus survived the crucifixion and came to India.

If you were to use your reason and be consistent and objective with it, you would realize that there is no particular special reason why Jesus would have chosen India instead of any one of the other countries where the lost tribes were scattered.

I love Jesus, and I will defend him against the false teachings of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad who claimed falsely and unreasonably that Jesus survived the crucifixion and traveled to India.

I also love Jesus because He sent His apostles all over the world to convert the lost tribes of Israel and the gentiles to Christianity.

And I love Mary, because Mary is the mother of the crucified and risen Lord Jesus Christ and Son of God the Father.

God bless,

Rony
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Hi

The following quote is from a Christian/Catholic/Nasrani website followers of Saint Thomas.
Written by Josephgpal on Sunday, December 30, 2007 10:57 - Read 3141 times , 5 so far today - 97 Comments
Thomas-Malabar Connection & The Jewish Heritage, A Biblical & Analytical Approach

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So to conclude this part, we can say that Thomas came to Malabar looking for the lost children of Israel, that the initial and the majority of such converts were Jews and Bene-Israelites who were speaking Syriac language and that the local non-Jewish converts were a minority and they were in contact with the Israelites already as to become familiar with the Old Testament concepts.
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nasrani.net/2007/12/30/thomas…ical-approach/

I love Jesus

Thanks
 
cathopologist said:
paarsurrey came to catholic.com looking for evidence of Jesus’ existence in Muslim-Kashmir, India. Unfortunately, not even his fellow Muslims understand his illogical views.
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Let him be. His illogical views are a window to an inquisitive mind looking for truth. If enough people feed him truth and he may just believe it.

History tells us that St. Thomas evangelized India and may have pushed on into China. What gospel he brought with him is not clear but what is clear is that the Jewish Christian communities he founded retained their identity both Jewish and Christian into modern times. These Malabar-Christians have remained so even with Islam’s encroachment into India. Christians will not convert to Islam enmass. Islam is just not a rich enough jewel. It doesn’t have anthying new or better to offer. Not a single revalation, no new truth, nothing. Our deep Catholic tradition has existed for 2000 years. We are myriad in rites and languages but we are of one universal faith.
 
paarsurrey said:
Hi

The following quote is from a Christian/Catholic/Nasrani website followers of Saint Thomas.
Written by Josephgpal on Sunday, December 30, 2007 10:57 - Read 3141 times , 5 so far today - 97 Comments
Thomas-Malabar Connection & The Jewish Heritage, A Biblical & Analytical Approach

Quote:

So to conclude this part, we can say that Thomas came to Malabar looking for the lost children of Israel, that the initial and the majority of such converts were Jews and Bene-Israelites who were speaking Syriac language and that the local non-Jewish converts were a minority and they were in contact with the Israelites already as to become familiar with the Old Testament concepts.
Unquote

nasrani.net/2007/12/30/thomas…ical-approach/

I love Jesus

Thanks
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More ranting
 
So to conclude this part, we can say that Thomas came to Malabar looking for the lost children of Israel, that the initial and the majority of such converts were Jews and Bene-Israelites who were speaking Syriac language and that the local non-Jewish converts were a minority and they were in contact with the Israelites already as to become familiar with the Old Testament concepts.
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paarsurrey,

The quote above by Josephgpal is true. St. Thomas did come to Malabar and was looking for Israelites to convert to the Jewish Messiah Jesus the Lord, as well as, any Gentiles who wished to convert as well. In all the communities where the Apostles went, the scattered Israelites were the first ones to receive the Good News of Jesus.

What is not true is your conclusion from his quote. Your conclusion is that Jesus also physically came to India to the Israelites, which is a false claim.

I am an Assyrian-Chaldean Catholic Christian, from Iraq, and the Apostle who brought Christianity to us is St. Thomas and his disciples Sts. Addai, Aggai, and Mari. St. Thomas then went on to India, and even to China. So, you can call me a St. Thomas Catholic Christian as well, if you like 🙂

I love Jesus, the Lord of every human being.

God bless,

Rony
 
These Malabar-Christians have remained so even with Islam’s encroachment into India.
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LUISV,

The favorite cross of the Catholic Church of the East in India, is this one here:

http://hamsa.org/pix/persian-cross-400.jpg

If you see at the bottom of the cross which looks like a bowl, according to an interpretation that I read, this represents the dense cloud of Islam. The luminous Christian cross triumphs over the smoke and confusion of Islam.

Here is another look at it, which is clearer:

(Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.)

God bless,

Rony
 
Rony,

Thank you. I have seen the Cross but I was not aware of its significance. 👍
 
LUISV said:
History tells us that St. Thomas evangelized India and may have pushed on into China. What gospel he brought with him is not clear but what is clear is that the Jewish Christian communities he founded retained their identity both Jewish and Christian into modern times. These Malabar-Christians have remained so even with Islam’s encroachment into India.
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Hi

Even when the Portugese Catholics tried to force them into Catholicism; they preferred to retain their Jewish Christian identity.

Why they also lost the gospel as you have mentioned? Why it is not clear? Perhaps there was none, in my opinion. Do you agree?

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran

Thanks
 
Hi

while making a search on the internet about Saint Thomas, I came across the following website. In case that it might interest you:

buddhistfaith.tripod.com/gospel/

Why was the Gospel of Thomas disqualified from the Christian Bible and eventually outlawed? During the reign of Emperor Constantine around the 4th century C.E., the Roman Empire was looking to reconstitute and solidify its power. The Emperor and the existing power structure chose the Pauline sect of Christianity as the “official” religion, which include the epistles of Paul and the Gospels and books from his disciples that form the present-day New Testament.

Teachings from the Gospel of Thomas and other Nag Hammadi texts were seen as a danger to the developing ecclesiastical and political structure because they rejected the authority of the bishops, priests and deacons. Roman Church father Ignatius warned the Christians to “honor and obey the bishop as you would God.” It is quite easy to see why the church councils did not choose the Gospel of Thomas and other similar texts for their Bible.

As a result, for political reasons these texts were banned and later destroyed for the good of Empire and Church. After all, bishops and priests would lose their power and influence with the common people, if the common people learned that Jesus taught they did not need such religious authority/intermediaries of the Church, bishops and priests, and that the Kingdom is within all and is directly accessible to everyone without them; we all are sons/daughters of God.

buddhistfaith.tripod.com/gospel/

The above might be only an opinion; but it might help one to form one’s own free opinion, if one is in search of truth.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks
 
paarsurrey said:
Why was the Gospel of Thomas disqualified from the Christian Bible and eventually outlawed? During the reign of Emperor Constantine around the 4th century C.E., the Roman Empire was looking to reconstitute and solidify its power. The Emperor and the existing power structure chose the Pauline sect of Christianity as the “official” religion, which include the epistles of Paul and the Gospels and books from his disciples that form the present-day New Testament.

The above might be only an opinion; but it might help one to form one’s own free opinion, if one is in search of truth.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks
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Deciding on which books are or not canonical was never an easy thing. To this day you can walk in to a Catholic book store and pick up a copy of the Gnostic Gospels. It includes the Gospel of Thomas. It is not included in the bible because of its structure. It is more a list of quotations. Not like the narratives of the synoptic Gospels. Mathew, Mark and Luke. The Gospel of Thomas has it place among early church literature in the realm of mysticism. It is not a fully developed Gnostic text but it is close enough that it would not fit well with the canon that became the New Testament. Much like the Koran, the mystical texts of the Church should be studied with caution as misinterpretations can have profound impact on your understanding of and your faith in God.

What is more interesting to me is that that recent study into the Koran has found possible links to early Gospels. In particular the Diatessaron. It is a harmonic gospel combining the three synoptic texts into one. It was available to Muhammad, and may have led to the assumption in the Koran that the Christian Gospel is one text. Interesting. 🤷
 
Even when the Portugese Catholics tried to force them into Catholicism; they preferred to retain their Jewish Christian identity.
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paarsurrey,

The Church of the East which was located east of the Euphrates river, from Mesopotamia onto the Far East, used to have a huge number of faithful in it. Unfortunately, in the late 14th and early 15th century, many of these Christians were decimated by the jihad of the ruthless Muslim Emir of the Timurid Empire, known as Tamerlane. Here is an account:
Under Tamerlane Christianity was ruthlessly extirpated throughout the vast portions of Asia he ruled. Stewart declares: “When he invaded Georgia … the Christians who resisted were slaughtered, their churches destroyed and all sacred vessels and furniture given to the flames.” Again, concerning a later expedition, he says of Tamerlane: "He did not omit to perpetuate the recollection of his ‘immitigable hatred’ of Christianity by the destruction of every monastery and every church in the districts on the line of march. Seven hundred towns, hamlets and monasteries, and every church built of stone and probably those built of other material as well, were levelled to the ground in another province. The wretched inhabitants were hunted to their retreats, dislodged and finally slaughtered."111 An explorer of the last century, describing what he found in central Asia, says of Tamerlane, "Having laid waste thousands of towns and destroyed countless numbers of men he left a great part of Asia a desert, covered with human bones and bloodstained ruins."112

111 Ibidä pp. 286-287.
112 L. Huc, Christianity in China, Tartary and Tibet, Vol. I (New York: P. J. Kennedy, 1897), p. 421 .​

Other Christians were forcefully converted to Islam by the sword. I would guess that some of today’s Asian Muslims are descendants of those Christian ancestors who were forcibly converted to Islam.

While Portuguese Christians caused some problems among the St. Thomas Christians, this was nothing compared to what the violent Muslims under Tamerlane have done to our Asian Christian people. This is not to excuse the Portuguese, because what they did was wrong, but please let’s keep things in perspective. The Muslim religion nearly blotted out, by war and forced conversions, the St. Thomas Christians from the face of Asia.

God bless,

Rony
 
paarsurrey said:
Hi

Why they also lost the gospel as you have mentioned? Why it is not clear? Perhaps there was none, in my opinion. Do you agree?
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Don’t assume that any thing was lost. Many of the early Gospels are gone. What St. Thomas had with him was most likely the Aramaic original of the Gospel of Mathew some times called the Gospel of the Hebrews. We poor modern folk just can’t say for sure what it was that he carried.
 
paarsurrey said:
I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks
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You are almost a Christian. Just a little more research and you will profess your faith in the one true God. Then you can relax because you will not only understand but you will know the true faith that God sent to his people. At this point you are finding Gnostic text appealing because they share some of the same Christology as the Koran. Keep digging my friend. History is an amazing teacher. Follow the gnostics back to their origin and you will find men interpreting what they heard from others not remembering what they saw with their own eyes. Dig deeper and it will lead you to the oldest accounts of Jesus’ life, the Synoptic Gospels. If you wish an easy read, start with Matthew. It is the oldest. It is short and to the point. Read it. You already know that Jesus lived and was real man. Read it. It is an account by one who was there. Read it. You already know Mary was a real woman. Read it. You will truly know her as she is. The Mother of God. Read it. No other man changed the lives of so many with such few words. Read it. Even Mohhamad claims that the final miracle is the word of God on earth. Read it. Jesus is the Word made Flesh. Read it.
You are almost there. Read it. The Koran needs 6,236 ayat to deliver the Law. Read it. Jesus only needs 2. “Love God above all. Love each other as I loved you.”

Soon you will sing with us. GLORIA PATRI, et Filio, et Spiritui Sancto. Sicut erat in principio, et nunc, et semper, et in saecula saeculorum. Amen.

Thank you for believing Paarsurrey.
 
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