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yankeesouth
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Lol but notice you failed to consider her Pro Life stance.
Sure…I admit it because I’m sure she would have come to realize that politics is spiritual warfare.
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ImQuiet
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You can be Pro-Life and still vote Democrat.
Regardless, I think it’s rather fruitless to speculate on a dead person’s approval of a system she has been harshly critical of anyway.
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yankeesouth
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Hmmm…think again…
Not fruitless at all. We have the saints to look to for inspiration. Dorothy Day, although not yet a saint, is an excellent Pro Life inspiration and we can look to Mother Teresa, who is a saint, as a model.
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ImQuiet
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From the USCCB.
Also if you’d care to read an opinion piece on the matter.
Yes, who rejected partisan politics.
She’s an excellent model for sure, but trying to pigeonhole her into a liberal or conservative ideology is a waste of time. It’s like asking who Tolstoy would vote for.
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yankeesouth
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Eh…I can link you to Catholic clergy that supports voting for Pro Life.
Mother Teresa talk as the pro abortion democrats listened…
The title of the talk was “Whatever You Did Unto One of the Least, You Did Unto Me.” She began by talking about Jesus and John the Baptist in their wombs, about their mothers, Mary and Elizabeth, and how the “unborn child” in the womb of Elizabeth—John the Baptist—leapt for joy as he felt the presence of Christ in the room when Mary entered to speak to Elizabeth.
Maybe for someone who wants to justify voting for pro abortion ideology. But this speaks for itself…
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ImQuiet
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Bad form again man, you can’t villainize me like that. Nowhere did I say I supported abortion.
You clearly want to condemn me for this and I think we’ve derailed this thread enough. If you really have a big issue with my voting choices and my opinion of Dorothy Day, send me a scathing pm about it.
Toodles.
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yankeesouth
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Not bad form at all. The democratic leftist political ideology does not lend itself to Pro Life belief. I’m not condemning anyone but you are suggesting that it is possible Saint Mother Teresa and Dorothy Day, both Pro Life advocates, would support the current pro abortion, redefining marriage, fetal stem cell research, euthanasia supporting leftist democratic ideology. I don’t agree. I have no problem ‘pigeonholing’ their Faith.
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christofirst
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She certainly did have what we would call leftist leanings, but she also defied simple classification. She once said, “When it comes to labor and politics, I am inclined to be sympathetic to the left, but when it comes to the Catholic Church, then I am far to the right.” She was an avowed and life-long pacifist, constantly critical of the arms race and the military-industrial complex. She was a champion of organized labor, the poor and the disenfranchised, always speaking out and demonstrating for workers’ rights. And she was prolife. I strongly disagree with anyone who would try to link this complicated and devout woman with today’s “single issue voters.” That would be an insult to her legacy, in my opinion, to simply disregard the many issues she cared passionately about in favor of only one.
If I had to speculate, I would say that when it comes to voting today she would be more in line with Pope Francis, who in Evangelii Gaudium instructs us, “We often hear it said that, with respect to relativism and the flaws of our present world, the situation of migrants, for example, is a lesser issue. Some Catholics consider it a secondary issue compare to the ‘grave’ biological issues. That a politician looking for votes might say such a thing is understandable, but not a Christian, for whom the only proper attitude is to stand in the shoes of those brothers and sisters of ours who risk their lives to offer a future to their children.”
Pope Francis warns against elevating any single social issue, including abortion, above all others, and as a faithful Catholic, based on her actual life and not any sort of historical revisionism, I think Dorothy Day would likely agree.
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Nepperhan
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That’s where one gets on shaky ground – predicting how a historic figure would act now. I base my comment on what she was and did. Alignment with the Catholic Worker movement? That was a leftist group. Some people say that anarchists are not on the left wing or right wing but I disagree with that.
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billsherman
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Getting back to the main point of the thread: yes she is!
More than ever before, I have come to align with her belief that partisan politics are inherently anti-Christian (she would have said anti-Catholic, but I’m broadening it). The goal of every political party is to expand its own power for the benefit of its members (or some of them), at the expense of everyone else.
Politics were of no interest to Jesus, so why should they be of interest to his followers? I think more so than ever before, that Day was absolutely correct. Partisanship is a false idol.
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StudentMI
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I love Dorothy Day. But I wish people would also pay some more attention to Peter Maurin.
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christofirst
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He is indeed a fascinating character, and I believe his writings, his “Easy Essays,” are still available to read. In some ways, he reminds of St. Benedict Joseph Labre, too, a saint both he and Dorothy admired.
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puer.dei
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But notice you failed to consider most of her other stances.
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StudentMI
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Yes they still are. His reading list is a great resource.
Tis_Bearself
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I agree. Dorothy would say the same. She regarded Peter as a saintly person who showed her the way.
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StudentMI
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Indeed. I love this biography from the Catholic Worker itself.
https://www.catholicworker.org/petermaurin/pm-biography.html
Buried in a second hand suit, and never owned a suit someone else had not given away.
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mrsdizzyd
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Please stop trying to co-opt her for your political purposes. How appalling!
In life she never voted. As such, she would not be a supporter of Trump or Biden or Clinton or Bush or Reagan or any of them. She was apolitical. An anarchist for Christ.
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