Saints: How Would They Live In Today's World?

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Look at Mother Teresa. She left a religioius order and took on the dress of a Hindu woman living on the streets of Calcutta. Talk about stepping outside the box. LOL

JR šŸ™‚
The bigger the step outside, the bigger the effect. A great example.
 
it seems like God has led me to specific Saints, saintly writers, and saintly people who have affected me in the specific way that i could relate to in my part of the world. i know it was no coincidence because God planned it all.

it would probably take me a while to write it all down, so i’ll just say it was some of the more popular Saints that got me on my way. a great resource which i overlooked for so long was the book,** The Lives of the Saints**. eventually you’ll find one that speaks to you. or you can try some of the indexes of Saints
catholic-forum.com/saints/patron02.htm
catholic.org/saints/
saints.sqpn.com/indexsnt.htm

in regards to the topic, i think there is a Saint in every corner of the world living God’s Word. therefore the possibilities are limitless, and one of them that is called is you who is reading this! 😃
 
I just wanted to post this reflection from a daily devotional I get, but it’s by one of my new found Saints, can you guess? St. Elizabeth Ann Seton of course! 😃 I couldn’t resist.

May 1, 2008
Blessed Mother

*Mary, Virgin and Mother

Oh, Virgin Joy of all the world art thou,
In whose white, fragrant steps the countless throng
On souls elect doth follow God with song:
Creation’s Queen, whose bright and holy brow
The multitude of Saints, like stars, endow
With changeful splendors, flashing far and strong:
The Main unshadow’d by the primal wrong:
God’s Lily, chosen in His shrine to bow.

All these thy glories are, and still a grace
More high, more dread, and yet more sweet and fair,
Doth bind thy royal brows, O Mary blest.
God called thee Mother; yea, His sacred face
The tender likeness of thine own doth wear.
And thou art ours — we trust Him for the rest.*
E. Seton

Hope you enjoy and are blessed by it.
 
it seems like God has led me to specific Saints, saintly writers, and saintly people who have affected me in the specific way that i could relate to in my part of the world. i know it was no coincidence because God planned it all.

it would probably take me a while to write it all down, so i’ll just say it was some of the more popular Saints that got me on my way. a great resource which i overlooked for so long was the book,** The Lives of the Saints**. eventually you’ll find one that speaks to you. or you can try some of the indexes of Saints
catholic-forum.com/saints/patron02.htm
catholic.org/saints/
saints.sqpn.com/indexsnt.htm

in regards to the topic, i think there is a Saint in every corner of the world living God’s Word. therefore the possibilities are limitless, and one of them that is called is you who is reading this! 😃
I agree with you completely!

And thanks for the links! šŸ™‚
 
Thanks for your wonderful ā€œramble,ā€ JR. Anytime …

Children are such marvels for us as we do our best to walk in holiness. Being in their presence is a privilege and a pleasure. They teach me New Life and the Good News and humility and they gift me with profound joy. Being called to serve children is God’s great gift to me.
 
they were talking about st catherine of siena on the radio yesterday, and one point that keeps sticking in my mind was that she was pulled out of her life of comtemplation, her comfort zone, and into a life of action. that’s another example to try to follow. we get so set in our ways… need to step outside of the box. (just need a little courage)
Such an excellent point, chewchoo. Thanks for making it. It does feel like ā€œtough timesā€ and ā€œimpossibleā€ when your life turns a new corner and it’s clearly related to God’s will for you. That Catherine of Siena is a good example of that had escaped my notice!
 
Sometimes we overlook the saints in our families and communities. I often find myself praying to my oldest son who died at age 7.

I always remind my youngest son and my daughter that our little boy is among the saints that we remember on the Solemnity of All Saints. They are the unknown saints, but saints nonetheless, as were Paul, Peter, Teresa, Agatha, Augustine, Francis, Elizabeth Ann and others.

If it so comforting to me to know that I have a son who is a real saint to whom I can pray and who will pray for me.

JR šŸ™‚
 
Quoting Lapell
King David also is a good example in this respect. He made friends among non-Jews, even among the Jews’ sworn enemies.
He also made some massive mistakes(adultery and murder)…repented and became a saint nonethless as did many of our penitent saints, make initial mistakes and took a wrong path I mean, not necessarily either adultery and/or murder.
Also there is that beautiful prayer in The Mass ā€œwhose Faith is known only to Youā€ā€¦ and the many unsung saints past and present and to come.
It is absolutely never too late to repent and take up that call addressed to us all without exemption no matter our spiritual state, to become saints and God’s Grace will be with us to become soā€¦ā€œaddressed to us allā€ as another poster pointed out.

Blessings - Barb:)
 
Quoting Lapell

He also made some massive mistakes(adultery and murder)…repented and became a saint nonethless as did many of our penitent saints, make initial mistakes and took a wrong path I mean, not necessarily either adultery and/or murder.
Also there is that beautiful prayer in The Mass ā€œwhose Faith is known only to Youā€ā€¦ and the many unsung saints past and present and to come.
It is absolutely never too late to repent and take up that call addressed to us all without exemption no matter our spiritual state, to become saints and God’s Grace will be with us to become soā€¦ā€œaddressed to us allā€ as another poster pointed out.

Blessings - Barb:)
Barb

You’re so right. Look at Augustine. Everyone forgets that he was a non-believer, a womanizer, had a son out of wedlock, drove his mother crazy, and joined every fad that came along. He was a genius and a devil.

Now look at him today. Like Augustine there have been many others.

People forget that saints are not born, they are made of flesh and blood. They struggle through life like everyone else. The difference between them and the rest of the crowd is that they live in peace with themselves, because they can accept their weaknesses and chip away at them little by little. They don’t live in a constant state of panic that they’re going to hell. They’re smarter than that.

They believe that they are so small that nothing they can do is to great for God to undo, even sin. So they put their trust in God and go about their business, whether it’s being a priest, a religious, a parent or a single person. Whatever they do, they try to get it right.

When they don’t get it right, they go back to God and ask him why not. This is where God enlightens the soul with mystical knowledge so that they can go back to what they were doing and do it according to God’s plan, not their own.

The other great thing about the saints, which I try to share with poeple on CAF, is that they love the Church with her sin and her virtues. They look at the Church as they look at Christ. In Christ we see humanity and divinity and we can’t pull them apart. They are both part of who he is. If we take one way, he ceases to be Christ.

When saints look at the Church they see both natures in the Church, it’s sinful nature and its redemptive nature. The don’t try to pry one away from the other. To them the Church is a person, not an organization they have to fix and correct. It is a person that they have to love.

The saints are very aware that the world can be transformed by love, even its sinful nature. So with this same belief they approach the Church and live at peace with her. They love her and they do anything for her. She is a person who is both holy and human. They can’t change that. They can only do what is right and do it the best they can.

What they don’t always realize is that their love for the Church and their effort to do what is right is the best thing they can do for the Church, because slowly the Church becomes holier. But the effects of saints on the Church are usually seen long after they have died.

However, saints don’t worry about this. Time passes quickly, but Eternity stands still. Therefore, they don’t have time to grapple with the Church, to complain or try to correct every fault that they see in the Church. They pick something that they see they can help improve and stick to that. The rest they leave up to God to send someone else along to fix.

Too many people on CAF want to do more for the Church than is reasonably possible. They want to convert the Church all over again or to turn the tide of time to a time when, in their minds, the Church was perfect. The Church was never perfect.

The perfection of the Church comes from Christ, its head. What makes the Church perfect is that she is both the body of Christ and the bride of Christ. No one said that Christ’s body and bride were sinless.

The saints understand the difference between being holy and being sinless. The Church is holy, because it is the bride of Christ. But Christ never said that he came for those who were perfect. He said that they physician comes to heal those who are sick. So the members he calls to his Church are from among those who are sick.

The saints, like Augustine, were among those who were sick. What made them saints was that they made themselves right at home among more people who were sick and needed to be healed by Christ. As each member is healed the Church becomes the perfect offering that the Son makes to the Father. But the healing doesn’t come through us, it comes through the Holy Spirit.

So saints are people who live in the Holy Spirit. They let the Holy Spirit guide them to make the right choices and they also let the Holy Spirit heal them. All the saints do is keep the faith through prayer, sacraments, silence, penance, plenty of patience, and mercy and grace toward others like them, others who are also sinful.

This is the process by which saints are made and the Church grows in holiness.

JR šŸ™‚
 
Sounds pretty spot on to me, JR! Saints are sinners who just refuse to give up…read this somewhere! Even once our saints have assumed a life of heroic virtue, doesn’t mean they were completely sinless or without faults and failings. This is great encouragement to us all to go on striving to be people of intense, even heroic, virtue in the face of all and anything and especially our own faults and failings and foibles. We could sure do with some modern day lay people being canonized to be role models for the rest of us who struggle often with modern day type problems of secular living in lay life.
The criteria for canonization is proven stability of heroic virtue, along with the required miracle or miracles (unsure of what actually does apply nowadays) prior to actual canonization which is the affirmation that the person is in Heaven and that God - and for His own reasons - does wish the person to be raised to the altars of The Church and canonized.

Blessings - Barb:)
An aside: I used to wonder as a child what canons had to do with saints…and concluded that probably in Rome they fire canons when the person is canonized - a 21 gun salute type of honour for them:rotfl:
 
JReducation very insightful thoughts about us and the Church! i’m also reading Confessions and can connect with St. Augustine very well.
 
DOCTOR CATHERINE OF SIENA

She did not deny her body, mind or emotions. True austerity as Catherine practiced and taught embraced humanity, including her own. More importantly, it embraces the humanity of Christ, the perfect man. Catherine contemplated how prayed, taught, cared for sinners and the helpless. She devoted her life to imitate him. She shared her faith with those who came to her for guidance and she took an active role in the events of the world. She cared for the world. She prayed for the world and she spoke her mind on the important issues of society in her day, much as we should do today.

Catherine condemned political abuse, especially the neglect of the poor.
Catherine was keenly aware that the Church must never back down before the immorality of the State. However, she did not promote conflict and confrontation either. Instead, she persuaded popes and bishops to claim their rights as citizens to live as Christ had lived. All too often many of us detach ourselves from our civic duties under the false claim that we do not like politics. But Catherine realized that politics were not on the line, morality and the Christian life were on the line.

Catherine attempted to slay the disease in her soul, sin. She did not try to be a saint. She tried to live as Christ lived. Sanctity would flow from the grace of Christ, but it depended on the choices that she made. Along with teaching and sharing the faith, acting as a committed Christian lay woman in of her time, she adopted an intense life of prayer, spending long periods in silence and solitude with the Lord. She needed some structure. She adopted the life of St. Dominic and became a Secular Dominican. She never became a sister or nun. She followed Dominic’s simple method of teaching the Gospel to others, with great humility, using the power of persuasion and of charity toward the poor.

Catherine consecrated her virginity to Christ. This does not mean that one has to be a virgin to consecrate oneself to Christ. What is meant is that Christ became her spouse. Like any espousal between two people there is a conscious effort to get to know the beloved and to understand his or her actions and words. It is also important to understand the behavior of the beloved. Catherine put aside anything and everything that interfered with her understanding of and attention to the Lord Jesus Christ. Single people, divorced, widowed and married people can all live such a consecration. It is a matter of understanding Christ, spending enough time in his presence in prayer, before the Blessed Sacrament, one’s car, one’s room or wherever one finds the opportunity to reflect on Christ’s human behavior.

After three years of such a life of prayer and charity Catherine experienced what hagiographers have tried to represent as her mystical marriage. Here the mystical marriage consists in a vision in which Christ tells the soul that he talks it for his bride, there is literally a wedding ceremony with Mary, other saints and the angels present. This festivity is the accompaniment and symbol of purely spiritual grace or sanctifying grace. It is not something that we can do for ourselves or should even ask for. It is a special gift that God grants to special souls who know him intimately through conversational prayer, by sitting silently in his presence, through the practice of charity, by living their vocation responsibly (wife, mother, father, husband, teacher, laborer or whatever one’s place is in the world).

Catherine is a living example of what God can do for the soul when the soul focuses on living a life of grace by cooperating with grace. The soul must also recognize that every good that it accomplishes is through the grace of God and accept it with gratitude, rather than false humility. The soul never forgets that it is sinful, because saints do sin. The difference between a saint and the rest of the population around them is the person’s ability to recognize their sinfulness, to accept God’s forgiveness, and to rejoice in the fact that God is Mercy.

In Catherine’s writings we read that as the soul realizes its sinfulness and its ability to heal through the gift of reconciliation, the Eucharist and other sacraments, there is an augmentation of charity and familiarity with God. She states that one becomes much more comfortable with the idea that God will take care of one’s soul. One has to get to know Christ, imitate Christ, love Christ in himself and in others.

She also describes how one becomes closer to the sufferings of Christ by becoming closer to the sufferings of others. The sufferings of Christ are not an image that we contemplate on a crucifix. Just the opposite, the crucifix is a constant reminder that Christ continues to suffer due to our sins and through those who are vulnerable members of society. The crucifix is a reminder of suffering that is on-going, not something that happened 2000 years ago. Christ’s passion extended beyond time and embraces all suffering and heals all sin, if the person is willing to be healed.

She espoused the concerns of her Divine spouse, the redemption of man, the dignity of man and the sin of man. This was an extraordinary woman.

JR šŸ™‚
Catherine of Sienna is one of my favorite saints. What an inspiration for today’s woman. She was a paragon of humility, but not meek as we think of meek. She persuaded the Pope to go back to Rome from Avignon and when she died she was endeavoring to heal the Great Western Schism. She had one of the brightest minds that we’ve seen in our Church & her letters & her ā€œdialogā€ are still studied by scholars today.

When Pope Urban became the Vicar of Christ, & he was VERY stern, she said to him:** ā€œFor the love of Jesus crucified, Holy Father, soften a little the sudden movements of your temper**.ā€
Doncha just love her??
 
Sometimes we overlook the saints in our families and communities. I often find myself praying to my oldest son who died at age 7.

I always remind my youngest son and my daughter that our little boy is among the saints that we remember on the Solemnity of All Saints. They are the unknown saints, but saints nonetheless, as were Paul, Peter, Teresa, Agatha, Augustine, Francis, Elizabeth Ann and others.

If it so comforting to me to know that I have a son who is a real saint to whom I can pray and who will pray for me.

JR šŸ™‚
JR, this post of yours is so moving that I waited a day to respond to it. For some years of my life, I gave direct care to abused/ill infants, toddlers, preschoolers in a pediatric skilled nursing unit. I did this as one of my ā€œbreaksā€ from social service (reisdential care of children). As any one could guess, a number of these little ones died while in our care. It was no great surprise, one might say, as they’d come to us with prognoses of death and yet, it was a terrible surprise each time. Three of the babies were especially ā€œmineā€ in that we worked from the principle of primary-care and the families had minimal or no involvement with the children. (The children came to us by order of the courts.)

One child, Ramon John, was an especially hard loss. He’d been in my care for six months and had come to us at a few months old. Another, Brianna, had been with us a year and died at 14 months old. Others, Tyrone, an infant; Wayne, four years; Michael and Michelle, two years old and three years old, all were tough losses for those of us who loved them so.

Yet, you’ve reminded me that many of them are joyful in heaven, having been baptized in our care, some of them formally by a priest, others informally at the point of death. What a kindness you’ve extended to me, reminding me that these little ones are saints who are well-known to me. Thank you so much.
 
JR, this post of yours is so moving that I waited a day to respond to it. For some years of my life, I gave direct care to abused/ill infants, toddlers, preschoolers in a pediatric skilled nursing unit. I did this as one of my ā€œbreaksā€ from social service (reisdential care of children). As any one could guess, a number of these little ones died while in our care. It was no great surprise, one might say, as they’d come to us with prognoses of death and yet, it was a terrible surprise each time. Three of the babies were especially ā€œmineā€ in that we worked from the principle of primary-care and the families had minimal or no involvement with the children. (The children came to us by order of the courts.)

One child, Ramon John, was an especially hard loss. He’d been in my care for six months and had come to us at a few months old. Another, Brianna, had been with us a year and died at 14 months old. Others, Tyrone, an infant; Wayne, four years; Michael and Michelle, two years old and three years old, all were tough losses for those of us who loved them so.

Yet, you’ve reminded me that many of them are joyful in heaven, having been baptized in our care, some of them formally by a priest, others informally at the point of death. What a kindness you’ve extended to me, reminding me that these little ones are saints who are well-known to me. Thank you so much.
My son’s name is Jesse. I had the privilege of baptizing him myself. What an awesome responsibility and privilege when you get to baptize your own child. But as I think about this I often get very emotional, because there is no doubt in my mind that he is among the saints whom we venerate on All Saints Day. There is no doubt, because the Lord gave me the grace of baptizing my own son, so that I would know for sure of his sanctity.

Sometimes I wonder why God gave me such a wondereful gift and I believe that maybe I’m like Thomas. If I had not put my fingers into the Lord’s wounds I would have doubted. But in this case, there is no room for doubt.

I am reminded of the Canticle of Mary. ā€œHe who is mighty has done great things for me.ā€

JR šŸ™‚
 
My son’s name is Jesse. I had the privilege of baptizing him myself. What an awesome responsibility and privilege when you get to baptize your own child. But as I think about this I often get very emotional, because there is no doubt in my mind that he is among the saints whom we venerate on All Saints Day. There is no doubt, because the Lord gave me the grace of baptizing my own son, so that I would know for sure of his sanctity.

Sometimes I wonder why God gave me such a wondereful gift and I believe that maybe I’m like Thomas. If I had not put my fingers into the Lord’s wounds I would have doubted. But in this case, there is no room for doubt.

I am reminded of the Canticle of Mary. ā€œHe who is mighty has done great things for me.ā€

JR šŸ™‚
ā€œHe who is mighty has done great things for meā€ and holy is His Name. A loving reminder form Our Jewish Mother! Of all the babies in my care, I baptized Tyrone whose personal history was so horrible I can’t even repeat it right now. I gave him the Saint’s name of Stephen: Tyrone Stephen. He died later in the day of his Baptism. He was five months old, with us two months.

I know - how privileged and blessed are we?
 
THE UNIVERSAL CALL TO SAINTHOOD

As I reflect on the saints, their teachings and their lives I’m led to contemplate the mystery of holiness. Every saint had his or her way to achieve holiness. Nonetheless, the holiness that they achieved was the same. They became vessels of charity. They came to a clearer understanding of God’s work in their lives. They appreciated their humanity and their sinfulness.

Let’s focus on this last thought. They appreciated their humanity and their sinfulness. Did the saints like being human? Affirmative. They embraced their humanity. They liked to laugh, sing, play with children, rest, work and everything that is positive and agreeable about being human.

They also appreciated the value of suffering. Had they not been human, they would not have suffered. They suffered misunderstanding, persecution, slander, rejection, isolation, loneliness, poor health, exhaustion, mental fatigue and some of the physical ailments that God imposed on them. These were gifts that they could offer to the Father in union with his crucified son. Had they not had suffering in their lives, they would have been unable to embrace the cross.

Now, let’s look at sin. Did the saints appreciate sin? In the negative sense, they did. They repented of their sins, as should every good man or woman. However, the saints saw the other side of the mountain. Each time they fell, they got up and continued on their journey. They knew that it was not they who made this possible, but the grace of God. They recognized their sinful nature and they took comfort that God was always present to rescue them and forgive them. Like the rest of us, they sinned. Unlike many of us, they did not give up or despair. They trusted the power of God’s mercy and love.

Let’s move on to another topic that we so often see here on CAF, unfortunately. That is judgement. The saints were not clueless men and women. They knew what was happening in the Church and the world around them. But the saints approached these problems with charity. They spoke as Christ would speak. They reminded others how to live according to the Gospel.

A saint will look at such things as abuses in the mass, the alleged weaknesses of post Vatican II popes, the sexual abuse scandals in the Church, the criticism against ecumenism like any other Catholic. He or she is not blind or ignorant. But the saint brings something to the table that we often forget. The saint brings charity.

You see, the saints can see what people do or fail to do, but they cannot see motive. No one but God can see motive. While a saint may say this would be better if it were this way, he or she would never call into question the motives of the Church or Church authorities. That is reserved for God alone and the saints understand this and live by this rule. You cannot judge the hearts of men. You can only agree or disagree with actions. This is why the saints were never found to be in conflict with the Church or resentful and angry at the Church. On the contrary, they forgave the Church. So many people have such a difficult time forgiving the Church.

A saint understands that if you cannot forgive the Mystical Body of Christ and her shepherds, how can you ask for forgiveness for you? Are you and I greater than the Mystical Body? Are you and I more holy than the people of God? Are you and I the arbiters of God’s justice and mercy? Or are you and I sinful men and women who are in need of the same mercy and forgiveness as everyone else?

There have been very scholarly saints who were theologians and philosophers. They engaged in great debates to protect the faith. But not a single one of them ever assumed for himself more authority than was rightfully his or hers. Those who had the authority to do so often did excommunicate those whom they believed were not in communion with the Church. Those who were not bishops and did not have this apostolic authority ever claimed it as do many people on CAF.

It is contrary to holiness to claim authority for oneself that one does not have. Such an action is a violation of charity, humility and justice. Holiness is about the perfection of charity, humility and justice.

Let us follow the example of the saints when we speak or think about the Church or about our own lives.

JR šŸ™‚
 
THE UNIVERSAL CALL TO SAINTHOOD

So many people have such a difficult time forgiving the Church.

A saint understands that if you cannot forgive the Mystical Body of Christ and her shepherds, how can you ask for forgiveness for you? Are you and I greater than the Mystical Body? Are you and I more holy than the people of God? Are you and I the arbiters of God’s justice and mercy? Or are you and I sinful men and women who are in need of the same mercy and forgiveness as everyone else?

JR šŸ™‚
I’d like to focus on just this one thought for a minute.

I have often wondered if what we see among those who are so outspoken against the Church and it’s leaders, is just a response against the Church for perceived or real offenses that have caused deep emotional wounds; and there has not been a candid exploration by the individuals or whatever groups they congregate in, as to what really needs to happen within themselves to move forward. It’s always easier to demand of others than to demand of ourselves.

Sometimes we just need to take a step back when we are really really angry and ask ourselves some honest questions, being prepared to deal with the honest answers. This takes courage, because more often than not, what we discover is not what we thought was there all along, but something altogether different, sometimes altogether us and not them.

The Holy Spirit is always looking for an honest inquirer, always waiting and willing to show us the truth of a matter if we honestly want to know it. Courage and humility. Tough things, but necessary *always *when holiness is our goal.
 
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