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tdcjco
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Romans 10:8-13. Dont over complicate things.
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clfire
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One more thought…
Perhaps only when Protestant believers KNOW and BELIEVE the Catholic Church is true Church and THEN STILL REJECT it, they cannot be saved? But if they cannot and even if they refuse to BELIEVE it because they truly believe the Christian church they go to…then they don’t really KNOW the Catholic Church is the true Church…and could be saved by God’s mercy?
Perhaps only when Protestant believers KNOW and BELIEVE the Catholic Church is true Church and THEN STILL REJECT it, they cannot be saved? But if they cannot and even if they refuse to BELIEVE it because they truly believe the Christian church they go to…then they don’t really KNOW the Catholic Church is the true Church…and could be saved by God’s mercy?
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fred_conty
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It is my hope that God-loving and God-fearing Proestants can be saved…but it doesn’t seem to be shapng up that way…as a Catholic I have to accept the Church teachings as true…and I can’t seem to hear from any theologians as WHAT does a Protestant have to understand before he/she KNOWS that it is the Catholic teachings they must follow to be saved…
“… Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.” (CCC #846)
There is a lot in that statement, but none condeming those who do not know Jesus and his Church thru no fault of there own.
No fault means never heard, scandalized by catholics, don’t believe it is his church, taught that the church is wrong, misunderstand church’s teachings, believe she teaches what is wrong, etc.
This always presumes the person is being honest.
“… Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.” (CCC #846)
There is a lot in that statement, but none condeming those who do not know Jesus and his Church thru no fault of there own.
No fault means never heard, scandalized by catholics, don’t believe it is his church, taught that the church is wrong, misunderstand church’s teachings, believe she teaches what is wrong, etc.
This always presumes the person is being honest.
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tdcjco
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In today’s second reading, St. Paul tells exactly the conditions under which one is assured of salvation. Place your faith in the Risen Lord, not armchair theologians. In Christ, there is hope, mercy and love. As long as you know that, you never need to despair, fret or worry.
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Bballer32
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Welcome to the Forums!In today’s second reading, St. Paul tells exactly the conditions under which one is assured of salvation. Place your faith in the Risen Lord, not armchair theologians. In Christ, there is hope, mercy and love. As long as you know that, you never need to despair, fret or worry.
Are you aware that this is not the exact teaching of the Catholic Church?
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tdcjco
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So, let me understand. You’re suggesting that the Bible is less than accurate?
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philv
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Christ and the Church are one… He said if anyone rejects you (the church), rejects me. I started to take that seriously as a candidate earlier.
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MyPseudonym
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But even if a Protestant studied Catholicism and ended up not believing it, they would still be ignorant to the fact that Catholicism is true.INVINCIBLY ignorant. That means they could never have known it because they live in a jungle somewhere and can’t read! A Protestant living in America or England or wherever is NOT invincibly ignorant. Even if no one ever knocks on their door or evangelizes them they are STILL NOT because they have the means to look for the truth. They have libraries, the internet, books etc. That means it is their responsibility to seek the truth.
The catechism says:
This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience—those too may achieve eternal salvation. (CCC 847)
Notice they say through no fault of their own. Not seeking the Truth is your own fault if you have the means to seek it.
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Oren
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They would not be invincibly ignorant so I don’t know what your point is.But even if a Protestant studied Catholicism and ended up not believing it, they would still be ignorant to the fact that Catholicism is true.
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Oren
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“… Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.” (CCC #846)
There is a lot in that statement, but none condeming those who do not know Jesus and his Church thru no fault of there own.
No fault means never heard, scandalized by catholics, don’t believe it is his church, taught that the church is wrong, misunderstand church’s teachings, believe she teaches what is wrong, etc.
This always presumes the person is being honest.
That isn’t what through no fault of their own means. So, every person who doesn’t believe in the Church is fine or who has a problem with a church…they’re just fine? That is absurd. Why should anyone even become Catholic then if they’re all just fine where they are?
There is a lot in that statement, but none condeming those who do not know Jesus and his Church thru no fault of there own.
No fault means never heard, scandalized by catholics, don’t believe it is his church, taught that the church is wrong, misunderstand church’s teachings, believe she teaches what is wrong, etc.
This always presumes the person is being honest.
That isn’t what through no fault of their own means. So, every person who doesn’t believe in the Church is fine or who has a problem with a church…they’re just fine? That is absurd. Why should anyone even become Catholic then if they’re all just fine where they are?
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Oren
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That is not what the bible teaches nor the Church.In today’s second reading, St. Paul tells exactly the conditions under which one is assured of salvation. Place your faith in the Risen Lord, not armchair theologians. In Christ, there is hope, mercy and love. As long as you know that, you never need to despair, fret or worry.
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Aussieman88
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Oh my goodness people.
READ THE BIBLE! The catholic church IS the one true church. Directly decendant by laying on of hands from Jesus to Peter and so on and so forth. Thats all, that’s it. we’re not the only church and it doesn’t even indicate in the bible that you need to be catholic to be saved.
This does not mean that you can’t be saved if you are not Catholic. Paul started many churches and he never even met Peter untill at least 12 years after he started. Thats most likely hundreds and hundreds of churches. There are other churches and that’s ok. In Revelation there are letters to the 7 churches.
Christianity is exclusive… Catholocism is not. The spirit of religion has blinded many of us. Don’t be one of the ones who are decieved.
Jesus is the one you need to be saved. Nothing else. Read the bible. You wouldn’t know it but us catholics are a BIBLE BELIEVING CHURCH.
READ THE BIBLE! The catholic church IS the one true church. Directly decendant by laying on of hands from Jesus to Peter and so on and so forth. Thats all, that’s it. we’re not the only church and it doesn’t even indicate in the bible that you need to be catholic to be saved.
This does not mean that you can’t be saved if you are not Catholic. Paul started many churches and he never even met Peter untill at least 12 years after he started. Thats most likely hundreds and hundreds of churches. There are other churches and that’s ok. In Revelation there are letters to the 7 churches.
Christianity is exclusive… Catholocism is not. The spirit of religion has blinded many of us. Don’t be one of the ones who are decieved.
Jesus is the one you need to be saved. Nothing else. Read the bible. You wouldn’t know it but us catholics are a BIBLE BELIEVING CHURCH.
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tdcjco
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How does someone read Romans 10:8-13 and then say ‘well, that’s not what the Bible teaches.’ Really? You just read it with your own eyes.
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tdcjco
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Place your faith in the Risen Lord, not armchair theologians. In Christ, there is hope, mercy and love.
Um, ok. We shouldn’t get so caught up in studying Canon Law and the Catechism, the words of men, that we ignore the Word of God.That is not what the bible teaches nor the Church.
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bluemug
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That is very good. God is simple, but we human beings like to complicate everything, using long words in prayers, too.Romans 10:8-13. Dont over complicate things.
Also read: Is 55: 10-11. Everyone will be saved.
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fred_conty
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Aussieman, you said, “There are other churches and that’s ok.”
But of course you meant by “other churches” other catholic churches.
This can be seen by St. Paul teaching the same things in all the other churches.
Other churches, means like catholic missionaries today who start other churches in
foreign countries.
Just some thoughts.
But of course you meant by “other churches” other catholic churches.
This can be seen by St. Paul teaching the same things in all the other churches.
Other churches, means like catholic missionaries today who start other churches in
foreign countries.
Just some thoughts.
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MyPseudonym
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Are you saying that you think all Protestants in developed countries will go to hell?They would not be invincibly ignorant so I don’t know what your point is.
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Bballer32
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No, I’m sorry but even die hard Catholics know that not everyone is saved.That is very good. God is simple, but we human beings like to complicate everything, using long words in prayers, too.
Also read: Is 55: 10-11. Everyone will be saved.
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Bballer32
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This is because the Word of God is fulfilled in the Church.Place your faith in the Risen Lord, not armchair theologians. In Christ, there is hope, mercy and love.
Um, ok. We shouldn’t get so caught up in studying Canon Law and the Catechism, the words of men, that we ignore the Word of God.
Nothing in the Bible Contradicts the Catholic Church, and nothing in the Catholic Church contradicts the bible.
Does the power to “bind and loose” sound familiar to you?
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Bballer32
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No not ALL Protestants will go to hell. Not every Catholic will go to heaven either. Of the 1.2 Billion Catholics, a study showed that only half of these Catholics consider themselves a practicing Catholic. This means that the other half could care less about their faith.Are you saying that you think all Protestants in developed countries will go to hell?
So, making that assumption that ALL will go to hell or ALL will go to heaven is just logically incorrect.
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