Salvation is by the power of God

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Salvation is by the power of God.

1 Corinthians 1:18. For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

Romans 1:16. For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Christ, with His powers, restores the soul to the condition when man was first created, when God looked upon mankind and said mankind was “good”.

Christ said to Adam during His descent into hell;

“Look at the spittle on my face, which I received because of you, in order to restore you to that first divine inbreathing at creation”.

source: Ancient Homily for Holy Saturday: PG 43, 440A, 452C: LH, Holy Saturday, OR.

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OK. Not quite understanding here.

Do you think that you have a problem with Catholic teaching?
  1. We are saved by God’s grace through faith.
Does that help you?
 
True. We are saved by God’s grace through faith. But Salvation comes to us by the power of God through His Holy Spirit. We cannot salvage of own souls. We are not good enough to be in heaven with God the Father. Our souls are reatored by the powers of Christ before we enter heaven.
 
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But Catholics know this!

It has been consistent Catholic teaching now for 2,000 years!

Someone has taught you rather horrible theology! Beginning with:
  1. Bible alone - which neither Jesus nor the bible teach!
  2. Figuring out God’s word on your own.
Catholics are not orphans. We have the Church guided by the Holy Spirit (Read Acts 15) which will NEVER fail - that is, if you believe Jesus as recorded in Matthew 16.

Here is a bible shocker for you: Every reference to our judgment, that means heaven or hell - 100% of them - are based on our works! Did you know that?

Of course faith is the foundation, but works build on faith.

You have been taught terrible untruths about Christ’s Church.

Stick around and we will be delighted to correct any and all errors that someone has taught you.

Doesn’t matter what you think the bible means. What matters is truth, right?
 
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Hmm
What do you mean here
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Our souls are reatored by the powers of Christ before we enter heaven.
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Do you believe in Heaven and hell
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Yeah, me neither. But, OP is clearly a ‘Bibloner’ who is here to correct 1.2 BILLION Catholics and 300 MILLION Orthodox!

I’m flabbergasted!

Incredulous!

Mystified!

Probably stupified… 😉
 
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Still applies, does it not? Must address ideas, not labels. And, this is the interwebz - anyone can be the Pope. This is curious…
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Yes, this restoration of our souls, becoming truly justified before entrance into heaven is a thoroughly Catholic concept and teaching. Protestantism, OTOH, can take issue with this, confused as it often is regarding God’s desire and/or ability to perfect us or otherwise change us into the creatures He’s always intended us to be. He never created us to be sinners after all.
 
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God in His immense love for mankind created humans to be with Him as part of a most loving heavenly family with the angels. There is nothing more beautiful for the Christian than this. To go against this is to go against all that we were created for. It is the human condition that we are evil and wicked without God in the afterlife. One suffers a spiritual death…the soul is evil, deceitful, and in ruins. Man is better off had he not been born. Hence, the value of salvation is greater than the sum of our lives. God is a righteous God and must punish sin. Due to man’s iniquities, man was unable to be with God and was to be punished. God in His great plans and love for mankind gave His only begotten Son as Christ, the Redeemer and Savior of mankind, so that at the time of bodily death, the soul of the believer can be salvaged(restored) by the divine powers of Christ. And, the believer may not suffer the unhealthy condition of being without God and His love.

John 3:16. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

God has proven His love for mankind through His Son, Jesus Christ.
 
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It is the human condition that we are inherently more evil when we fall into the state or condition of hell without salvation - the restoration of our souls. The human spirits are likened the devil. They do the will of their father… they masquerade as something more than they are, they lie and deceive. They have anger and hatred in their hearts. Their souls are in ruins. They thirst for all that only a most loving Creator can give them. They are in need of Christ’s divine powers of salvaging the soul and removing the anger and hatred from their hearts. Only then, can they be good spirits, and be with God, Jesus, the angels, family and friends in heaven. This is God’s calling for mankind, and to go against it, is to go against all that we were created for.
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Actually I know atheists that aren’t nearly as evil as those you describe above-in fact they can be pretty decent folk. In Catholic theology man didn’t become evil with the Fall, so much as wounded, rendered incapable of refraining from evil, moral evil, aka “sin”, due to the fact that his vital relationship with His Creator was shattered at the Fall. The state of “Original Sin”, therefore, consists primarily in that: man is out of communion with God, an unjust, disordered state of being for him. Chaos will rule to one degree or another to the extent that man’s will reigns exclusively.

Jesus, ‘Apart from whom we can do nothing’ (John 15:5), came to reconcile man with God, with Himself as it is since to see Him is to see the Father, restoring the true “knowledge of God” that was lost at the Fall, and therefore restoring relationship with Him. “Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.” John 17:3

Man, with his first sin, had “conceived a distorted image” of God, and preferred himself to God as the catechism teaches. When the time was ripe in human history Jesus came to reveal the true face of God so that we may turn back, and run to Him like Prodigals back to their Father who’s been waiting all along, no longer preferring ourselves and our ways to God and His ways, having spent time apart from Him, exiled here in the pigsty so to speak.
 
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Calvinist? That is not a Christian teaching. Christ did not teach it - neither did the Apostles, and the bible teaches against it.
 
The part that sounds like total depravity. Anything to do with T.U.L.I.P. is not biblical - rather it was Jean Cauvin’s personal twist on the scriptures.

Jesus said “If you, evil as you are, know how to give good things to your children, how much more will God give His Holy Spirit to those who ask?”
  1. Give good things to your children. That’s not depraved, but lauded by Christ.
  2. Asking for the Holy Spirit - can’t do that if you are totally depraved.
It goes on and on, but Calvinism is for those who believe they are somehow saved through Jean Cauvin via his peculiar teachings.

No thanks!
 
Sorry for the error. I will continue my next post.
 
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First of all, I am Catholic. And I was referring to those who fall into hell, not those who are saved.

C.C.C. glossary; HELL: The state of definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed, reserved for those who refuse by their own free choice to believe and be converted from sin, even to the end of their lives (1033).

Those in hell are without God and His love. This includes divine salvation from the Lord Jesus Christ.

Psalm 9:17. The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

Their souls are in ruins.

Matthew 26:24. The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born."

Jesus did not die for nothing.
 
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