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SemperFidelis
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Is there an echo in here?
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DustinsDad
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Attempting to argue theology with a person who doesn’t know the difference between apostacy, heresy and schism is an exercise in futility.
This person is a troll. Obviously - at least after a few posts.
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mgrfin
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Yeah, it’s from your loud remark:
This is STUPID, STUPID, STUPID, STUPID, STUPID!!!
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SemperFidelis
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I didn’t know I’d be able to double-use a post. I can use it for the new Good Friday Prayer for the Jews and for you.
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SemperFidelis
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Perhaps you’re right. I think I’ll find something better to do than argue with someone who lacks…well everything including common sense.
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mgrfin
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Ah, the footsoldiers have arrived.
I have quoted the Canon and its definition on this site more than once, Canon 751.
Canon law is so indifferential to the three crimes, they are all contained and defined in the same Canon. Apostacy doesn’t merit its own Canon, neither does Heresy, nor Schism.
To me they are all interrelated.
You think that schism is any less a crime in Canon Law than apostacy?
Canonically they are the same in that they merit the same punishment.
Anytime you want to argue Canon Law with me, go ahead.
Forming your own religion means to me you are throwing your old religion aside. That is a apostacy to me.
How about responding to the Law here, rather than making personal, ad hominem comments.
Otherwise, we have to await the arrival of the two other foot-soldiers.
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DustinsDad
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As I said, arguing theology with a person who doesn’t know the difference between apostacy, heresy and schism is an exercise in futility.
You now have my permission to wallow in your ignorance and in your futility.
Proceed.
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Nandarani
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**This is specifically with regard to purgatory, real or not. Your view is, definitely not, as stated in late January. i’m chiming in 10 days after the last post - sorry. I’m not Catholic. Yet. **
References to purgatory can be found in the writings and experiences of the saints - and since the RCC takes so much trouble (using non-christian and certainly non-catholic investigators of every aspect of sainthood) the writings and experiences of just two recent saints (and these are just the ones I know of - and I am hardly widely read in the saints, past or present) are relevant.
St. Faustina (read her 700+ page Diary). It’s at www.amazon.com for about $7.95. Experiences of hers… numerous visits from people she knew, and strangers, requesting prayers and sacrifices of her. This was corroborated in many ways by the sisters in her community through the years (she died in her 30’s in 1938). Until she gave them, the same souls kept returning to “bother” her about the matter of their salvation. And, she could see the soul ascending, once freed, as well as the condition in which it was in, when in purgatory. The demeanor was visible to SF and the personal appearance changed from one place to the other.
Another notable example of a person repeateadly importuned with requests for prayers from souls in purgatory is **St. Pio (Padre Pio). ** He had numerous visitors from purgatory - these were corroborated historically - i.e., their manner of demise. In one case, a resident of the same monastery several hundred years prior to Padre Pio’s time there, appeared begging for prayers, and explained he’d died in a bed-fire, and when. Historical records proved that this person, of course unknown to PP, existed and died in the manner stated.
There are so many other references that books have been written on the subject. Several of the visionaries in Marian apparitions in recent times have also been taken on “tours” of purgatory.
Nannette
References to purgatory can be found in the writings and experiences of the saints - and since the RCC takes so much trouble (using non-christian and certainly non-catholic investigators of every aspect of sainthood) the writings and experiences of just two recent saints (and these are just the ones I know of - and I am hardly widely read in the saints, past or present) are relevant.
St. Faustina (read her 700+ page Diary). It’s at www.amazon.com for about $7.95. Experiences of hers… numerous visits from people she knew, and strangers, requesting prayers and sacrifices of her. This was corroborated in many ways by the sisters in her community through the years (she died in her 30’s in 1938). Until she gave them, the same souls kept returning to “bother” her about the matter of their salvation. And, she could see the soul ascending, once freed, as well as the condition in which it was in, when in purgatory. The demeanor was visible to SF and the personal appearance changed from one place to the other.
Another notable example of a person repeateadly importuned with requests for prayers from souls in purgatory is **St. Pio (Padre Pio). ** He had numerous visitors from purgatory - these were corroborated historically - i.e., their manner of demise. In one case, a resident of the same monastery several hundred years prior to Padre Pio’s time there, appeared begging for prayers, and explained he’d died in a bed-fire, and when. Historical records proved that this person, of course unknown to PP, existed and died in the manner stated.
There are so many other references that books have been written on the subject. Several of the visionaries in Marian apparitions in recent times have also been taken on “tours” of purgatory.
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mgrfin
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How childish. When all else fails, you resort to personal, childish outburst.
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mgrfin
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These are persoanl revelations, and not part of the Deposit of Fath.
Catholics are not required to believe in the working of Padre Pio, or St. Faustina.
Please don’t judge our religion on these personal revelations.
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DustinsDad
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Merely pointing out a fact - you are not intellectually capable enough to comprehend the differences between apostacy, heresy and schism, or - perhaps more likely, you are not intellectually honest enough to admit them.
Therefore further dialoge with you is futile. Yet somehow I keep finding myself back here looking at the latest outlandish, juvinile and intellectually bankrupt remark from you. I guess it’s hard to look away from the scene of so sad and tragic an accident as your attempt at theology. More like a morbid curiosity on my part. Mia culpa.
So by all means, procede with the wallowing in your futility and ignorance. We can’t help but look on and be amused - but we’ll try not to, it is Lent after all.
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SFD
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Don’t you have a hockey game to go to? I think there are a few here that might chip in to buy you season tickets.
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mgrfin
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mgrfin
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When you are going to write even a short post criticizing someone’s intelligence, I wish you check you your own spelling.
apostacy
dialoge
juvinile
mia culpa
procede
Instead of, what is correct:
apostasy
dialogue
juvenile
mea culpa
proceed.
Nice doing business with ya!
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DustinsDad
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Typed on the fly - and such is the web.
But ya know, if you have nothing else to offer - critique spelling
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Namesake
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I really don’t believe it matters at all.
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stmaria
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Please check your grammar.
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jim28
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I thought this was a thread about the Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Sallus Est Dogma.
I would like to say that there is NO SALVATION OUTSIDE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. No exceptions.
How’s that maybe ya’ll don’t feel like discussing this anymore. I don’t know but, I do know making a statement like I just made is bound to get people talking.
I would like to say that there is NO SALVATION OUTSIDE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. No exceptions.
How’s that maybe ya’ll don’t feel like discussing this anymore. I don’t know but, I do know making a statement like I just made is bound to get people talking.
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