Salvation outside the church

[mgrfin]

What’s your point? SFD has still showed you up 99% of the time. The fact that he’s wrong on sedevacantism doesn’t mean he’s not right on this, and the fact that you’re right on sedevacantism doesn’t make you right on other things.

Maybe it’s time you do the same, by agreeing with all the Church teaches, including the teachings regarding the Decalogue and the Natural Law.

The question of the Natural Law and the Decalogue is a philosophic question, and is not part of any revealed truth. And the issue of conscience, I quoted him the CCC and he has no response.
And, thank you for saying I am right against him on SV.
peace

 

[DustinsDad]

Anything now to avoid an honest argument. Catherina and mgrfin have no interest in learning anything. The truth is of no interest to them and if it happens to get in their way…they just deny it or ignore it. The ends (opposing the SV) justify the means (denial of truth). Liberalism is a sin.

SFD

You should feel honored, no longer do you have to fall into rabbit holes - now you ARE the rabbit hole!

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[catharina]

I dare say, if poor maria called JPII a public sinner she was being mild in the fact that he was a notorious heretic! He more than pandered to false religions, and the abomination that he instigated and promoted at Assisi was an abomination. He is an apostate by his own words and actions. You can bury your head in the sand Catharina, and refuse to see the truth, however it does not change the truth.

If Holy Mother Church ever said so, I’d listen. You imagine I would consider you and Maria as experts? That’s a completely ridiculous fanatsy.

 

[preV2tradcath]

You even got this wrong, mgrfin…who told you the thread ends at 1000 posts?

SFD

I agree with SFD not mgrfin on the topic of this thread, but the only reason it is still going is probably that the moderator is not on line. A moderator or admin usually locks a thread once it reaches 1000 posts.
And just to be clear, I am not a sedevacantist and would disagree with them if we were allowed to discuss sedevacantism on these forums.

 

[Walking_Home]

The question of the Natural Law and the Decalogue is a philosophic question, and is not part of any revealed truth.
And, thank you for saying I am right against him on SV.
peace

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Prove your assertion. Again—you cannot be your own authority.

 

[SemperFidelis]

.He was wrong on the conscience question, and on the natural law/decalogue issue.

Actually it is you who has been proven wrong on both these things. Your “argument,” if it can even be called that, provided no substantial evidence then what you thought was philosophically true. You have been proven wrong on both of these accounts, by several individuals, who included in their posts the authortative teachings of the Church. Get with the program, mgrfin. It is you who lacks the knowledge regarding the teachings of the Church.

 

[mgrfin]

Anything now to avoid an honest argument. Catherina and mgrfin have no interest in learning anything. The truth is of no interest to them and if it happens to get in their way…they just deny it or ignore it. The ends (opposing the SV) justify the means (denial of truth). Liberalism is a sin.

SFD

One minute to compare me to Joe McCarthy who was a fascist, and now you accuse me of sinful liberalism. Where is it written that liberalism is a sin?

prayers for all our posters.

peace

 

[SFD]

I agree with SFD not mgrfin on the topic of this thread, but the only reason it is still going is probably that the moderator is not on line. A moderator or admin usually locks a thread once it reaches 1000 posts.

It was just a little humor…okay, so maybe he was right about one thing.

SFD

 

[mgrfin]

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Prove your assertion. Again—you cannot be your own authority.

St. Thomas Aquinas. The Angelic Doctor. Expert on Aristotle, and the Natural law.

peace

 

[SFD]

One minute to compare me to Joe McCarthy who was a fascist, and now you accuse me of sinful liberalism. Where is it written that liberalism is a sin?

prayers for all our posters.

peace

Liberalism is a Sin
ENGLISHED AND ADAPTED
FROM

THE SPANISH OF DR. DON FELIX SARDA Y SALVANY

BY CONDE B. PALLEN, Ph.D., LL.D.

Nihil Obstat:

F. G. Holweck

Censor Librorum

St. Louis, June 26th, 1899

Imprimatur: +John J. Kain

Archbishop of St. Louis

St. Louis, Missouri

June 30, 1899

PREFACE
In 1886 there appeared in Spain a little work under the title El Liberalismo es Pecado, “Liberalism Is a Sin,” by Don Felix Sarda y Salvany, a priest of Barcelona and editor of a journal called La Revista Popular. The book excited considerable commotion. It was vigorously assailed by the Liberals. A Spanish Bishop of a Liberal turn instigated an answer to Dr. Sarda’s work by way of another Spanish priest. Both books were sent to Rome, praying the Sacred Congregation of the Index to put Dr. Sarda’s work under the ban. The following letter, under date of January 10, 1887, from the Sacred Congregation itself, explains the result of its consideration of the two volumes:

Most Excellent Sir:

The Sacred Congregation of the Index has received the denunciation of the little work bearing the title El Liberalismo es Pecado by Don Felix Sarda y Salvany, a priest of your diocese; the denunciation was accompanied at the same time by another little work, entitled El Proceso del Integrismo, that is, “A refutation of the errors contained in the little work El Liberalismo es Pecado.” The author of the second work is D. de Pazos, a canon of the diocese of Vich.

Whereupon, the Sacred Congregation has carefully examined both works and decided as follows:

**In the first, not only is nothing found contrary to sound doctrine, but its author, D. Felix Sarda, merits great praise for his exposition and defense of the sound doctrine therein set forth with solidity, order and lucidity, and without personal offense to anyone. **

The same judgment, however, cannot be passed on the other work, that by D. de Pazos, for in matter it needs corrections. Moreover, his injurious manner of speaking cannot be approved, for he inveighs rather against the person of D. Sarda than against the latter’s supposed errors.

**Therefore, the Sacred Congregation has commanded D. de Pazos, admonished by his own Bishop, to withdraw his book, as far as he can, from circulation, and in the future, if any discussion of the subject should arise, to abstain from all expressions personally injurious, according to the precept of true Christian charity; and this all the more since Our Holy Father, Leo XIII, whereas he urgently recommends castigation of error, neither desires nor approves expressions personally injurious, especially when directed against those who are eminent for their doctrine and their piety. **

In communicating to you this order of the Sacred Congregation of the Index, that you may be able to make it known to the illustrious priest of your diocese, D. Sarda, for his peace of mind, I pray God to grant you all happiness and prosperity, and subscribe myself with great respect,

Your most obedient servant,

FR. JEROME SECHERI, O.P.

Secretary of the Sacred Congregation Of the Index.

To the Most Rev. Jacobo Catala et Alboso, Bishop of Barcelona

SFD

 

[catharina]

Anything now to avoid an honest argument. Catherina and mgrfin have no interest in learning anything. The truth is of no interest to them and if it happens to get in their way…they just deny it or ignore it. The ends (opposing the SV) justify the means (denial of truth). Liberalism is a sin.

SFD

You call this post of yours ~ just a little humor ~ ? Nice try. I plan to learn nothing but 1) errors and 2) manipulations of Truth from any and all who break with Rome.

 

[Namesake]

One minute to compare me to Joe McCarthy who was a fascist, and now you accuse me of sinful liberalism. Where is it written that liberalism is a sin?

prayers for all our posters.

peace

Joe McCarthy was in no way a fascist. What a nasty claim you make with no backup evidence. Recent thought is much different than you propose. Educate your self a bit.

 

[mgrfin]

SFD

It is laughable what you quote. Something from 19th century Spain. Please spare us.

prayers and charity to all our posters.
peace

 

[mgrfin]

Joe McCarthy was in no way a fascist. What a nasty claim you make with no backup evidence. Recent thought is much different than you propose. Educate your self a bit.

Joe was a right wing conservative. That’s fascism to me, especially after listening to him at the Army/McCarthy hearings. Guilt by innuendo, by attachment, etc. He wanted to repeal the Constitution.

peace

 

[louey]

If Holy Mother Church ever said so, I’d listen. You imagine I would consider you and Maria as experts? That’s a completely ridiculous fanatsy.

It doesn’t take an expert to know a heretic. It only takes the belief in the Catholic faith to know that one is a heretic if he contradicts dogma. Anyone with reason can surmise that praying with 200 or so false religions is an a mortal sin against the first commandment. An affront far more offensive to God than breaking one of the moral commandments. Who ever said I or Maria were experts? Not I, and I do not believe she has ever said she was an expert either, though I can not speak for her. I am a Catholic, that is all.

 

[Namesake]

Joe was a right wing conservative. That’s fascism to me, especially after listening to him at the Army/McCarthy hearings. Guilt by innuendo, by attachment, etc. He wanted to repeal the Constitution.

peace

Your understanding of fascism is deficient. You cannot simply make up your own definitions. And might I add, your understanding of the history is deficient. You cannot simply make up your own history.

 

[Walking_Home]

St. Thomas Aquinas. The Angelic Doctor. Expert on Aristotle, and the Natural law.

peace

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Dropping names does not help you in this respect. You have been proven wrong. So why not admit to it.

 

[mgrfin]

Your understanding of fascism is deficient. You cannot simply make up your own definitions. And might I add, your understanding of the history is deficient. You cannot simply make up your own history.

He was only 48 when he died. Reportedly of alcoholism. He was censured by the Senate. On Wisconsin!

God rest his soul.

peace

 

[Namesake]

He was only 48 when he died. Reportedly of alcoholism. He was censured by the Senate. On Wisconsin!

God rest his soul.

peace

And what is the importance of that?

 

[mgrfin]

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Dropping names does not help you in this respect. You have been proven wrong. So why not admit to it.

You must be on a different thread. No one presented any evidence for or against except me.

Who answered me? Who contradicted me, and with what evidence?

It is like the question of conscience. No one presented any argument, and they are shocked, shocked to learn that you must follow your conscience in all things.

peace