Off subject, I know but you could you provide a source for how ancient Jewish weddings were celebrated. I can find a lot on the internet about how current Jewish weddings line up with ancient practices but I am not finding anything about consumating the marriage.
Maybe Mary and Joseph weren’t “married” in the way the Church, requires it today. Remember, the Church did not exist until years after Joseph was gone…
Now you are really being silly. Do you know the difference between the Church and God?according to half of the catholics here, it is the will of Allah that people must believe that Mary never had sex.
This is nicely stated.
I’d like to hear that bigotry from the Pope himself.
Oh Mr. Ratzinger…yeah i know, i know. its just that hearing it straight from the Pope’s lips on T.V. has that ultra electro exciting effect.
Yeah, TV is pretty exciting!yeah i know, i know. its just that hearing it straight from the Pope’s lips on T.V. has that ultra electro exciting effect.
Can you imagine what warnings and “How uncharitable!”-'s I’d get if I said something like this…???Quote:
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I’d like to hear that bigotry from the Pope himself.
Read Dominus Iesus.
i ia oe. Aloha nui.OK:Read Dominus Iesus.
Keep in mind that this is a faint possibility - not a likelihood.
All who are saved, are ultimately saved by Jesus Christ through His Church. It is, therefore, one thing never to have heard of the doctrine - this person could be saved on the basis that they did the best they could with what they knew - but if someone hears of it, and then rejects it - and especially if he rejects it merely on the grounds that it is a Catholic doctrine, he has done the same thing as to reject the Church, and with it, Christ - thus drastically reducing what was, to begin with, a very faint possibility of salvation.
That’s not the point. The question that was asked was “does salvation require belief in Mary’s perpetual virginity,” not “is salvation likely without a belief in Mary’s perpetual virginity.” The answer to the question is no, it is not a requirement.
Nevertheless, if Catholics are required to believe in Mary’s perpetual virginity, since the Church teaches it, they are also required to believe that it is not an absolute requirement for salvation, since the Church also teaches that.
The requirement is to believe all that the Church teaches, to the best of one’s ability and understanding.
Again, completely irrelevant to the question as it was originally posed. On that question, which was “does salvation require belief in the perpetual virginity of Mary?”, everyone, non-Catholics and Catholics alike, should answer “no” - Catholics especially, since Church doctrine says that salvation is possible without believing anything the Church teaches.
You seem to want to change the question into something like “If one has been taught that Mary was perpetually virgin, then does salvation depend on believing it?”. If you want to debate that question, fine - I expect that on that, opinions of Catholics and non-Catholics may be diametrically opposed. But let’s recognize that that is a different question than the one that was asked.
Ezekiel prophesies that no man shall pass through the gate by which the Lord entered the world. This is a prophecy of Mary’s perpetual virginity. Mary remained a virgin before, during and after the birth of Jesus.
By what you are saying, the cross changes nothing?