Same God?

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Forgive my ignorance as I am still quite new to Christianity, But we as Catholic Christians believe in the Trinity. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirt, ONE GOD. Is that the same case with those who profess a faith in Islam?

God never changes. The Trinity has ALWAYS existed.

Now if Islam does NOT believe in the Trinity, how can the God they worship be THE God? After all, there is only ONE God, throughout all eternity.
 
I know they worship the “God of Abraham” but that’s where the similarity ends.
 
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jediliz:
I know they worship the “God of Abraham” but that’s where the similarity ends.
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Yes, we worship the God of Abraham, who is also the God of Moses, Jesus and Mohamed (peace be upon them all).
 
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love4mary:
Forgive my ignorance as I am still quite new to Christianity, But we as Catholic Christians believe in the Trinity. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirt, ONE GOD. Is that the same case with those who profess a faith in Islam?

God never changes. The Trinity has ALWAYS existed.

Now if Islam does NOT believe in the Trinity, how can the God they worship be THE God? After all, there is only ONE God, throughout all eternity.
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Some people can’t stand George Bush. Some people admire him. Some people may even think he is his father. Does he alter according to people’s ideas about him ?​

If not - why should God ? Muslims and Christians agree on certain ideas about God: the lack of agreement does not show that one group is worshipping God, and that the other is worshipping a dollar bill. Both agree that God denotes a Being about Whom both make similar assertions - the differences don’t mean that they are not both giving Divine worship to the same Being. You may hear the word “airplane” and think of a B-52 bomber; someone else may hear the word “aeroplane”, and think of a Hurricane. Both are the same sort of thing up to a certain point, even if neither of us has the faintest idea of what the other’s aeroplane or airplane is. Even though the words and the descriptions are not identical, we are still talking about the same kind of thing - not about Zeppelins, not about spaceships, not about tanks, not about fish-tanks, not about dollar bills: but about aircraft.

If two Catholics have different mental pictures of God, are they talking about the same Being ?

The analogy breaks down on the fact that God is not a sort of thing - He is not a member of a class of things: He is a wholly unique Being, unlike any other being; though all other beings are like Him, in various ways. That apart, the analogy is useful so far as it goes. “God is greater than our hearts…”, and is God regardless of our thoughts of Him: our formulations about Him should reflect the Reality which He is - they cannot exhaust that reality, or take in all of it, or affect it. ##
 
Yes, love4mary we worship the same God. As you well know and have stated there is only one God (many people claim Muslims worship a different God, but as there is only one God that believe is categorically false), but Catholicism and Islam do have different interpretations of God. Welcome to Catholicism and to the forums!

Peace,

George
 
“I am the way and the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father but through Me.” ~ Jesus Christ

There is indeed one God - and the only path to Him is through Jesus Christ.
 
carol marie said:
“I am the way and the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father but through Me.” ~ Jesus Christ

There is indeed one God - and the only path to Him is through Jesus Christ.
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There is but One God and One Truth in that One God. You can not have many “truths” in this One God.
 
Oh I get it. Yes they worship the One True and ONLY God, they just refuse/deny/reject/have not come to know the Wholeness of God in the Trinity.

Have I got it right?
 
In my opinion, yes, you have it right. I think even Muslims will agree with your statement, however they will claim it is due to the Trinity being false not a denial of God.

Peace,

George
 
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love4mary:
Oh I get it. Yes they worship the One True and ONLY God, they just refuse/deny/reject/have not come to know the Wholeness of God in the Trinity.

Have I got it right?
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Completely correct. That’s what we mean by us not being able to see the nature of God in the same way.
 
If we worship the same God(god) why are Christians prohibited from worshipping in Saudi Arabia?
 
This is one of the few things in Church teaching I don’t get. I don’t really see how we can worship the same God. Our ideas/beliefs about God are so different that the only similarity seems to be that they claim their god is the God of Abraham, ie, the same name. Nonetheless, the Church in Her Wisdom, through the magisterium, has decided the issue, so I bend my neck and knee to Her.
 
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SolaChristo:
If we worship the same God(god) why are Christians prohibited from worshipping in Saudi Arabia?
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They think Islam is the true faith, and thus should be undefiled by outsiders. Non-Muslims bringing in their faith might introduce things which might contradict to Islam.
 
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love4mary:
Oh I get it. Yes they worship the One True and ONLY God, they just refuse/deny/reject/have not come to know the Wholeness of God in the Trinity.
Have I got it right?
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For Catholic we (Christians & Muslims) are worshipping the same God (Jesus).
But from their point of view, I don’t think so as we worship Jesus as God and they worship allah who consider Jesus a prophet.
 
Cyber Knight:
For Catholic we (Christians & Muslims) are worshipping the same God (Jesus).
But from their point of view, I don’t think so as we worship Jesus as God and they worship allah who consider Jesus a prophet.
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We worship Allah who you call “the father”. Alongside him, you also worship Jesus, you call that relation "trinity.

fyi: arab christians say Allah when they refer to God.
 
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Faith101:
We worship Allah who you call “the father”. Alongside him, you also worship Jesus, you call that relation "trinity.

fyi: arab christians say Allah when they refer to God.
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you are not understand trinity my dear. so my point is the most possible reason here 😛
 
Cyber Knight:
you are not understand trinity my dear. so my point is the most possible reason here 😛
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God the father, God the son, and God the holy spirit. All three making the ONE God. Thats basically trinity, three persons, one being.

Muslims believe only God the father is God and Jesus is the messenger of God (ie Jesus was sent by God, the only true God, as a messenger to the people to call them back to the worship of the one true God).

Now this is eternal life: That they may know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. (John 17 3)
 
Faith101 said:
Muslims believe only God the father is God and Jesus is the messenger of God (ie Jesus was sent by God, the only true God, as a messenger to the people to call them back to the worship of the one true God).
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Your statement here just to comform that you do not understand Trinity as the very basic of our faith.
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faith:
fyi: arab christians say Allah when they refer to God.
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I believe soon Christian( those who are using ‘Allah’ as God in Bible) change Allah to Yahwe. There is no more Allah in Bible. Allah was a name of pagan in Mecca. Just because Christian refer to call God by ‘Allah’ (cause living among Muslims) doesnt mean Allah in muslims’ understanding is the same like Allah or Yahwe that we worship.
 
Islam worships the same God, regardless of name, or difference of understand because:
  1. There is only 1 God who is the one God
  2. God does not readily reval through natural means and understanding his trinitarian nature. Until supernatural revelation occured through the Son of God no one knew the Trinitarian nature. And that nature is poorly understood. Augustine said he had a dream of an angel scooping sand from a beach with a teaspoon. the angel told him that he would remove all the sand from the beach before Augustine was able to understand, let alone explain the trinity.
  3. Judaism has not embraced the Trinity. We know that our God is the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob tradition and the mageterium of the the church teach so.
    The Koran talks of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, although the stories have been lifted out of context of the Hebrew scriptures. The Koran says Allah is the same God as the God of Abraham.
  4. Roughly speaking Allah means God in Arabic in a similar way that Yahweh or Elehoim weere Hebrew names of God.
  5. Logically speaking: if I know that the sky has a certain composition of oxygen, CO2, Nitrogen, etc and another man to whom scientific understanding was not granted denies it, I still know that we are speaking of the same sky. So too I logically know that a man who was denied a supernatural understanding I recieved through baptism still has the same natural spiritual description of God that I have, he is speaking of the same God.
I always start my dialouge w/ muslims by agreeing w/ everything I can agree w/. The differences can be discussed in a calm and charitable manner then, especially if the approach is the same on the other end. So if a man tells me he worships my God I don’t say know, I say lets look at that, can it be true.

God Bless and Mary Keep

Joseph
 
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