Same sex attraction

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I think it is natural to reproduce, especially wanting to reproduce (sex). Humans are animal and have instincts. Its natural, and its nature. That is why people get excited for sex because its instinct to want that. That is how a species survives by reproducing. Humans do have the mind set to be able to decide if they do it though. And of course if you believe in God, you supress (control them) the feelings till marriage.

If you don’t believe in God, then you would acknowledge its not sinning to want sex, but rather just natural instinct.
 
I think it is natural to reproduce, especially wanting to reproduce (sex). Humans are animal and have instincts.
That is not all that human are. Human have an intellect and a will. They use their intellect and will when their instinct would have them do something immoral.
Its natural, and its nature.
Are all things natural and in nature, good?
That is why people get excited for sex because its instinct to want that. That is how a species survives by reproducing. Humans do have the mind set to be able to decide if they do it though. And of course if you believe in God, you supress (control them) the feelings till marriage.
One does not control feelings. Feelings come and going without any willing. It is our thoughts, and actions that result from those feelings, that our loving God expects us to control.
If you don’t believe in God, then you would acknowledge its not sinning to want sex, but rather just natural instinct.
 
That is not all that human are. Human have an intellect and a will. They use their intellect and will when their instinct would have them do something immoral.

Are all things natural and in nature, good?

One does not control feelings. Feelings come and going without any willing. It is our thoughts, and actions that result from those feelings, that our loving God expects us to control.
If you don’t believe in God but believe in evolution then you would see the human mind and capabilities as outstanding. Its amazing to have gotten this far if we are able to think the way we do. If you believe in God, then he was the one who gave this to us.

Either way, the want of sex (purpose for reproduction) comes from the psychological instinct of reproducing. It just nature.
 
If you don’t believe in God but believe in evolution then you would see the human mind and capabilities as outstanding. Its amazing to have gotten this far if we are able to think the way we do. If you believe in God, then he was the one who gave this to us.

Either way, the want of sex (purpose for reproduction) comes from the psychological instinct of reproducing. It just nature.
Should you do it whenever you feel like doing it? Why, or why not?
 
Should you do it whenever you feel like doing it? Why, or why not?
That regards a statement I made in my earlier post about having the mentality to make decisions. We have the mentality to know right from wrong and the mentality to understand a whole bunch of things.
 
That regards a statement I made in my earlier post about having the mentality to make decisions. We have the mentality to know right from wrong and the mentality to understand a whole bunch of things.
So, is it right or wrong to give in to the instinct of sex whenever you feel like it?
 
So, is it right or wrong to give in to the instinct of sex whenever you feel like it?
To a human its established that is wrong because the other person might not be consenting, and others have feelings. Notice i never said to act on them. I said to WANT or THINK about sex is normal. Never said anything about acting out on it.
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I know exactly what you’re trying to get at by asking me this question, and I’m saying that it has nothing to do with acting. It has to do with mentality which we have, of morality and understanding feelings. Sex for us should be consenting between two adults for that reason. Other animals, not so much.
 
To a human its established that is wrong because the other person might not be consenting, and others have feelings. Notice i never said to act on them. I said to WANT or THINK about sex is normal. Never said anything about acting out on it.
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I know exactly what you’re trying to get at by asking me this question, and I’m saying that it has nothing to do with acting. It has to do with mentality which we have, of morality and understanding feelings. Sex for us should be consenting between two adults for that reason. Other animals, not so much.
If the “WANTing or THINKing” becomes lustful, then it becomes abnormal (not according to the true nature of a human), and sinful.
 
If the “WANTing or THINKing” becomes lustful, then it becomes abnormal (not according to the true nature of a human), and sinful.
Yeah according to God. That is why I said if you don’t believe in God then it is not considered sinful to the person.
 
Yeah according to God. That is why I said if you don’t believe in God then it is not considered sinful to the person.
That is not very useful logic. Using this logic, all manner of abnormal behavior becomes not sinful.
 
I am new here as today.
I have no authority or as offcial voice for the Catholic church but reply as an individual for beliving in Christ and teaching.

Nr1, Chirst is meaning, Never to do wrong to another person.
If you belive in another religion or non , does not matter, you dont have to belive that Jesus is God, but you should belive and fallow his message to never do wrong.
That is why Jesus is God to a Christian.

One need to widen there horizon when it comes to same sex attraction.
For one that dont feel it or never felt it, it is more or less the worst thing they can think off without beeing fobic but actually beeing genuin and honest.

This is why this topic speaks so harch, involve so many etc.

Same sex attraction is fine when it comes to admire and friendship, it is great to learn and met others to admire and to learn from.

It can be sad for one and family when one person feel love or sexuall attraction to the same sex.

This is for most something, who/*that is not very unreal but truly unreal and impossible to grasp.

therefor the conflict.

Best regards /Carl
 
BlueShadow

*Yeah according to God. That is why I said if you don’t believe in God then it is not considered sinful to the person. *

Sounds like a more than convenient reason not to believe in God, if you’d rather believe in the sin. 🤷
 
BlueShadow

*Yeah according to God. That is why I said if you don’t believe in God then it is not considered sinful to the person. *

Sounds like a more than convenient reason not to believe in God, if you’d rather believe in the sin. 🤷
You obviously are trapped in your mind not being able to understand that not everybody has the same belief you do. It is NOT a sin to them if they do not believe in God. There is no really such thing as sin to most atheists. They know right from wrong, but their right from wrong does not necessarily apply to what God says.

Like homosexuality. They see nothing wrong with it. They believe it should be legalized. If you trust in God and what he says, then you know its a sin because he says so. But if you don’t believe in God, his word does not apply to them.
 
There is a disease, I forget the name, but it causes humans to always be hungry (well, starving actually) regardless of if they have recently consumed the entire all you can eat bar. As you might imagine, it’s a horrible condition, and family members in many cases resort to literally locking up available food, as overeating has both short term as well as long term consequences.

It’s is also said that gluttony is one of the seven deadly sins that will send you to hell for eternity.

Do you think a person with this disease who, because of the disease, is in fact gluttonous would be sent to hell for that?

No, I don’t either.

To me, homosexuality is the same thing. Homosexuals are not responsible for their condition any more than the disease I mentioned above.
You described the medical condition called Prader-Willi Syndrome, a rare genetic disorder that explains insatiable appetite leading to morbid obesity and early death. My cousin’s daughter had said disorder and died at 25. It’s a genuine medical condition not equivalent to the sin of gluttony, which is willful uncurbed craving or lust for food and drink. I doubt that people who suffer the former (a condition) and those who choose the latter (a lifestyle) without repentance would be sent to the same place for eternity on Judgment Day.

It’s relevant that you mentioned the capital sins, gluttony being one of the seven. Gluttony is closely related to greed, the insatiable craving to accumulate money (like Bernard Madoff) and things (Mike Tyson buying a bigger and bigger home), or lust for sex with multiple partners. These are sins, involving immoral acts, and are not diseases. People conveniently remove responsibility from such actions because it would be easier to blame a condition or a disease than to re-direct personal choices towards what is good and beneficial.

As for homosexuality, science has not proven that there is a gene that explains its etiology, notwithstanding all the studies that have been undertaken to date. It cannot be denied that there is a segment in the population with this inclination or feeling of attraction to the same sex. When someone acts on the inclination, there is an element of choice involved. It is wrong, like when someone has an unhealthy proclivity for incest, to which an individual should not give in. Even if two parties consent to engage in an incestuous relationship, it does not mean it is okay to do.

That homosexual behavior is a choice is hard for people to accept because they don’t want it to be true.

Seeker, some posters in this forum may think you put forth clever arguments and analogies in favor of same sex acts. You just wish that you can convince people to just relax their morals and the undeniable natural laws that guide them, so wanton sex with anyone and everyone in unnatural ways, as long as it is consented to, would be made acceptable. This is licentiousness, not real freedom.

Man is the highest of all creation, capable of critical thought and action to a higher level above the ability of beasts, beyond immediate gratification or pleasure.

Whether you wish to face it or not, there is a reward for living a life guided by morals and a price to pay for sins in life after death. It is the consequence of free will, which you and I have.

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That homosexual behavior is a choice is hard for people to accept because they don’t want it to be true.
I don’t deny that behavior is a choice. However, the desire to behave in such a manner is not. Presumably, you have no desire to have homosexual sex. I can tell you that I have no desire, and would turn down an offer were it to be made, as I not only don’t desire homosexual activity, I desire an absence of it.

That said, whether it’s genetic, environmental, or both, it remains a fact that a sub-set of humanity desires same sex contact, some exclusively same sex, and some who go both ways. They did not choose that, and I suspect a good number of them wish they didn’t feel it. A god that creates a desire and then punishes acting on it is petty and cruel, and I don’t believe god is petty or cruel, therefore I cannot believe he will punish homosexuals for acting like homosexuals.

That’s akin to punishing a dog because you were silly enough to put a steak in the middle of the living room floor and he ate it.
 
Seeker

That’s akin to punishing a dog because you were silly enough to put a steak in the middle of the living room floor and he ate it.

False analogy.

We are not dogs.:mad:
 
BlueShadow

You obviously are trapped in your mind not being able to understand that not everybody has the same belief you do.

As you are trapped in yours by believing that as long as there is no God sin does not exist. 😃
 
We are not dogs.:mad:
That was not the point.

A superior being (god) giving an inferior being (a human) homosexual urges and then punishing said human for acting on them is cruel.

Likewise, a superior being (a human) giving an inferior being (the dog) a steak and then punishing him for eating it is as well.

The god I believe in is not cruel.
 
I don’t deny that behavior is a choice. However, the desire to behave in such a manner is not. Presumably, you have no desire to have homosexual sex. I can tell you that I have no desire, and would turn down an offer were it to be made, as I not only don’t desire homosexual activity, I desire an absence of it.

That said, whether it’s genetic, environmental, or both, it remains a fact that a sub-set of humanity desires same sex contact, some exclusively same sex, and some who go both ways. They did not choose that, and I suspect a good number of them wish they didn’t feel it. A god that creates a desire and then punishes acting on it is petty and cruel, and I don’t believe god is petty or cruel, therefore I cannot believe he will punish homosexuals for acting like homosexuals.

That’s akin to punishing a dog because you were silly enough to put a steak in the middle of the living room floor and he ate it.
That some have the urge to have sex with either gender illumines the fact that there is an element of choice there. Having said this, I do understand that people with SSA feel they have no choice about their desire.

You say you don’t desire homosexual activity, but you find justification for it and have no problem with it being promoted. Basing on your posts in this thread and/or other threads on the subject, you align yourself with the push for gay ‘marriage’ in all states, and consensual non-monogamy or sex with multiple partners. You don’t find anything wrong with any of these, because, as you rationalize it, nobody is harmed.

The difficulty is, even if you do not seem to believe in God, you state that God created same sex desire in men and women. The desire to steal is in some men. Would you attribute it to God who put the desire in man? If a man acts on the desire to steal, and gets away with it, do you blame or give the credit to God? I gave the example of the disordered desire to commit incest with a consenting family member in my previous post. Do you blame God that these two consenting family members cross that line?

There are unhealthy emotions and desires, yes. It is a challenge to banish it from our thoughts. We do not have to give in to them. When we act on them, we then justify the actions by saying we did not have a choice?

You know that your analogy about an owner who puts a steak on the floor where his hungry dog would surely go for it, then punishes the dog, is not a good one. Don’t you agree that
Man is capable of critical thought and action to a higher level above the ability of beasts, beyond immediate gratification or pleasure?
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