Same sex battle rages on

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I have no concern with agenda or propaganda.
I see it thus:
Unless, like A Hitler, we consider the final solution, the gays are here to stay.
Though Paul, and Our Lord recommended celibacy, they both admitted that there were those who could not bear such a cross, and those should marry, rather than ‘burn’.
If we, in fairness allow that some gays cannot bear the cross of celibacy, then following Our Lord’s words, and indeed those of Paul, then it is better that some way should be given for those such.
It is obviously better, that like lepers, who live only with lepers, that gays should live only with gays, so that there is no suggestion that contact between gays and straights might contaminate straights or somehow cause a gay to catastrophically enter into a straight relationship.
It is then the least worst solution, that gays should in such matters should form closed relationships, for the same reason that straights do, namely as a quarantine against STDs. Do not forget that STDs amongst the gay population can, and have escaped into the straight population.
What cannot be changed must be endured. Then a way should be found which reduced danger, both to the gays and the straights.
Small closed groups are the safest way. In straights, it is one to one pairing: for gays, pairing is not necessarily the best, but it is the best model we have, though it is essential that the groupings should be small and closed, ‘faithful’ if you like.
 
I have no concern with agenda or propaganda.
I see it thus:
Unless, like A Hitler, we consider the final solution, the gays are here to stay.
Though Paul, and Our Lord recommended celibacy, they both admitted that there were those who could not bear such a cross, and those should marry, rather than ‘burn’.
If we, in fairness allow that some gays cannot bear the cross of celibacy, then following Our Lord’s words, and indeed those of Paul, then it is better that some way should be given for those such.
It is obviously better, that like lepers, who live only with lepers, that gays should live only with gays, so that there is no suggestion that contact between gays and straights might contaminate straights or somehow cause a gay to catastrophically enter into a straight relationship.
It is then the least worst solution, that gays should in such matters should form closed relationships, for the same reason that straights do, namely as a quarantine against STDs. Do not forget that STDs amongst the gay population can, and have escaped into the straight population.
What cannot be changed must be endured. Then a way should be found which reduced danger, both to the gays and the straights.
Small closed groups are the safest way. In straights, it is one to one pairing: for gays, pairing is not necessarily the best, but it is the best model we have, though it is essential that the groupings should be small and closed, ‘faithful’ if you like.
With all due respect, what you’re suggesting is bizarre and is not even remotely in line with Church teaching. Instead we must pray and continue to speak the truth.
 
The gay activists will continue to push their agenda until there are no more gay activists. When will that happen? It likely won’t happen till the return of Christ.
 
With all due respect, what you’re suggesting is bizarre and is not even remotely in line with Church teaching. Instead we must pray and continue to speak the truth.
Yes, I agree, it is bizarre: but it is the least worst solution to a situation which has no good solution.
In this context, tolleration is advocated, not blessing.
Tolleration, that is, without cursing.
Gays are the creation og G_d, so how they behave are also the resposibility of G_d, so how G_d handles this is G_d’s business, and not ours, except in such case as gays behave in a way contrary to the wellfare of ‘straights’.
 
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Bizarre.

What’s the deal with G_d?

How people behave is God’s responsibility? That would deny the notion of free will.

God’s business? God makes his business our business; Christians are his agents on this earth.

“It is then the least worst solution, that gays should in such matters should form closed relationships, for the same reason that straights do, namely as a quarantine against STDs.”

“Straights” form closed relationships for the reason of avoiding STDs?

:confused:

Methinks there are more important reasons; marriage, family, children. That sort of thing. 🙂
 

In this context, tolleration is advocated, not blessing.
Tolleration, that is, without cursing.
Tolerance (one ‘l’) is something we only apply to the bad or undesirable. No one “tolerates” what is good. The call for tolerance (even with 2 l’s) is most revealing.

Besides, tolerance implies limits. It can’t exist without them. Letting people be, no matter what they do, isn’t tolerance. It’s indifference.

Blessings,

Gerry
 
I have no concern with agenda or propaganda.
I see it thus:
Unless, like A Hitler, we consider the final solution, the gays are here to stay.
Though Paul, and Our Lord recommended celibacy, they both admitted that there were those who could not bear such a cross, and those should marry, rather than ‘burn’.
If we, in fairness allow that some gays cannot bear the cross of celibacy, then following Our Lord’s words, and indeed those of Paul, then it is better that some way should be given for those such.
It is obviously better, that like lepers, who live only with lepers, that gays should live only with gays, so that there is no suggestion that contact between gays and straights might contaminate straights or somehow cause a gay to catastrophically enter into a straight relationship.
It is then the least worst solution, that gays should in such matters should form closed relationships, for the same reason that straights do, namely as a quarantine against STDs. Do not forget that STDs amongst the gay population can, and have escaped into the straight population.
What cannot be changed must be endured. Then a way should be found which reduced danger, both to the gays and the straights.
Small closed groups are the safest way. In straights, it is one to one pairing: for gays, pairing is not necessarily the best, but it is the best model we have, though it is essential that the groupings should be small and closed, ‘faithful’ if you like.
Color me confused… I mean, I’m as pro-letting-consenting-adults-get-with-the-getting-on as can be, but this is just freaky. Seriously, gay concentration camps? Quarantines? You don’t catch the gay if you’re sneezed on by some guy wearing a feather boa, you know. It’s not a communicable disease.

Also, Newbie2 – the ‘G_d’ thing is a way of showing respect, mostly a Jewish practice but it’s been catching on with some Christians. The idea is that you don’t want to write something that holy on something transitory, like a piece of paper that might be thrown out or burned.
 
:confused:

Bizarre.

What’s the deal with G_d?

How people behave is God’s responsibility? That would deny the notion of free will.
Not entirely. G_d has designed us such that we cannot fly withut artificial means. Thus that we do not so fly is nothing to do with free will, but is entirely the responsibilty of G_d.
God’s business? God makes his business our business; Christians are his agents on this earth.
G-d’s business is only our busines when it impinges upon us.
“It is then the least worst solution, that gays should in such matters should form closed relationships, for the same reason that straights do, namely as a quarantine against STDs.”
“Straights” form closed relationships for the reason of avoiding STDs?
Methinks there are more important reasons; marriage, family, children. That sort of thing. 🙂
Other schemes have been successfully used, including poligamy and poliandry. Also in situations wher the isolation of populations involves the risk of genetic inbreeding, deliberate interbreeding with accidental sojourners is/was encouraged.
Geneticly, the one on one system that is now generally accepted, is not the ideal as it causes genetic poverty if not carefully managed, ie laws against incest.
All traditional mating institutions do have a tendency to closedness, and this does indeed, even in cases of poligamy or poliandry, give some protection against STDs, but the best protection comes from the one to one relationship, even though it carries the risk of genetic poverty.
We can see how STDs spread like wildfire in countries where closed breeding units are not the rule.
 
What is wrong with wanting to be buried with/next to a loved one when you die and having the same tax breaks as other married couples?
 
I have no concern with agenda
Though Paul, and Our Lord recommended celibacy, they both admitted that there were those who could not bear such a cross, and those should marry, rather than ‘burn’.
Hola,

I think that you may be misusing this above passage. Marriage, allows you to have sexual relief – it does not guarantee that the sex is great or frequent to your satisfaction. People who are married, still have STRONG sexual desires for people other than their partner – one reason why the divorce rate is so high. For them to act on that STRONG feeling is considered adultery (a sin).

 
What is wrong with wanting to be buried with/next to a loved one when you die and having the same tax breaks as other married couples?
Nothing. But that’s not what constitutes the radical Homosexual lobby’s major goal, which is to force acceptance through whatever means necessary; legal, “moral”, societal, etc. As said previously, the activism won’t stop until that is accomplished.

Success is achieved for them incrementally. First we have the “leave me alone as long as I stay in the closet” rhetoric. Then it’s “we’re just like everyone else”. Then it’s the funny gay character foil in a movie, then a television series character, then a television channel, et. al.

The so-called “gay” lifestyle gets normalized first, then they start demanding “rights”. The right not to be criticized; make it a “hate crime” when you speak out against them.

So, as Catholic Christians, we have to be very careful to separate the sin from the sinner, and not to be Pharasees. Our response has to be measured, but firm.
 
The problem with these campaigns is that they are part of an aim to force acceptance of homosexuality on the churches. In the UK Catholic adoption agencies are being prevented from operating since they will not place children with gays. Even individual foster parents are being refused children unless they agree to teach them that gay lifestyles are normal.

The idea is to try to force Christians to refute their faith and offer Gay weddings, adoption, allow gay publicity events in their buildings, and promote the gay lifestyle generally. If being “gay” is presented as a minority-rights issue rather than one of lifestyle-choice, then Churches and Christians can be dragooned into supporting behaviour contrary to their teachings under the banner of non-discrimination.

guardian.co.uk/gayrights/story/0,2196867,00.html
 
Hola,

I think that you may be misusing this above passage. Marriage, allows you to have sexual relief – it does not guarantee that the sex is great or frequent to your satisfaction. People who are married, still have STRONG sexual desires for people other than their partner – one reason why the divorce rate is so high. For them to act on that STRONG feeling is considered adultery (a sin).

I agree. JPII also addresses this passage from Paul in his Theology of the Body. When you look at the context and intent of Paul, he clearly wasn’t recommmending marriage just to alleviate lust but a holy sacramental marriage to bring us back to the original intent of sexuality (desire in a self-donating type of way not a lustful way). Anyway, JP II and Christopher West (in his Theology of the Body Explained) explain it far better than I.
 
I agree. JPII also addresses this passage from Paul in his Theology of the Body. When you look at the context and intent of Paul, he clearly wasn’t recommmending marriage just to alleviate lust but a holy sacramental marriage to bring us back to the original intent of sexuality (desire in a self-donating type of way not a lustful way). Anyway, JP II and Christopher West (in his Theology of the Body Explained) explain it far better than I.
I think here we are slipping into ‘special pleading’
Paul’s words and meanings are abundantly clear.
There are some humans who, without sexual release, will begin to malfunction. This is a fact of life. It is a fact accepted also by Our Lord.
Paul and Our Lord were offereing a means of directing this potentially destructive force into a productive direction.
Now obviously the option of a productive use is not available to homosexual couples, but at least they can direct that force in a non damaging direction.
It is not a good solution, but it is at least a least worst solution.
The ancient command comes to mind: ‘Firstly, do no harm!’
 
Nothing. But that’s not what constitutes the radical Homosexual lobby’s major goal, which is to force acceptance through whatever means necessary; legal, “moral”, societal, etc. As said previously, the activism won’t stop until that is accomplished.
It is quite sad that they have to resort to that to get things that others take for granted.
Success is achieved for them incrementally. First we have the “leave me alone as long as I stay in the closet” rhetoric. Then it’s “we’re just like everyone else”. Then it’s the funny gay character foil in a movie, then a television series character, then a television channel, et. al.
You forgot a couple like “please dont arrest me for being gay or because you think that I am” and “please dont beat/kill me for being gay or because you think that I am”.
The so-called “gay” lifestyle gets normalized first, then they start demanding “rights”. The right not to be criticized; make it a “hate crime” when you speak out against them.
Its quite sad that they had to demand rights in the first place, its also sad that such a law as “hate crimes” has to exist and are necessary.

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Its just a pity that there are those who cant/dont make that seperation.
 
What exactly IS the gay agenda? I hear a lot of it on the news…but does anyone really know what it entails? Is it being treated equally…or being given the right to marriage, etc? I’m not naive…I just would like to hear once and for all…maybe a few bullet points, of what this agenda is?
 
What exactly IS the gay agenda?
I did a search and came across this:

The Gay Agenda.

By L.

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I hear a lot of it on the news…but does anyone really know what it entails? Is it being treated equally…or being given the right to marriage, etc? I’m not naive…I just would like to hear once and for all…maybe a few bullet points, of what this agenda is?
In all seriousness, though, it really depends on the “gay” you’re talking to. To be honest, I don’t like to let others define what other people think or believe (letting others tell me what people believe kept me out of the Church for years!..once I investigated what the Church says, I became Catholic), so I tend to take people at their word when they say what they want. Most of the time, I hear about gay people wanting to have the legal ability to “marry” one another. The Church opposes gay “marriage,” so I am obliged to so do, but I do believe in non-discrimination laws to protect persons with same-sex attraction (gay or not) in employment and housing with exceptions for religious organizations and laws that increase penalties for violence against persons with same-sex attraction (again, gay or not).

To define what I mean by saying “same-sex attraction (gay or not),” I mean to say a person who is attracted to members of the same sex whether or not they act on it (gay) or struggle to be chaste (not gay).

Yeah, I know, that makes me a flaming liberal. Whatever. 🤷
 
What exactly IS the gay agenda? I hear a lot of it on the news…but does anyone really know what it entails? Is it being treated equally…or being given the right to marriage, etc? I’m not naive…I just would like to hear once and for all…maybe a few bullet points, of what this agenda is?
As far as I can tell the gay “agenda” essentally comes down to gay people wanting to be treated like other human beings in society. Like not being fired from their job simply because they are gay, being able to “marry” the person that they love and having the same rights and responsibilities as other “married” couples, not being arrested and jailed for being gay, being free from persicution and other such things that “normal” people take for granted.

Of course there are extreme elements involved, but that is true of every group/organisation/agenda.
 
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