Same sex battle rages on

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whatevergirl said:
What exactly IS the gay agenda? I hear a lot of it on the news…but does anyone really know what it entails? Is it being treated equally…or being given the right to marriage, etc? I’m not naive…I just would like to hear once and for all…maybe a few bullet points, of what this agenda is?
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The gay agenda is to get gay marriage legalized in all 50 states and basically to be given special rights. Some of them would have preaching against homosexuality to be a hate crime. That is how far some of them are willing to go. 😦 :mad:
 
Holly3278 said:
The gay agenda is to get gay marriage legalized in all 50 states and basically to be given special rights. Some of them would have preaching against homosexuality to be a hate crime. That is how far some of them are willing to go. 😦 :mad:
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Thank you all for your insights, and replies…I’m truly not naive…I just hear different variations on the term agenda, so it makes me question. What I’m about to say will probably sound not so popular on a Catholic board. I was raised Catholic and I’m a devout Catholic. What I see a problem with, is people living immorally, and receiving Communion. I lived an immoral life at one point in my life…and I did not receive Communion. Why do I bring this up? Because that is the only real big problem I see with the ‘gay agenda.’ I don’t think that from a legal standpoint, we can tell people who they can/should marry, and somehow, not be dictating a particular religious viewpoint. I don’t know if what I’m trying to say is coming out correctly…but, I believe that if two people love one another, then it is between them and God. I don’t look at this topic, as I look at abortion for example–the killing of innocent life. Now, I do believe that when one follows an immoral lifestyle, he/she is killing his/her soul…but, is it up to us to dictate to another person, how he/she lives his/her life? I think that by example, we can lead people to Christ, and by that leading…hopefully, one will turn from living an immoral lifestyle.

The present argument (one which includes gays marrying will deter heterosexual marriages) against gays marrying will not deter it. People need to be led to Christ, and that’s pretty much how I feel about it. I am not advocating it, by any stretch, but I don’t think that state/government law, should step in with this situation. Abortion, yes–they should ban that…or at least make it that unless the mother’s life is in danger, than it can be used. But, abortion is a matter of life and death…and I’m pro life. Abortion also begs the question of morality, as well. But, the gay lifestyle…no, I don’t advocate it…I think that God finds it sinful…but when it comes to the ethical treatment of another human being–his/her lifestyle should not come into play.

Ok…let the tomato throwing begin.:o I hope you all know where I’m coming from. I’m not by any means a ‘cafeteria Catholic,’ or a liberal Catholic…I’m actually pretty conservative. But, I’ve looked at this issue from all angles, and although I see the harm of such a lifestyle, I look at it more pragmatically…which when creating laws, etc…should be the consideration.
 
I should have added too, that if the RCC starts marrying people of same sexes, then I would have a huge issue with that…because that violates God’s laws. So, that being said…if someone of the same sex goes down to the local JOP, and gets a marriage certificate…so what? Their marriage is not valid in the eyes of God–NO MORE THAN IF A HETEROSEXUAL PERSON DID IT.
How many people do we know who are in invalid marriages? Many. But, we somehow ‘overlook’ them because they are heterosexuals…suddenly it makes a huge difference if the two people caught up in an invalid marriage are of the same sex? I have to ask…why does it matter to a Catholic if two people are of opposite gender, or if they are of the same gender…if the marriage is invalid? And it will ALWAYS BE INVALID, in the eyes of the Catholic Church.:twocents:
 
Holly3278 said:
The gay agenda is to get gay marriage legalized in all 50 states and basically to be given special rights. Some of them would have preaching against homosexuality to be a hate crime. That is how far some of them are willing to go. 😦 :mad:
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and lets not forget it (gay agenda) is also out to indoctrinate our children into believeing something that is morally wrong is A.O.K.:mad:
 
wifeandmomoftwo said:
and lets not forget it (gay agenda) is also out to indoctrinate our children into believeing something that is morally wrong is A.O.K.:mad:
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My personal agenda is to prevent them from the lifestyle but not to have them worry about guilt over same sex attraction. I don’t want to see one child even think of suicide just because they find their own gender attractive. Just choose the single life in that case.
 
goofyjim said:
My personal agenda is to prevent them from the lifestyle but not to have them worry about guilt over same sex attraction. I don’t want to see one child even think of suicide just because they find their own gender attractive. Just choose the single life in that case.
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thats lovely but that is not what children in public schools are being taught!
 
It is said, all men were created equal. If men are equal, as is the case, then let all men be treated equally. Equal laws for equal people. But if they believe they are less normal, then let them convince society that they are less normal, and so let society make special laws for less normal people.
 
agangbern said:
It is said, all men were created equal. If men are equal, as is the case, then let all men be treated equally. Equal laws for equal people. But if they believe they are less normal, then let them convince society that they are less normal, and so let society make special laws for less normal people.
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I have been fired for being a transsexal/intersexed person. I did not flaunt my status, I did not flirt with anyone, I did not cause any sort of ruckus. They found my status by doing background checks on me, it wasn’t anything I ever spoke of outloud, it was a process the employer executed themselves.

There is no legal recourse I have for this sort of firing. I know, I have looked and looked, talked to many lawyers, even talked to places like the ACLU (eek). They have all informed me I have absolutely nothing I can do. I have been homeless for months at a time because of firings like this. It has happened many, many times.

Are you trying to tell me that this is okay? I just want to be able to hold down a job. Is that so much to ask? I have chosen homelessness at times rather than be a leach on the system. I refuse to go on welfare, I am completely capable of work, but it hard to find people that will LET me work.

Doesn’t that seem wrong to you? How is wanting to work, a SPECIAL right? The unemployment rate for people like me is somewhere around 50-70%. There is no way to accurately measure it, because so many of us are homeless. So we don’t have phones or any way to collect data on us. I WANT to be a productive member of society, but society doesn’t care for me and forces me out.
 
Pathia.

are you not protected under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Title VII), which prohibits employment discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin??
eeoc.gov/types/sex.html
 
wifeandmomoftwo said:
Pathia.

are you not protected under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Title VII), which prohibits employment discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin??
eeoc.gov/types/sex.html
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No.

edit: Let me clarify that. I have never been fired for my race, my color, my religion, my sex, or national origin.

I have been fired because I am intersexed/transsexual. That is not any one of those qualities. It has been held up in court multiple times that discrimination against a transsexual is not sexual discrimination.
 
wifeandmomoftwo said:
thats lovely but that is not what children in public schools are being taught!
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I’m curious as to where homosexuality is being taught in public schools? I know that in CA, there are some schools who teach this during health class, but I have lived in PA, and now here in Florida–and it’s not being taught. I only think that health should be taught–I don’t think that my kids or any others, need to be taught the ‘mechanics’ of sex, either from a hetero or homosexual view, because it swerves in the face of morality, and I do NOT want the school teaching my kids their version of morality. When I was a kid, we learned about sexually transmitted diseases, menstruation, pregnancy, but not about ‘lifestyles’ or alternative lifetsyles. I don’t think it’s necessary to learn lifestyle ‘choices,’ from school.
 
wifeandmomoftwo said:
why not? are you not being discriminated becuase of your sex?
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I edited my reply.

It has been held up by the courts that discrimination against a transsexual is NOT the same as sex discrimination.

We are considered mentally ill according to all medical communities and definitions, however we are also excluded from the ADA (Americans with Disablities Act).

So we are excluded both from Title VII and from the 1990 ADA. There are no laws at the federal level that protect me in any way shape or form.
 
whatevergirl said:
I’m curious as to where homosexuality is being taught in public schools? I know that in CA, there are some schools who teach this during health class, but I have lived in PA, and now here in Florida–and it’s not being taught. I only think that health should be taught–I don’t think that my kids or any others, need to be taught the ‘mechanics’ of sex, either from a hetero or homosexual view, because it swerves in the face of morality, and I do NOT want the school teaching my kids their version of morality. When I was a kid, we learned about sexually transmitted diseases, menstruation, pregnancy, but not about ‘lifestyles’ or alternative lifetsyles. I don’t think it’s necessary to learn lifestyle ‘choices,’ from school.
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It is creeping up all over the place…CA, MA, IL, MD are few places
 
pathia said:
I edited my reply.

It has been held up by the courts that discrimination against a transsexual is NOT the same as sex discrimination.

We are considered mentally ill according to all medical communities and definitions, however we are also excluded from the ADA (Americans with Disablities Act).

So we are excluded both from Title VII and from the 1990 ADA. There are no laws at the federal level that protect me in any way shape or form.
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Jurisdictions with Transgender Explicit Non-Discrimination Laws
States: 13 + D.C. (California, Colorado, D.C., Hawaii, Illinois, Iowa, Maine,
Minnesota, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont,
Washington)transgenderlaw.org/resources/transfactsheet.pdf

Perhaps it is time to move?
 
wifeandmomoftwo said:
Jurisdictions with Transgender Explicit Non-Discrimination Laws
States: 13 + D.C. (California, Colorado, D.C., Hawaii, Illinois, Iowa, Maine,
Minnesota, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont,
Washington)transgenderlaw.org/resources/transfactsheet.pdf
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I don’t live in any of those states. I am working on moving to them, but seeing as when you’re homeless often, and unemployable, getting money to move is…difficult. I don’t own a car or anything. I use the local library to post here, that’s why I post in such a flurry, and then vanish for days at a time.
 
wifeandmomoftwo said:
you are very welcome…I hope it helps you!
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It will, none of those companies are close by so the car is still a problem, but even having a little more hope is an improvement.

However, I can’t help but be depressed that my solution is to move away from where I’ve lived my entire life. It, to be perfectly honest, sucks and doesn’t seem fair. I don’t hurt anyone, I don’t want to hurt anyone, I just want to live my life, you know?
 
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