Same sex battle rages on

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In this sue happy society of ours we would have heard and heard and heard of it.
Let’s try this again. I have stated multiple times in this thread that I PERSONALLY have been fired for being intersexed/transsexual and/or perceived of as gay.

It is NOT a myth. It has happened to me, personally, over half a dozen times. I have been made HOMELESS by lack of job security because of people that continually fired me for my ‘lifestyle’.
 
Let’s try this again. I have stated multiple times in this thread that I PERSONALLY have been fired for being intersexed/transsexual and/or perceived of as gay.

It is NOT a myth. It has happened to me, personally, over half a dozen times. I have been made HOMELESS by lack of job security because of people that continually fired me for my ‘lifestyle’.
What were their reasons for firing you, may I ask? And I’m sorry you have gone through this.😦
 
What were their reasons for firing you, may I ask? And I’m sorry you have gone through this.😦
Things like ‘Your personal condition is not conducive to productive employment with this organization’ or ‘We cannot risk forcing you into either the male or female bathrooms at this organization, so we have to let you go to prevent us from getting sued’

Those were the most common. Note, that they didn’t know anything about me until they conducted a background check. I didn’t tell them myself, it’s something they find out by investigating and burrowing into my personal past. Ie: I am not out and proud at work or anything, they had no clue until the results of that investigation came back.
 
Things like ‘Your personal condition is not conducive to productive employment with this organization’ or ‘We cannot risk forcing you into either the male or female bathrooms at this organization, so we have to let you go to prevent us from getting sued’

Those were the most common. Note, that they didn’t know anything about me until they conducted a background check. I didn’t tell them myself, it’s something they find out by investigating and burrowing into my personal past. Ie: I am not out and proud at work or anything, they had no clue until the results of that investigation came back.
what type of investigation? I have had background checks done, and I don’t think my sexuality ever came into question? They are not allowed to go into your medical information…seriously, they are not. This information would only be confided between you and your dr, no??? Unless you apply for life insurance, then it can come up–but with an employer, I’m just curious as to what they were checking???:mad: It makes me mad when I hear these things…people breaking the EEO laws every day, and no lawyers willing to deal with it???
 
This is absolutely incredible :bigyikes:! Some days ago I started what I thought would be a *maverick *thread on homosexuality: whether or not someone’s stance on it depends on a belief in God, as well as the serious implications of both. For nearly an hour I worked on the first post to it, trying my utmost to make it so perfect that I could stimulate a lively – and productive – debate on this rather emotional topic. I thought that if I started a thread that was so dang original – one that got right to the root of the issue – I would attract both sides to come on and truly debate.

What did get? The only people who came to the thread (God bless 'em for at least showing up at my party) were pretty much on the Church’s side, and since just about NO ONE from the “Gay-rights” side came, the thread ended after a page or two and didn’t amount to much.

BUT WOW! Here someone pasted two measly news articles, and now we have four full pages of threadiness, yet, it’s curiously dominated by the “other” side!!!

I’ve been searching for months on these forums for a conclusive answer to the Gay-Question [or Same Sex Attraction Question…whatever], and this is all I get!

Selfish…maybe

Disenchanted with the forums…:hmmm:

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :dts:
 
what type of investigation? I have had background checks done, and I don’t think my sexuality ever came into question? They are not allowed to go into your medical information…seriously, they are not. This information would only be confided between you and your dr, no??? Unless you apply for life insurance, then it can come up–but with an employer, I’m just curious as to what they were checking???:mad: It makes me mad when I hear these things…people breaking the EEO laws every day, and no lawyers willing to deal with it???
In any background check I am required to disclose any previous names I have had. This includes my name from birth, a name that does not fit my gender.

They just add two and two together at that point.
 
In any background check I am required to disclose any previous names I have had. This includes my name from birth, a name that does not fit my gender.

They just add two and two together at that point.
You have a lawsuit…keep fighting this…someone out there will take your case. You have to fight this…it’s not right. I feel so badly for you…I have watched documentaries about this, and it makes me feel terribly sad for people in your situation. I think you shouldn’t give up on this, pathia.😦 (I’m not saying you have, I’m just saying…)
 
You have a lawsuit…keep fighting this…someone out there will take your case. You have to fight this…it’s not right. I feel so badly for you…I have watched documentaries about this, and it makes me feel terribly sad for people in your situation. I think you shouldn’t give up on this, pathia.😦 (I’m not saying you have, I’m just saying…)
All those job terminations are over a year old at this point. I talked to the ACLU itself, they cannot sue on the grounds of termination for being transsexual in this state. There is settled case law that would automatically fall against me.

The only solution is to move out of Virginia, which I working on doing.
 
All those job terminations are over a year old at this point. I talked to the ACLU itself, they cannot sue on the grounds of termination for being transsexual in this state. There is settled case law that would automatically fall against me.

The only solution is to move out of Virginia, which I working on doing.
That’s horrible. I don’t what to say.😦
 
Sure they are. Just becuase someone can not give consent does not mean that Joe and Jane should not be protected because of their sexual preferences.
Well that makes a lot of sense and shows that the issues are comparable.
I mean where does the speical treatment end Pathia? If it is good enough for one group then you better believe another group is going to demand the same special treatment!
It is a nasty circle and it never ends!!!
What you mean like women getting the “right” to vote and African-Americans being able to got to the same schools as others?
Nope…I am just asking when does the special treatment stop?
I guess when we as a society grow up and stop putting down segments of our society.

Other than that, what “special treatment” are you on about exactly?
 
Dang it. I thought someone would respond to the aforementioned rant I just made. 😊 Oh wwwwwweh-h-h-h-h-h-h-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l–l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l, I guess no one knows where it is 🤷

BUT… don’t worry folks, I’ve made five links to it…

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Now my haughtiness can be HEARD :rolleyes:!

(if you click on the second and third links, they’ll turn purple afterwards and you’ll get a nice color pattern going 😉 😛 😉 😛 ;)!
 
My point exactly. You can force anyone to approve of another persons actions of beliefs.
What exactly is being forced?
In this sue happy society of ours we would have heard and heard and heard of it.
So you hear about every law suite that happens then?

Besides that, not everybody sues and I was talking in a past and present tense.
It is not a right. It is an option.
It is an option to get fired from a job for being gay?

That doesnt even make sense!!!
Remember them they are the fruit of a marriage. Two persons of the same sex can not produce fruit.
Yeah I know what they are, I was jost wondering what that has to do with two gay people wanting to get married. But apparently you dont have to be married to produce that kind of fruit.
As the fruit of a marriage they are the reason for the need of stability. God made woman for man and they may be blessed with children. And no not all unions are so blessed. But, then we should leave this decision up to God for He creates the soul.
Is there some kind of obscure law that states that you must have children if you get married?

I wasnt talking about children (I didnt even mention children) and I dont see how exactly that is relevent to the issue of two people wanting to get married. If I said wanting to get married AND have children, then you might be on to something. But I didnt.
Phelps will answer to God when his time comes. He is the other end of the spectrum that hate comes from.
So like I said, he would be an example of an extremest.
When one person is so extreme and s/he cries out loud alone we know their name. When a crowd protests we only know them by their cause.
So as I said, there are extremest in all affiliations.
 
😛 I read it…I didn’t know you wanted a reply.😃
I’ll be perfectly honest. I’m just disillusioned with these forums, frustrated with this issue, and nothing more. Heck, when you can refute practically any argument from both sides without having a conclusive answer yourself, to say the least it is frustrating, and then on top of it all the threads I myself have tried to start on it have been inconclusive…So, I guess I’m just at the point where I want to make absolute sure that all other human beings have the anatomical capacity to read the few posts I make.

How you’re supposed to help? How you’re supposed to respond? I’ll admit: I actually don’t know, I’m frustrated, I’m tired, I wanna to go sleep, where’s my pillow?
 
I’ll be perfectly honest. I’m just disillusioned with these forums, frustrated with this issue, and nothing more. Heck, when you can refute practically any argument from both sides without having a conclusive answer yourself, to say the least it is frustrating, and then on top of it all the threads I myself have tried to start on it have been inconclusive…So, I guess I’m just at the point where I want to make absolute sure that all other human beings have the anatomical capacity to read the few posts I make.

How you’re supposed to help? How you’re supposed to respond? I’ll admit: I actually don’t know, I’m frustrated, I’m tired, I wanna to go sleep, where’s my pillow?
Aw…don’t despair. I have started threads that have led nowhere before, and others that have more posters replying…no rhyme or reason.

I was joking by the way…that I was supposed to reply. LOL Ok, now, where’s my pillow. 😛

I used to live in PA, by the way…moved not too long ago. I wish you a good night.
 
I’m not sure why there is an impression in so many that you cannot fire someone without good reason. The vast majority of people employed in the U.S. are “at-will” employees that can be fired for any reason, or for no reason at all, except that if the company is bound by the non-discrimination laws they cannot fire someone for one of those reasons.

So without non-discrimination laws an employer is perfectly free to tell a gay employee that he is fired, give any excuse or no excuse, or even admit it is because of orientation. If there is no law against it there is nothing that can be done. In some states you might be able to construct a generalized public policy argument against this type of discrimination, but if the state has tried and failed to add orientation to its non-discrimination laws you will never win a public policy based argument.

19 states have laws banning this type of discrimination, 31 do not. There is no federal law, but the House has passed a bill to create such a law. That bill in its current form would not cover people like pathia.

As for Title VII, there were some attempts to stretch Title VII to cover gay people by arguing it was discrimination against people for the gender of person they choose to pair with, but they have failed. There has been some limited success using Title VII to counter what is referred to as “gender norming” which is discrimination based on the perception that someone does not conform to culturally accepted gender norms, such as a woman who dresses manish, or an effeminate man. In recent years the courts have made clear that whatever the boundaries of gender norming violations, they will not stretch to reach transgender or orientation discrimination.

So you can argue whether adding gay people to these laws is a good idea or not, but its simply objectively false to say it would have no effect on their ability to gain and maintain employment.
 
What exactly is being forced? The point is nothing it is impossible to require one human being to accept every other human beings actions.Law or no law.

So you hear about every law suite that happens then? When it is based on sexual discrimination the ACLU and news media blast it out 24 hours a day. So yes even when we don’t want to hear about it.

Besides that, not everybody sues and I was talking in a past and present tense.

It is an option to get fired from a job for being gay? In at will states you can be fired for any reason and/or no reason. If the boss does not like your shoes or fingernail polish you can be fired.

That doesn’t even make sense!!! Read the Holy Bible it is the children that are the fruit of a marriage of a man and a woman.

Yeah I know what they are, I was jost wondering what that has to do with two gay people wanting to get married. But apparently you dont have to be married to produce that kind of fruit. One sin does not justify another sin.

Is there some kind of obscure law that states that you must have children if you get married? God’s law says you must be “open” to having children. If you have children or don’t have children when you are married is up to God.

I wasnt talking about children (I didnt even mention children) and I dont see how exactly that is relevent to the issue of two people wanting to get married. If I said wanting to get married AND have children, then you might be on to something. But I didnt.

So like I said, he would be an example of an extremest. People of his ilk are so rare that you know his name because of his actions and uniqueness. IMHO he is evil. But then it is my opinion only.

So as I said, there are extremest in all affiliations. Yes some even try to proselytize and argue with others on religious forums and in churches where their actions are considered to be sins.Some protest at any and all funerals and other private forms of mourning. It is a sad situation. /quote]
 
The point is nothing it is impossible to require one human being to accept every other human beings actions.Law or no law.
What exactly is your point about?

There isnt a situation where this is happening.
When it is based on sexual discrimination the ACLU and news media blast it out 24 hours a day. So yes even when we don’t want to hear about it.
Ah, sarcasm.
In at will states you can be fired for any reason and/or no reason. If the boss does not like your shoes or fingernail polish you can be fired.
So you have the option to be fired for being gay?
Read the Holy Bible it is the children that are the fruit of a marriage of a man and a woman.
What exactly does that have to do with having the option to be fired for being gay?
One sin does not justify another sin.
What has that got to do with two gay people getting married, or even parents having children out of wedlock?
God’s law says you must be “open” to having children. If you have children or don’t have children when you are married is up to God.
Is that a “yes” or a “no”?
People of his ilk are so rare that you know his name because of his actions and uniqueness. IMHO he is evil. But then it is my opinion only.
An extremist. Why is that so hard to admit/state that?
. Yes some even try to proselytize and argue with others on religious forums and in churches where their actions are considered to be sins.Some protest at any and all funerals and other private forms of mourning. It is a sad situation. /quote]
Please dont start with the name calling or such baseless accusations. It ruins things for everybody.
 
Elric…

Can I ask…do you eqaute the rights that homosexuals are asking for and their battle to get them as equal to the civil rights movement? or perhaps the womans suffrage movement?
 
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