Same sex marriage and the various views in Christianity.

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Stephen168 said:
Yes, see post #4. A Christian marriage is between one woman and one man. Augustine said it was the best marriage. See post #70.

It is clear that you have cherry picked quotes to conform to your polygamist agenda from Augustine and Martin Luther.

Same-sex unions are not marriage and never have been.
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When you think about it, I’m sure we would agree that it really doesn’t matter what Saint Augustine or Marin Luther believed regarding polygamy. What matters is what God reveals in the Scriptures on the subject of polygamy. I think Augustine and Luther looked to the Scriptures for their view on polygamy. My conclusion is the same as theirs… when we consider all of the Scriptures on the topic. The Prophets, the Apostles, and Jesus never condemned polygamy. The Bible is full of incentous and polygamous marriages which are never condemned.
 
Christian_Unity said:
When you think about it, I’m sure we would agree that it really doesn’t matter what Saint Augustine or Marin Luther believed regarding polygamy. What matters is what God reveals in the Scriptures on the subject of polygamy. I think Augustine and Luther looked to the Scriptures for their view on polygamy. My conclusion is the same as theirs… when we consider all of the Scriptures on the topic. The Prophets, the Apostles, and Jesus never condemned polygamy. The Bible is full of incentous and polygamous marriages which are never condemned.
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Christ defined marriage as one man and one woman; therefore he condemned polygamy and divorce. See post #4.

A Christian marriage is between one man and one woman.

Same-sex unions are not marriage.
 
Stephen168 said:
Christ defined marriage as one man and one woman; therefore he condemned polygamy and divorce. See post #4.

A Christian marriage is between one man and one woman.

Same-sex unions are not marriage.
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Go back to that verse because it’s not about defining marriage. Jesus was addressing divorce. If you think Jesus condemned polygamy, please post the Scripture proof to defend your view. Here is what I’m talking about regarding a biblical defense:

biblepolygamy.com/
 
Reuben_J said:
I think I’ve given them in my earlier posts.

Abraham (Sarah and Hagar —> Isaac and Ishmael), King David (Bathsheba —> Absalom, Amnon, Tamar, etc), King Solomon.

I can understand why St Augustine said that considering his earlier life. I take pain to say this but the saints and the ancient patriarchs and kings, though our fore-fathers, they were not always right.🤷
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Polygamy was probably “allowed” by God because the morality rate for young males was high and the purpose of marriage, to quote NOM is to protect women and civilize men.

Polygamy in the OT was a way for widows and children to be cared for family or close persons I suppose for their protection, not for the sexual pleasure of adults.
 
JonNC said:
Luther on polygamy

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Thanks for sharing Jon! 👍

In today’s society, the correlation of polygamy to child abuse, incest, forced marriage and even disease to some extent cannot be denied.
 
Christian_Unity said:
Go back to that verse because it’s not about defining marriage. Jesus was addressing divorce. If you think Jesus condemned polygamy, please post the Scripture proof to defend your view. Here is what I’m talking about regarding a biblical defense:

biblepolygamy.com/
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Post #4 contains the bible quote where Christ says marriage is one man and one woman.
Christian marriage is one man and one woman.
Same sex unions are not marriage
 
Christian_Unity said:
When you think about it, I’m sure we would agree that it really doesn’t matter what Saint Augustine or Marin Luther believed regarding polygamy. What matters is what God reveals in the Scriptures on the subject of polygamy. I think Augustine and Luther looked to the Scriptures for their view on polygamy. My conclusion is the same as theirs… when we consider all of the Scriptures on the topic. The Prophets, the Apostles, and Jesus never condemned polygamy. The Bible is full of incentous and polygamous marriages which are never condemned.
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So you now realize that same sex unions are not marriage?
 
Stephen168 said:
So you now realize that same sex unions are not marriage?
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I’m confused… I thought we were discussing polygamy. I do know that same sex marriages are legal in some states in America, as well as around the world. Christian churches do perform same sex marriages around the world.
 
Christian_Unity said:
I’m confused… I thought we were discussing polygamy. I do know that same sex marriages are legal in some states in America, as well as around the world. Christian churches do perform same sex marriages around the world.
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Don’t be confused. You started this thread claiming same-sex marriage was a Christian marriage. But as it was shown in post #4 there is only one kind of Christian marriage; that is a marriage as defined by Christ; and that is between one man and one woman.

Then you moved on to polygamy in the old testament, but polygamy is still not a Christian marriage as defined by Christ. Christians follow the teachings of Christ.
 
Stephen168 said:
Don’t be confused. You started this thread claiming same-sex marriage was a Christian marriage. But as it was shown in post #4 there is only one kind of Christian marriage; that is a marriage as defined by Christ; and that is between one man and one woman.

Then you moved on to polygamy in the old testament, but polygamy is still not a Christian marriage as defined by Christ. Christians follow the teachings of Christ.
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Please copy and paste where you think I posted that I claimed that same sex marriage was a Christian marriage. If you can’t find it, please retract that statement.
 
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Stephen168:
I was simply stating a fact which has nothing to do with my personal view. Here is an OP link.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blessing_of_same-sex_unions_in_Christian_churches

Please retract your statement or I will have to request assistance from the moderators.
 
Christian_Unity said:
I’m confused… I thought we were discussing polygamy. I do know that same sex marriages are legal in some states in America, as well as around the world. Christian churches do perform same sex marriages around the world.
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Christian_Unity said:
Some of us may not relaize that there are various views of same sex marriage within Christianity. Here is a link to start a discussion. In this controversial issue, we should try to discuss this with much charity and grace.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blessing_of_same-sex_unions_in_Christian_churches
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This thread is about education and awareness. I have not expressed my personal opinion on the issue of same sex marriage, nor do I plan to on here. Please retract your post about stating what my position is on the issue.
 
Christian_Unity said:
This thread is about education and awareness. I have not expressed my personal opinion on the issue of same sex marriage, nor do I plan to on here. Please retract your post about stating what my position is on the issue.
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In American English the word ‘us’ includes the speaker, which in this case is you. It is clear you support same-sex “marriage.”
 
Stephen168 said:
In American English the word ‘us’ includes the speaker, which in this case is you. It is clear you support same-sex “marriage.”
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Oh dear. Here is what he said, as quoted by yourself-“Some of us may not relaize that there are various views of same sex marriage within Christianity.” Meaning, some people in the thread may not know that there are different views on same sex marriage in Christianity, meaning, some churches, like the Episcopal Church, support it, others, like the Catholic Church, do not. It says nothing about whether he supports same-sex marriage or not. The “us” in this case says nothing about him supporting SSM (it is used in a generic sense, like “some of us may not realize that the sky is blue”, which does not mean that he himself doesn’t realize that), nor does the sentence itself refer to those that support SSM, as it only refers to a variety of views, with no comment on whether any of those views are valid or held by the poster.
 
Christian_Unity said:
This thread is about education and awareness. I have not expressed my personal opinion on the issue of same sex marriage, nor do I plan to on here. Please retract your post about stating what my position is on the issue.
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Saying that “there are various views of same sex marriage within Christianity” implies that one agrees with those views being within the scope of Christianity.

If you don’t agree with same-sex marriage within a Christian context, you might speak more plainly next time.
 
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