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rinnie
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My question is this. If you support same sex marriage no matter what faith you are, would that not be the same as supporting a sin?
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SteveGC
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Well, the Christian who acknowledges it as a sin would certainly say “yes”. A sin is a sin, regardless of your awareness that an act is, in fact, a sin. The atheist who lies commits a sin, even though he has little concept, much less acknowledgement, of what sin is.
I would presume that the Non-Christian theist who acknowledges it as sin would say “yes” too, for the same reasons.
Or, is your question more about whether or not supporting same sex marriage is a sin in other faiths?
I would presume that the Non-Christian theist who acknowledges it as sin would say “yes” too, for the same reasons.
Or, is your question more about whether or not supporting same sex marriage is a sin in other faiths?
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Publisher
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As a Friend…and a Christian…I do not believe homosexuality is a sin. It is another natural expression of human sexuality. Those prohibitions listed in scritpure are more cultural and ceremonial/holiness code than blanket prohibitions.
Leviticus was written to separate Israel from their pagan neighbors which included male cult prostitution…which had established itself in Israel as you will find in various OT passages.
Same for the NT…the prohibition in Romans had to do with temple prostitution/male sexual cults…scripture makes no judgement against same sex relationships…except when pedastry is forbidden by Paul…the sexual exploitation of a younger male by and older male…which was common.
The Bible has no cohesive sexual ethic offered against homosexuality.
So…since I…nor the Meeting I attend…believe it is a “sin” to establish a loving, supporting same sex relationship we recognize and celebrate those in same sex relationships who wish to put their “marriage/union” under the care of the Meeting…throught the same process heterosexual couples do.
Leviticus was written to separate Israel from their pagan neighbors which included male cult prostitution…which had established itself in Israel as you will find in various OT passages.
Same for the NT…the prohibition in Romans had to do with temple prostitution/male sexual cults…scripture makes no judgement against same sex relationships…except when pedastry is forbidden by Paul…the sexual exploitation of a younger male by and older male…which was common.
The Bible has no cohesive sexual ethic offered against homosexuality.
So…since I…nor the Meeting I attend…believe it is a “sin” to establish a loving, supporting same sex relationship we recognize and celebrate those in same sex relationships who wish to put their “marriage/union” under the care of the Meeting…throught the same process heterosexual couples do.
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vickie123
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can anyone tell me why someone would want to marry the same sex?
i personally think its wrong
i personally think its wrong
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asd72
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Some people of faith support same sex marriage because they believe that two people loving each other cannot be a sin. That the sin is judging them for that love.
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SteveGC
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Difficult for the heterosexual to understand. The homosexual would probably ask us why we would want to marry opposite sex. I suppose the motivation for both is similar - genuine love for the other person, and a desire to express that love in ways made available by society and/or the church.
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Kristin234
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In Corinthians Paul says that men who have sex with men will not inherit the kingdom of God.
I know someone will say that he also says that the greedy, slanderers, drunks, etc also will not inherit the kingdom of God, and that is why we all have to repent and ask God for forgiveness when we do such things and try not to do them again. If those who practice same sex do not repent and try to stop (which I do understand can be very difficult) then they will not inherit the kingdom of God.
So I believe those who do support same sex marriage are supporting sin, just like how they would be supporting sin if they were urging someone to get drunk, lie, etc.
I know someone will say that he also says that the greedy, slanderers, drunks, etc also will not inherit the kingdom of God, and that is why we all have to repent and ask God for forgiveness when we do such things and try not to do them again. If those who practice same sex do not repent and try to stop (which I do understand can be very difficult) then they will not inherit the kingdom of God.
So I believe those who do support same sex marriage are supporting sin, just like how they would be supporting sin if they were urging someone to get drunk, lie, etc.
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Dorothy
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It is wrong, (sin). With God all things are possible, and with His Grace this disorder can be healed, OR they will have the grace to live chastely.
I thank the Lord that our One, Holy, Catholic Apostolic Church has the teaching authority to help us know what is sin. “He who hears you hears me.”
Sin hurts us, even though we do not believe it is sin.
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Yes friend…that is exactly why gay men and women want to form families and unions…it is not a subversive plot to overthrow western civilization…but a desire…need…to participate fully within society and receive it’s benefits as any contributor to society has a right to…the “activism” is a reaction against the injustice and prejudice so often displayed against them…gay men and women wish to have equal rights to visit their loved ones…have rights of survivorship protected and establish a life with their partner where neither the church nor society can take those rights away.
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CMatt25
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In Corinthians Paul also says women should not speak in churches.
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CMatt25
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Well said Publisher in giving an explanation as to how Christians can believe on this. God bless you and peace.
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asd72
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Well we know the teaching in the Catholic church, it’s in the CCC, but it is obvious that many of those denominations that have come out of the reformation have slipped into moral relativism.
It could be that they are sinning out of a certain amount of ignorance. They are trying to be loving in their own way often. We should pray for Gods mercy on them, while upholding the truth.
It could be that they are sinning out of a certain amount of ignorance. They are trying to be loving in their own way often. We should pray for Gods mercy on them, while upholding the truth.
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FromTheAshes777
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it is amazing and sad to me that we have found ways to theologically black flip our way out of the clear condemnation of homosexual behavior and fornication that are found in Holy Scripture. supporting homosexual “marriage” or condoning/supporting any homosexual acts in our society is to anger and sadden God just as it would our support of any other grave sin. Scripture and the Church are pretty clear. this behavior, just as all grave matter puts souls in serious peril.
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Kristin234
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Paul could have been speaking directly to the people of Corinth. It could have been a discipline. What Paul didn’t say is women should not speak in churches or they will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you.
It is clear as day what he meant. So should we just ignore it? Reject it? Make an excuse and say he meant something else? If we reject what Paul said aren’t we ultimately rejecting Christ?
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stevekehl
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Being homosexual is not a sin, committing homosexual acts is a sin. There is no sin in being tempted, Jesus was tempted by Satan after His 40-day fast but did not sin. A person who is tempted by homosexuality and abstains from the acts is to be commended, as an alcoholic who abstains from drinking. However, Scripture warns those who would call evil good and good evil. If you are blatantly contradicting Scripture condemning homosexual behavior and condemning people who call it a sin you need to wake up. A practicing homosexual Christian is an oxymoron, just as a Christian stripper, Christian wife beater, Christian thief, Christian assassin are oxymorons. The person who deliberately lives a lifestyle contrary to Scripture has not really surrendered to God. This is different from someone who sins in a moment of weakness or out of ignorance. Peter denied Christ in a moment of fear and weakness but was forgiven and became the leader of the early church. The Pharisees, who knew Scripture but were more interested in wealth, popularity, and power, were the recipients of Jesus most public and harsh criticism, even calling them sons of hell (Matt. 23).Homosexuality must be dealt with lovingly, patiently, prayerfully, but not with acceptance.
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Dorothy
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I agree.
And we have an organization called Courage for homosexuals who want to be celibate. If there is not such an organization nearby to meet with, they can have telephone counseling and support.
couragerc.net/
meltzerboy
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Traditional Torah Judaism states that homosexual behavior, whether inside or outside of marriage, is a sin. The Torah explicitly rejects male homosexual behavior. No Orthodox Jew I know of would state the behavior is not sinful, but some may be more sympathetic than others toward people who have same-sex attraction. Female homosexual behavior is implicitly forbidden by Torah Law, but not explicitly. On the other hand, Reform Judaism does not regard either male or female homosexual behavior as a sin. This is not so surprising since Reform Judaism does not believe most of the Torah commandments are binding for modern Jews. There are also arguments in Reform Judaism to justify this position using Torah verses. Conservative Jews are, for the most part, opposed to homosexual relationships; but some are not in opposition. I’m not sure what the current official position of the Conservative branch of Judaism is regarding homosexuality. Thus Judaism is split on the issue.
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Robert_in_SD
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Well said. I concur.
Even if one rejects the 2,000 year history of the Church’s consistent teaching on the matter of homosexual acts as being gravely disordered, serious objective moral evil, and contrary to natural law, one cannot deny that what is stated in Scripture about homosexual acts.
I think Steve makes an important point in separating one who has same-sex attraction, from one who chooses to live a gay lifestyle. A person can be a good Christian while still feeling attraction to the same sex, but is called to abstain from homosexual acts, just as all of us are called to comport ourselves in accordance with the teachings of Jesus Christ that sexuality should be confined to within the sacrament of marriage (between one mand and one woman). There should be distinctions made between those who try to follow God’s teaching on this point on the one hand, but give in to temptation and later repent, from those who engage in such conduct while asserting that there is noting objectively evil about it. The conduct is as grave as is any other sexual sin and should be treated as such, even though we reach out lovingly to those who are suffering, and offer them our prayerful support. To condone the homosexual activity, by accepting gay marriage or otherwise, is the moral and spiritual equivalent of handing a gun to a person that is contemplating suicide. It is to stand by and allow that person (or that gay couple you claim to care for) to destroy the grace that God has freely given, which Jesus Christ won for us on the cross.
Sometimes, it is harder to be loving. But this is what we are called to as Christians.
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rinnie
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Now let us not fool ourself. It is indeed a sin to have sex with the same sex as oneself.
Before we go any further lets hear it straight from the word of God.
Lev. 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as a women such a thing is an abomination.
Now there is no way we can misunderstand that scripture. ITs as plain as day. Its indeed a sin for 2 people of the same sex to engage in sexual activity.
Now if God said that it is an abomination which indeed means a sin, how can we as Christians say its okay.
Thats really what I am trying to get an answer to. If we say its okay and over look the sin are we a disgrace to our God by doing so.
I mean do we not have to answer for ourself also.
When we meet God and he says what did I say and did you stick up for me and my word, what are we going to say to him. What I am asking is what about our actions? Are we responsible for them.
Is it not the hardest thing to do in this world to stick up for our Lord. Did he not tell us if we do we will be HATED?
Before we go any further lets hear it straight from the word of God.
Lev. 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as a women such a thing is an abomination.
Now there is no way we can misunderstand that scripture. ITs as plain as day. Its indeed a sin for 2 people of the same sex to engage in sexual activity.
Now if God said that it is an abomination which indeed means a sin, how can we as Christians say its okay.
Thats really what I am trying to get an answer to. If we say its okay and over look the sin are we a disgrace to our God by doing so.
I mean do we not have to answer for ourself also.
When we meet God and he says what did I say and did you stick up for me and my word, what are we going to say to him. What I am asking is what about our actions? Are we responsible for them.
Is it not the hardest thing to do in this world to stick up for our Lord. Did he not tell us if we do we will be HATED?
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rinnie
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Also let me be more clear in my question.
Does it become our sin to accept a couple who are of the same sex and engage in sexual acts and marry. Thats really my question?
Does it become our sin to accept a couple who are of the same sex and engage in sexual acts and marry. Thats really my question?
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