same sex marriage question for all faiths.

[rinnie]

Just my own opinion…but anyone else having a same sex relaionship…or getting a divorce…or stealing a car(unless it’s my car)…is not a sin against me…how does this verse apply to the discussion? You have me intrigued now.

I always intrigue you Pub!

Okay here is the truth. A customer of mine told me her grandaughter is gay. She said she told her she does not aprove of this lifestyle and please do not come to my house and bring these people to me. SHe has not seen the GD for a year.

Here comes the GD with the friend. She told me she wanted to throw her off the porch. But instead the girl made plans to go to dinner the next night.

She said she was sick and could not go. She said I did not lie, it makes me sick to my stomach to see this I can’t HANDLE IT!

She said how do I go to dinner act like this is fine and then face God on Sunday and recieve my Holy Communion.

If it was her GD alone she said it would be fine. But she has told the girl for 3 years please do not bring me these people this is no acceptable to me.

Who is wrong the grandmother who feels that God does not allow her to turn her back to sin. or the GD who feels that its none of the Grandmother business and she can do as she pleases and the GM should accept it.

There it is!!

 

[Publisher]

I always intrigue you Pub!

Okay here is the truth. A customer of mine told me her grandaughter is gay. She said she told her she does not aprove of this lifestyle and please do not come to my house and bring these people to me. SHe has not seen the GD for a year.

Here comes the GD with the friend. She told me she wanted to throw her off the porch. But instead the girl made plans to go to dinner the next night.

She said she was sick and could not go. She said I did not lie, it makes me sick to my stomach to see this I can’t HANDLE IT!

She said how do I go to dinner act like this is fine and then face God on Sunday and recieve my Holy Communion.

If it was her GD alone she said it would be fine. But she has told the girl for 3 years please do not bring me these people this is no acceptable to me.

Who is wrong the grandmother who feels that God does not allow her to turn her back to sin. or the GD who feels that its none of the Grandmother business and she can do as she pleases and the GM should accept it.

There it is!!

Well…since you asked…I believe the grandmother is wrong…FIRST by lying about her being sick…you and I both know the grandmother intented by her words to indicate she had an illness and could not make it…not that she couldn’t stand the sight of the gay person…doesn’t sound to me like that was “speaking out of the Center of Truth” she claimed to be living in.

No one is asking her to “accept” the “sin” of the gay person…just show common courtesy, kindness and respect. No one is asking her to engage in “sin”…“welcome the stranger within your gate” has no “except for gay people” attatched to it.

“These people”…not a flattering phrase to be sure…and “these people” to me does not sound like she has love and compassion for “those people”…I could be wrong or course…but from the simple story you presented to me…sounds like she may have deeper spiritual issues than not wanting to have dinner with a gay person.

 

[Kristin234]

A simple honest answer. Rather others feel it is right or wrong it is her answer and opinion. Thats what I am asking.

Now Kristin do you do your best to live up to this answer. Or do you agree that if you do it is so hard to do at times in this world?

Do you notice that when you speak out against sin you are the bad guy?

It is definitely hard to do that sometimes. Christ told us that the world will hate us, and so I know that a lot of the time when I stand up for the word of God it will make me look like the bad guy. I try my best to live up to this answer, and when I do speak up against something I believe is wrong I do it with truth and respect. I always tell people that that is what I believe in and if they don’t agree I respect that, but I will never change my mind on the things that God says.

 

[rinnie]

Well…since you asked…I believe the grandmother is wrong…FIRST by lying about her being sick…you and I both know the grandmother intented by her words to indicate she had an illness and could not make it…not that she couldn’t stand the sight of the gay person…doesn’t sound to me like that was “speaking out of the Center of Truth” she claimed to be living in.

No one is asking her to “accept” the “sin” of the gay person…just show common courtesy, kindness and respect. No one is asking her to engage in “sin”…“welcome the stranger within your gate” has no “except for gay people” attatched to it.

“These people”…not a flattering phrase to be sure…and “these people” to me does not sound like she has love and compassion for “those people”…I could be wrong or course…but from the simple story you presented to me…sounds like she may have deeper spiritual issues than not wanting to have dinner with a gay person.

Okay now I asked her why did she lie and say she was sick? She said because she told her time after time not to do this and instead of making a scene she felt it was better to do it that way.

SHe told me the GD got the hint she believes and she has not seen her since. And she said she does not even care anymore.

She said it is the situation she has told the girl time after time she will not accept it, and she continues to try to shove it in her face.

She did tell me she begged the girl time after time do not bring these people to my house. If you want to come, come alone or do not come at all.

Should she have made a scene? Or was it better to lie?

 

[Publisher]

Okay now I asked her why did she lie and say she was sick? She said because she told her time after time not to do this and instead of making a scene she felt it was better to do it that way.

SHe told me the GD got the hint she believes and she has not seen her since. And she said she does not even care anymore.

She said it is the situation she has told the girl time after time she will not accept it, and she continues to try to shove it in her face.

She did tell me she begged the girl time after time do not bring these people to my house. If you want to come, come alone or do not come at all.

Should she have made a scene? Or was it better to lie?

It would have been better to live in Truth compassion, mercy, kindness, love, forebearance, gentleness…it would have been better to live within the precepts of 1 Cor 13…would it not?

As I said…IMO…the grandmother has deeper spritual issues to deal with than having dinner with a gay person.

 

[rinnie]

It would have been better to live in Truth compassion, mercy, kindness, love, forebearance, gentleness…it would have been better to live within the precepts of 1 Cor 13…would it not?

As I said…IMO…the grandmother has deeper spritual issues to deal with than having dinner with a gay person.

Well in her defense. I knew this women for many years. She has been my customer for over 20. Here love for this girl is strong, she practically raised her.

But she will not accept this lifestyle. She said it goes against the word of God and she will not be a part of it. She told me that even when it is our own, and she told me to pray it never happens to me, you must choose God’s way.

My heart goes out to her because she loves the child so much. But in her mind you must not condone sin and if you turn a blind eye you are just as wrong.

Just wondering what others feel. I am just praying for them both.

But my answer is the GD has no repect for the GM to do that when she was asked not to.

 

[Publisher]

Well in her defense. I knew this women for many years. She has been my customer for over 20. Here love for this girl is strong, she practically raised her.

But she will not accept this lifestyle. She said it goes against the word of God and she will not be a part of it. She told me that even when it is our own, and she told me to pray it never happens to me, you must choose God’s way.

My heart goes out to her because she loves the child so much. But in her mind you must not condone sin and if you turn a blind eye you are just as wrong.

Just wondering what others feel. I am just praying for them both.

But my answer is the GD has no repect for the GM to do that when she was asked not to.

Doesn’t sound like the GM has much “respect giving” going for her either.…again…she has some deeper spiritual problems than having lunch with a gay person.

Like the old Donna Fargo song goes…“How can we ask for truth when we do not truthful live…how can we ask forgiveness when we don’t forgive…I don’t mean to bring you down or speak to you unkind…but you can’t be a beacon when your light don’t shine!!”

 

[Mamanurse]

Is that not the Catholic “sin of presumtion”? Just asking…

You may encourage both parties to reconsider…but if your “encouragement” was seen as “none of your business”…would you treat them differently? Trying to understand what is meant by “accept sin”…

I guess what I am trying to say is that I don’t know of any couples, gay or not, that choose to cohabitate with one another unless they are looking for a more intimate relationship, ie a sexual one. Do you? If anything either party if choosing to put themselves into a potential sinful position, wouldn’t you suggest them not to be living together if that were so?

I don’t believe I would treat them differently if they chose not to listen, but I have at least said something that I believe would be truth. I feel that omitting my understanding of what I feel is right is being in a friendship that is not based on truth and common ground. Are we not to follow Christ’s example? Didn’t He tell Mary Magdeline to stop sinning? Wouldn’t He have been remiss if He hadn’t spoken what He felt was Truth? Not that I will ever do what is right all of the time, but I certainly strive to.

 

[Publisher]

I guess what I am trying to say is that I don’t know of any couples, gay or not, that choose to cohabitate with one another unless they are looking for a more intimate relationship, ie a sexual one. Do you? If anything either party if choosing to put themselves into a potential sinful position, wouldn’t you suggest them not to be living together if that were so?

I don’t believe I would treat them differently if they chose not to listen, but I have at least said something that I believe would be truth. I feel that omitting my understanding of what I feel is right is being in a friendship that is not based on truth and common ground. Are we not to follow Christ’s example? Didn’t He tell Mary Magdeline to stop sinning? Wouldn’t He have been remiss if He hadn’t spoken what He felt was Truth? Not that I will ever do what is right all of the time, but I certainly strive to.

I don’t know if Jesus spoke those words to Mary Magdalene…there is no record of him doing so as far as I know.

I do know of two gay men who live together and share no sexual intimacy. I know of two lesbian women who share living accommodations and are not intimate either…as well as a couple heterosexual couples…they share living accommodations…but nothing else…it’s a financial thing.

My question again…if you feel you need to say something to a gay couple…do you also feel the need to speak about “sin” to the couple using ABC…divorced…etc…as you do the gay couple? Is the same need exercised?

 

[rinnie]

I don’t know if Jesus spoke those words to Mary Magdalene…there is no record of him doing so as far as I know.

I do know of two gay men who live together and share no sexual intimacy. I know of two lesbian women who share living accommodations and are not intimate either…as well as a couple heterosexual couples…they share living accommodations…but nothing else…it’s a financial thing.

My question again…if you feel you need to say something to a gay couple…do you also feel the need to speak about “sin” to the couple using ABC…divorced…etc…as you do the gay couple? Is the same need exercised?

I do, he told Mary she is forgiven to go and sin no more. Now to the second question mine would be yes.

My daughter lived with her boyfriend for 6 months This was unacceptable to me and I told her so.

Boy you woun’t believe the judgement I got for telling her she was living in mortal sin. 90% of my family and 99% of my friends and customers disagreed with me.

Ah, but then came PAPA. Thank God he was alive then. He said you stick to your faith and you stick with your GOD. DO NOT GIVE IN!!

I was told everyone is doing it. Who are you to judge. Oh and Matt the get the splinter out of my eye, got that one too. Got it all.

But I took Papa’s advice. She confessed her sin, she got married in the eyes of God and she is no longer in a state of mortal sin.

I prayed and asked the Blessed Mother to interceed for me daily. And I asked my daughter to do one thing for me. Go to the Blessed Mother and ask her to help you. I felt in my heart I failed as a Mother.

Well she did do that for me. And she actually told me 2 years later. Mommy thanks for not letting me get away with it. If you would not have done something I probally would still not be married and I see now what you were saying.

 

[Publisher]

I do, he told Mary she is forgiven to go and sin no more. Now to the second question mine would be yes.

Please provide the reference…I am not able to find where he addressed Mary of Magdala in this way.

My daughter lived with her boyfriend for 6 months This was unacceptable to me and I told her so.

She is your daughter…mothers and fathers often give unsolicited advice to their children.

Boy you woun’t believe the judgement I got for telling her she was living in mortal sin. 90% of my family and 99% of my friends and customers disagreed with me.

OH…I do…been on the receiving end of having my nose slammed in the door of a “room” I had no business trying to look in.

 

[rinnie]

This is what my church teaches it was Mary Mag.

 

[Publisher]

This is what my church teaches it was Mary Mag.

I believe your church taught that beginning in the 6th century…as I understand…it has since backed away from that particular teaching due to modern scholarship as I understand it…you may want to do some checking.

 

[rinnie]

I believe your church taught that beginning in the 6th century…as I understand…it has since backed away from that particular teaching due to modern scholarship as I understand it…you may want to do some checking.

Yes I will have to do that. But from what I read Mary called Mag.whom 7 demons came out of and many others.

 

[Dorothy]

I believe your church taught that beginning in the 6th century…as I understand…it has since backed away from that particular teaching due to modern scholarship as I understand it…you may want to do some checking.

The point is that the woman who was caught in adultery, no matter what her name was, was regarded with compassion by our Lord Jesus Christ, and His last words to her was “…go and sin no more.”

 

[rinnie]

I believe your church taught that beginning in the 6th century…as I understand…it has since backed away from that particular teaching due to modern scholarship as I understand it…you may want to do some checking.

I saw that in 1969 they did say that is may have been a mistake. Ah be darn!

 

[rinnie]

I do know we considered her a Saint but knew nothing of the Egg. Thank you for sharing that for me.

My Favorite was Simon who carried the Cross of Jesus. I was told his son became a Bishop after that.

Sometimes seeing is believing. Follow the SON!!

 

[amber_lux]

rinnie;:

Lev. 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as a women such a thing is an abomination.

Now there is no way we can misunderstand that scripture. ITs as plain as day. Its indeed a sin for 2 people of the same sex to engage in sexual activity.

Since you think that that verse can not be misunderstood, explain why it is not a prohibition against anal sex ---- especially since the usual male/male sex back then was frottage.

Amber

 

[amber_lux]

FromTheAshes777;:

So if not, can anyone name a place in Scripture where two men being “married” is considered acceptable? Where marriage is defined as anything other than between members of the opposite sex?

If you paid attention to the OT, you’d discover that marriage is a consequence of sex between two people. You’d also know which couples in the OT were of the same sex, and did have sex with each other.

Amber

 

[Publisher]

That’s the whole issue…scritpure DOES NOT address homosexual orientation at all…it addresses homosexual acts within pagan religous practices…scripture has no “understanding” what so ever about sexual orientation. It does not address homosexulaity with a clear sexual ethic.