same sex marriage question for all faiths.

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No friend. you can use modern terms and words but the Truth is Truth, it will not change.
some people just choose to ignore evil for what it is.
So you do believe I was stating in actuality and meaning to do so how you characterized it? yes? No? True Truth will not change…unless the command of “do not bear false witness” no longer has merit? Again…I would be interested in your answer if you believe your characteriztion of my statments in your previous post were Truth?🤷
 
In context…the whole first chapter into the second of Romans addresses “worship practices” and “worship”…it is not about sexuality…to gain the favor of a god, temple prostitutes, both male and female, took the place of the god and ritual sex…“sex magic” was performed…Paul is not addressing sexual orientation…the first few verses of chapter 2 are quite interesting as well…yet I rarely…if ever…see them quoted along with the passage you just quoted.🙂
I just can’t see how you interpreted Romans 1:26-27 as worship practices. It clearly says they they left what was natural for something that was unnatural.

This is exactly what it says in my Bible: Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what was shameful.

Lust. Lust means having a very strong sexual desire for someone. It doesn’t say it was a ritual practice. They didn’t do it for a god or a temple. They did it because they desired each other, and that is shameful according to God.
 
I just can’t see how you interpreted Romans 1:26-27 as worship practices. It clearly says they they left what was natural for something that was unnatural.

This is exactly what it says in my Bible: Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what was shameful.

Lust. Lust means having a very strong sexual desire for someone. It doesn’t say it was a ritual practice. They didn’t do it for a god or a temple. They did it because they desired each other, and that is shameful according to God.
Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, **and worshiped and served created things **rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
 
Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, **and worshiped and served created things **rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
What does it say after? He gave them up to vile passions. So that means that women sleeping with women and men sleeping with men is seen as vile by God.
 
Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, **and worshiped and served created things **rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
Oh my!!
 
What does it say after? He gave them up to vile passions. So that means that women sleeping with women and men sleeping with men is seen as vile by God.
Understood…but Paul is addressing the “forms” some pagan worshippers did…including participating in temple prostitution…not a comprehensive exegis of course…but you can get the gist of how I and those who do not find Romans 1 as “normative” teaching for homosexulaity…no more than the story of Lot and his daughters engaging in drunken orgistic sex in a cave is an indictment against marriage.
 
Understood…but Paul is addressing the “forms” some pagan worshippers did…including participating in temple prostitution…not a comprehensive exegis of course…but you can get the gist of how I and those who do not find Romans 1 as “normative” teaching for homosexulaity…no more than the story of Lot and his daughters engaging in drunken orgistic sex in a cave is an indictment against marriage.
I know you mean well and have the most sincere intentions of wanting to do what is right. I just fail to see, by your understandings, why we should take anything said in the bible with anything more than a grain of salt. We can justify just about anything in the bible by saying “it was meant for that group” or “only if done under those circumstances”. I don’t understand.

This is the exact reason I am thankful for the catholic church, I have a leader to guide my understandings of the bible. I don’t have to make interpretations on my own, the Catholic church, through the guidance of the Holy Spirit has done this for me. Peace.
 
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As I have said in other threads, this will be a thread in which those who hate the truth will try to turn it upside down and make it false. 😉 The words of Isaiah resound.
 
Yes, and the Bible does not contain specific condemnations of abortion using modern terminology for that, either (“thou shalt not use thy power of reproductive freedom to terminate thy pregnancy…”), so that must mean that the jury is out on that, too.

What a bunch of bologna.
No it is not exactly a bunch of bologna. Many Christians do not hold to the Catholic position. Peace.
 
It’s not only the Catholic position, Matt. Come on.

Why is it when certain topics come up here everyone rushes to come up with all kinds of loopholes? “Thou shalt not” means exactly that, regardless of how we define “abomination”, regardless of what words there might have been for homosexual, etc. Is this what being a Christian is all about…coming up with different ways to make sin into something other than what it is?
 
It’s not only the Catholic position, Matt. Come on.

Why is it when certain topics come up here everyone rushes to come up with all kinds of loopholes? “Thou shalt not” means exactly that, regardless of how we define “abomination”, regardless of what words there might have been for homosexual, etc. Is this what being a Christian is all about…coming up with different ways to make sin into something other than what it is?
I didn’t say the Catholic position was only the Catholic position. It might equate or be similar to the Southern Baptist position too for instance. But it’s also still the Catholic position too.

I don’t think everyone rushes with loopholes as you describe it. But some in good faith try to show how things are not always 100% clearly certain.

I believe what being Christian is can be summed up in one word. Love.

Love thy neighbor. Showing love by caring for the less fortunate.

There is the Golden Rule.

And Peace.
 
Well first no disrepect I am not Asking YOU if you think it is a sin or not. That is not the issue at hand.

But to answer your last question let me tell you why it can be a concern. Say you don’t agree with it and you have no way of escaping it. Say a family member or close friend.

Now okay its none of my business. But what does that teach your child about sin? Forget the same marriage, make it drugs, make it alcohol, make it any sin you want. Do you say it is unacceptable and can’t be done around me and my family. Or its none of my business?

If you feel something is a sin does it matter what sin it is? Is sin not sin? And if your heart tells you it is, do you accept it from others and do nothing or let it be known it is unacceptable. Thats the question.
My two daughters were raised around quite a few homosexual and lesbian couples. I worked as a manager in a business that was owned by a gay couple for five years. They were very loving, caring people who were good to my children.

My children were raised to love all people no matter what skin color, religion, part of the world they were born, sexual orientation, class, tax bracket etc etc they were from. They were raised to not judge others. And they turned out to be the finest women anyone knows. Loving to all, Accepting to all. Friends with all sorts of good people.

They both are in healthy relationships with men. But if they were lesbians I would love them just as much and accept their partners because that is how Christ would act. He is the example I follow when it comes to how I relate to people. Show them God’s love. As an Episcopalian this is our way.

A few months ago a priest in his sermon stated that sin is alienation from others. It is what separates us from sharing God’s love with others. If you apply this to any situation you should discern exactly how we should be treating each and all everyday. If we are not treating others with love, that is when we know we are in a state of sin because we feel it. We feel the lose of our connection with God. We feel this pain in our heart.
 
Quoting Crowley, the most misunderstood man in the world. Granted he is not a shining example of moral virtue, this is one of the most misunderstood statements of all times.
 
What does that have to do with sin being wrong. Rather one destroys charity with God and the other wounds it, is it still not sin?:confused:
What does this have to do with charity with God? Or maybe we have different definitions of charity.
 
We shouldn’t condemn or judge people if we see that they are sinning, but Jesus tells us to minister to others and to teach them to obey everything he has commanded. In Galatians it tells us if someone is caught in a sin we are to restore them gently.
Paul wrote Galatians. Paul never met Jesus. Jesus told us to love God with our entire being, and to love our neighbors as ourselves. Starting wars with people about who they are and how they live their personal lives accordingly is not an act of love.
 
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