same sex marriage question for all faiths.

[Publisher]

Also let me answer this is my current situation.

My Son is 24 and moved out for awhile and lived with his girlfriend and her mom. Well thing’s did not work out and he came back home.

Well he felt they could just stay here off and on!

Wrong. I told him its not going to happen. I will not let it happen in my house. I told him I did not allow it with your sister and you will not do it either.

Well things were not real good here for awhile. She was a very bold girl and continued to stay late etc.

Finally it came down to my way or the Highway. Well she hit the road. But he stayed here.

Now 3 years later he has a new girl. After 2 years of complete hell over his SLEEPING arangements he knows I will not give in. Believe me he pushed and pushed.

Last Sat he went to a wedding. His new girlfriend slept in his room, him upstairs on the couch. No fight no argument. It is Gods law and he obyed it in the House the obeys the Lord. My House. Now I feel in MY OPINION, and now remember we are working on our OWN personal opinions what does God ask of US PERSONALLY.

GOd told me NO. While I cannot stop him from what he does other places he knows quite well the Law of our Lord. No sex w/o marriage. Am I loved for this. NO!! Many of my cusomers are older then I am live this way.

While it is not my right to tell them how to live, if they ask according to my faith is it wrong? I must say yes. I hate to hurt them but what would God want me to tell them. Thats where I am going with here. How could I face God and tell them its okay as long as you love eachother etc. Is my duty to live my faith and teach it the way (IF ASKED MIND YOU) or agree with a sin to be liked.

And while the other person and I agree its HARD to be honest and teach the truth as the Church teaches. This world does not want truth, when you give it the truth is turned around on you and you are made to be judgemental etc.

I understand the position…but I just can’t get past the “stranger within your gate” issue…thhe women were NOT engaging in “immodest behavior” in front to the GM…they were NOT asking to sleep over…BUT at the same time the GM has the right to refuse entrance into her home to whom ever she wishes for what ever reason…is that “correct” behavior…I’m not her judge…she has to decide for herself what is “correct” behavior toward the “stranger within her gates”…she has to decide how to live and reflect the love of God to those around her…I have enough of a job concentrating on me…let alone what others “might be doing” or “could be doing” or ???

If the GM asked my opinion…I would give her the same opinion I gave you…but then…it is only my opinion.

 

[Denise1957]

rinnie, the situation with your 24 year-old son is almost the same situation that I have with my 22 year-old son, except that I have the added challenge of my husband taking my son’s side of the issue. My husband thinks that as long as my son and his girlfriend use contraception, it shouldn’t be a problem that she stays in his room.

After six months or so of my son and husband being upset and at times angry that I will not give in and allow this sort of thing to happen under my roof, they’re finally backing down. The upside is that I was able to learn, eventually, how to stay calm but resolute when explaining my position, even when I was told I am a ‘religious fanatic,’ among other things.

I cannot be complicit with sin occurring in my own home, but part of the problem too, is that there’s a lack of respect in our society now for parental authority. My family feels that I don’t have a right to set limits on behavior of my son in my own home.

 

[rinnie]

rinnie, the situation with your 24 year-old son is almost the same situation that I have with my 22 year-old son, except that I have the added challenge of my husband taking my son’s side of the issue. My husband thinks that as long as my son and his girlfriend use contraception, it shouldn’t be a problem that she stays in his room.

After six months or so of my son and husband being upset and at times angry that I will not give in and allow this sort of thing to happen under my roof, they’re finally backing down. The upside is that I was able to learn, eventually, how to stay calm but resolute when explaining my position, even when I was told I am a ‘religious fanatic,’ among other things.

I cannot be complicit with sin occurring in my own home, but part of the problem too, is that there’s a lack of respect in our society now for parental authority. My family feels that I don’t have a right to set limits on behavior of my son in my own home.

Its hell isn’t it Denise. Unfortunately with my daughter when she was doing wrong I could not stay calm. At first I was a Maniac. That is where I had to step away and spend ALOT of time in prayer with the Blessed Mother holding my hand and heart.

Now years later with my Son there is no yelling no screaming there is as you stated only calm this is not happening under my roof and its no open for discussion.

Ironically maybe age or (Maybe deep down my son’s afraid of me just kidding) he is actually cool with it.

He says we are going out, we are having a few drinks and have a DD and ?? is staying over night and she will be sleeping on the couch. I am having a hard time getting him not to miss Mass on Sunday but its a work in progress.

Had the same problem with my daughter and now she won’t miss a Sunday. So alot of prayer is all I can do at this time.

I told him I am not even 50 yet and you guys are trying to make me stone gray!

But the moral of this thread is HOW hard easy it is today to say HERE I AM LORD I AM HEAR TO SPREAD YOUR TRUTH and then do it.

 

[rinnie]

rinnie, the situation with your 24 year-old son is almost the same situation that I have with my 22 year-old son, except that I have the added challenge of my husband taking my son’s side of the issue. My husband thinks that as long as my son and his girlfriend use contraception, it shouldn’t be a problem that she stays in his room.

After six months or so of my son and husband being upset and at times angry that I will not give in and allow this sort of thing to happen under my roof, they’re finally backing down. The upside is that I was able to learn, eventually, how to stay calm but resolute when explaining my position, even when I was told I am a ‘religious fanatic,’ among other things.

I cannot be complicit with sin occurring in my own home, but part of the problem too, is that there’s a lack of respect in our society now for parental authority. My family feels that I don’t have a right to set limits on behavior of my son in my own home.

Its hell isn’t it Denise. Unfortunately with my daughter when she was doing wrong I could not stay calm. At first I was a Maniac. That is where I had to step away and spend ALOT of time in prayer with the Blessed Mother holding my hand and heart.

Now years later with my Son there is no yelling no screaming there is as you stated only calm this is not happening under my roof and its no open for discussion.

Ironically maybe age or (Maybe deep down my son’s afraid of me just kidding) he is actually cool with it.

He says we are going out, we are having a few drinks and have a DD and ?? is staying over night and she will be sleeping on the couch. I am having a hard time getting him not to miss Mass on Sunday but its a work in progress.

Had the same problem with my daughter and now she won’t miss a Sunday. So alot of prayer is all I can do at this time.

I told him I am not even 50 yet and you guys are trying to make me stone gray!

But the moral of this thread is HOW hard easy it is today to say HERE I AM LORD I AM HEAR TO SPREAD YOUR TRUTH and then do it.

 

[rinnie]

I understand the position…but I just can’t get past the “stranger within your gate” issue…thhe women were NOT engaging in “immodest behavior” in front to the GM…they were NOT asking to sleep over…BUT at the same time the GM has the right to refuse entrance into her home to whom ever she wishes for what ever reason…is that “correct” behavior…I’m not her judge…she has to decide for herself what is “correct” behavior toward the “stranger within her gates”…she has to decide how to live and reflect the love of God to those around her…I have enough of a job concentrating on me…let alone what others “might be doing” or “could be doing” or ???

If the GM asked my opinion…I would give her the same opinion I gave you…but then…it is only my opinion.

Thats okay Pub because that is your opinion and that is what you gave me. I understand what you are saying and can completely see where you are comming from.

I think as I stated early pub you and I come from 2 different worlds. Your world is what is God telling you to do.

My world is what is the teaching of the CC and how do you fit it into the practice of Christ in your life. Remember Pub right or wrong in your world is what YOU feel it is.

Right or wrong in my world is what the Apostles taught. We cannot say well the Church teaching is wrong. We as Roman Catholics must beleive it is what Christ said it is and we must adapt.

 

[Denise1957]

Its hell isn’t it Denise. Unfortunately with my daughter when she was doing wrong I could not stay calm. At first I was a Maniac. That is where I had to step away and spend ALOT of time in prayer with the Blessed Mother holding my hand and heart.

Now years later with my Son there is no yelling no screaming there is as you stated only calm this is not happening under my roof and its no open for discussion.

Ironically maybe age or (Maybe deep down my son’s afraid of me just kidding) he is actually cool with it.

He says we are going out, we are having a few drinks and have a DD and ?? is staying over night and she will be sleeping on the couch. I am having a hard time getting him not to miss Mass on Sunday but its a work in progress.

Had the same problem with my daughter and now she won’t miss a Sunday. So alot of prayer is all I can do at this time.

I told him I am not even 50 yet and you guys are trying to make me stone gray!

But the moral of this thread is HOW hard easy it is today to say HERE I AM LORD I AM HEAR TO SPREAD YOUR TRUTH and then do it.

It’s so good that your daughter goes to Mass; my sons have no interest in it, as yet (not having raised them Catholic, since I’m a convert).

I agree that it is hard to spread His truth. Our Lord said in Scripture that there would be problems within families. Prayer is indeed what helps us get through these challenges, and helps to direct us, too. I was a raving maniac, too, at first with the mentioned situation, and went to confession about it. My confessor was a great help, and I’m often amazed how a good confessor has such a good understanding of human nature. I, too, depend on our Blessed Mother to help with these situations. What would we do without her?

 

[Publisher]

Thats okay Pub because that is your opinion and that is what you gave me. I understand what you are saying and can completely see where you are comming from.

I think as I stated early pub you and I come from 2 different worlds. Your world is what is God telling you to do.

My world is what is the teaching of the CC and how do you fit it into the practice of Christ in your life. Remember Pub right or wrong in your world is what YOU feel it is.

Right or wrong in my world is what the Apostles taught. We cannot say well the Church teaching is wrong. We as Roman Catholics must beleive it is what Christ said it is and we must adapt.

Rinnie…we do live in two different worlds…in my world “we live in that virture of life in which the apostles lived”…if I were overly “sensitive”…but being here at CAF has given me a pretty tough skin…I would feel marginalized in your characterization that I some how do not believe what the apostles taught…I don’t believe what the CC teaches the apostles taught necessarily…but I do accept their witness.

 

[rinnie]

Rinnie…we do live in two different worlds…in my world “we live in that virture of life in which the apostles lived”…if I were overly “sensitive”…but being here at CAF has given me a pretty tough skin…I would feel marginalized in your characterization that I some how do not believe what the apostles taught…I don’t believe what the CC teaches the apostles taught necessarily…but I do accept their witness.

Please do not feel that way. What I am trying to say is I understand that you do not believe that the CC is the fullness of the truth. That is why I am trying to get on a level with you that I do and you don’t, and that is where we have to (as much as I hate this saying) Agree to disagree.

But in the same token we do know where we are both comming from. For me Pub to question the teachings of the CC is questioning Christ himself. I understand you do not feel that way. And I understand that as much as you can’t help it, you don’t feel that way, I can’t help it I do.

 

[rinnie]

It’s so good that your daughter goes to Mass; my sons have no interest in it, as yet (not having raised them Catholic, since I’m a convert).

I agree that it is hard to spread His truth. Our Lord said in Scripture that there would be problems within families. Prayer is indeed what helps us get through these challenges, and helps to direct us, too. I was a raving maniac, too, at first with the mentioned situation, and went to confession about it. My confessor was a great help, and I’m often amazed how a good confessor has such a good understanding of human nature. I, too, depend on our Blessed Mother to help with these situations. What would we do without her?

Trust me she went through the phase also. Just keep praying. The Blessed Mother will keep praying for them also. And we know she has friends in HIGH PLACES

 

[Publisher]

Please do not feel that way. What I am trying to say is I understand that you do not believe that the CC is the fullness of the truth. That is why I am trying to get on a level with you that I do and you don’t, and that is where we have to (as much as I hate this saying) Agree to disagree.

But in the same token we do know where we are both comming from. For me Pub to question the teachings of the CC is questioning Christ himself. I understand you do not feel that way. And I understand that as much as you can’t help it, you don’t feel that way, I can’t help it I do.

Rinnie…we both DO KNOW where each of us is coming from…just thought a more careful “charitable” statement was a possibility…that’s all

 

[rinnie]

Rinnie…we both DO KNOW where each of us is coming from…just thought a more careful “charitable” statement was a possibility…that’s all

Sorry if it came off that way but was not what my heart meant. But Sorry if it looked that way.

 

[Publisher]

Sorry if it came off that way but was not what my heart meant. But Sorry if it looked that way.

Rinnie…just giving you a “hard time”…I think you and I have an understanding.

 

[rinnie]

Rinnie…just giving you a “hard time”…I think you and I have an understanding.

Ah big mistake, Now you are on the LIST!! I owe ya one Pub

 

[Publisher]

Ah big mistake, Now you are on the LIST!! I owe ya one Pub

LOL…I’m on several “lists” evidently.

 

[Curious_Seed]

QUOTE=rinnie;7937802]My question is this. If you support same sex marriage no matter what faith you are, would that not be the same as supporting a sin?



:extrahappy:

 

[CMatt25]

and that is where we have to (as much as I hate this saying) Agree to disagree.

Woo hoo Rinnie! :extrahappy: :grouphug:

 

[John21652]

Rinnie…we do live in two different worlds…in my world “we live in that virture of life in which the apostles lived”…if I were overly “sensitive”…but being here at CAF has given me a pretty tough skin…I would feel marginalized in your characterization that I some how do not believe what the apostles taught…I don’t believe what the CC teaches the apostles taught necessarily…but I do accept their witness.

If you don’t believe the CC teaches what the Apostles taught, then how do you explain away the Didache as being foundational to the CC?

By the way, that world you live in makes you an antinomian.

 

[PbloPicasso]

Actually, not counting the dissenting Catholics, being Protestant and knowing many of their beliefs by essential meaning makes them antinomian. I had to look up this word. I figured out in vetro fertilization is wrong without the listening to Catholic teaching. In fact, some folks in my family considered doing it. Many of the women tied their tubes or got the “man fix”, which offends me, always did. Unfortunately, I fell victim to the same thing and this is what lead me down the road to trying to figure out what was right and wrong in these areas. Homosexuality is incompatible with Christ’s teaching. The only thing we can really do is pray. If the Church is ever infected with this disease, I will have to either bail to the Eastern Orthodox Church, who seem to take their faith much more serious than Catholics. However, just like other issues when I was converting I discovered interesting problems they are experiencing as well. It’s our culture, which I refuse to accept, even if it kills me.

Homosexuality is such a deeply disordered infliction. We must pray for those inflicted with it so that they may endure to the end. We also must pray for those of our community that embrace the life style as if its actually okay. Personally, I believe its and attack on National Security and one of the many reasons I changed my avatar to Jack Bauer in protest to how far peole are willing to shove their sick agenda down our throats. I have several friends inflicted with this disease. Some of them are the reason I left the seminary, they were there too. I learned things from that community that convinced me of their perverted minds, inclinded to sin - cross boundaries.

 

[Publisher]

If you don’t believe the CC teaches what the Apostles taught, then how do you explain away the Didache as being foundational to the CC?

By the way, that world you live in makes you an antinomian.

The world YOU live in makes me an antinomian…

In the Didache I see early Christian practice in Antioch…however it does not reflect Catholic belief…especially the eucharist…read the meaning of the wine and bread given in the Didache…doesn’t reflect Catholic teaching in any special way…also the ritual of baptism…seems the Catholic church moved away from “living water” to “baptismal font”.

 

[stevekehl]

Actually, not counting the dissenting Catholics, being Protestant and knowing many of their beliefs by essential meaning makes them antinomian. I had to look up this word. I figured out in vetro fertilization is wrong without the listening to Catholic teaching. In fact, some folks in my family considered doing it. Many of the women tied their tubes or got the “man fix”, which offends me, always did. Unfortunately, I fell victim to the same thing and this is what lead me down the road to trying to figure out what was right and wrong in these areas. Homosexuality is incompatible with Christ’s teaching. The only thing we can really do is pray. If the Church is ever infected with this disease, I will have to either bail to the Eastern Orthodox Church, who seem to take their faith much more serious than Catholics. However, just like other issues when I was converting I discovered interesting problems they are experiencing as well. It’s our culture, which I refuse to accept, even if it kills me.

Homosexuality is such a deeply disordered infliction. We must pray for those inflicted with it so that they may endure to the end. We also must pray for those of our community that embrace the life style as if its actually okay. Personally, I believe its and attack on National Security and one of the many reasons I changed my avatar to Jack Bauer in protest to how far peole are willing to shove their sick agenda down our throats. I have several friends inflicted with this disease. Some of them are the reason I left the seminary, they were there too. I learned things from that community that convinced me of their perverted minds, inclinded to sin - cross boundaries.

Well said. D. James Kennedy wrote about 10 years ago about the homosexual political movement’s goal of defining deviancy downward. It is an attempt to make previously unacceptable behavior seem less and less deviant, while at the same time painting those who object as haters and intolerant bigots. This has proven accurate as the California legislature has recently begun debating lowering the age of consent for sexual contact to 14. I once read a book that compared sin to catching an eagle. A trapper finds an area where an eagle catches prey, either a river or field. He then lays out a dead animal (fish near a river, squirrel in a field). The eagle will of course not take the bait, but eventually the eagle will become accustomed to seeing fresh bait out every day over the course of days and weeks. Over time the eagle will gradually get nearer and nearer to the bait and one day take it. Once the eagle gets used to taking the bait and doesn’t hesitate to eat it the trapper lays a net out near the bait and the process starts over. Once the eagle again begins to regularly take the bait the trapper begins edging the net nearer and nearer to the bait until the bait is on the net. When the eagle comes in to take the bait he is used to seeing for months the trap is sprung. Sin works the same way, gradual steps until the trap is sprung. We Christians must be vigilant and warn others when there is a free lunch laid out in the field.