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Mommy_of_3
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LOL!Hey ortho, Your running out of my posts to comment on…I really have nothing to say, but I’ll put this here so you can have something to do.
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Libero
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But civil unions do not define a couple as a family, they define a couple as two people who have devoted themselves to each other. There is further problem with the idea of impossing Christ’s law and ideals upon a society, as not everyone in that society is Christian. What about other religious people - Muslims, Jews etc. What about agnostics and atheists? We cannot force our beliefs upon them, and can Christians themselves find a single viewpoint on the matter - definetely not - people such as the pope and some RC bishops and other bishops would most certainly oppose civil unions, however, people such as Bishop Gumbleton, Bishop Spong, Bishop Robinson and Archbishop Williams would probably not voice opposition to civil unions.
How can we oppose civil unions as a society, when as a Christian church we cannot even find one similar view? It is impossible to impose a belief, defending it with the claim that it is founded in Christian ideology, which is not even defined.
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Ortho
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Not at all. I see Christians writing about Truth (with a capital T) all the time, What do they mean by that. Is it different from truth ( with a lower case T)? Do you know?
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luvmykids
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The Truth, God’s word. The ultimate Truth. The almighty Truth. The Truth in any given situation no matter what the circumstance is. The Truth that never changes and transcends time. It was the Truth 3000 years ago and is the Truth today. The truth is that I went to the store today and bought earings for myself. Now I could lie and say that I bought groceries or socks, but I’m telling the truth.
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luvmykids
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Most other “religious” people, Muslims, Jews, etc… hold the same beliefs we as Catholics do about homosexuality and it’s consequences, so it would be impossible for us to push our beliefs on them. There are those who dissent, example: some of the people on this forum who say they believe SSM should be legal. Agnostics and atheists make up for about .1%-.3% of the population.
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catlicgirl88
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U are forgetting smething. Der is a grwing atheism, dey believe in Science isntead. U are also forgetting dat jst 'coz dey say dey r christian doesn’t mean dat dey dnt disregard religious beliefs. I jst dnt get it. Also y cnt the gvrnment pass gay marriage? Its not as if dey’re going to make the churches of our religion and the churchges or mosque of other religions right? The wed lock should be outside teh church or religions.
Its unfair to notgive them freedom. I gtta admit i dnt rili like gay marriage.
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Ortho
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I guess we are not talking in circles if you really do make a distinction between Truth and truth. See, now I know what Christians mean when they use Truth.
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Ortho
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But Catholics who reject the Vatican teaching on marriage make up an overwhelming majority.
The religions may have documents saying something, but, as we see with Catholics, that dosn’t mean the people accept. Those who accept are a much smaller group. So, those atheists have huge support from Catholics, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, etc.
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catlicgirl88
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Ur not mad at me r u
. I feel as if u r. Hey hold ur horse i knw its d truth but i feel as if its wrng to force it on their throats! I thhought it was 2000 years ago anyways. But u r ryt about teh truth part. I"M CATHOLIC, well i gss. A little but wnt it b unfair to force it down on them if dey’re not included in any religions dat say that its wrong. i mean i knw its wrong but u gtta admit it seems unfair although its good. i just have conflictinng emotions about gay marriage. Its like u want to respect dem but u dnt want to hurt them eaither by allowing gay marriage 'coz u knw iits a sin. It just feels weird, to force it on them. I feel as if i would be doing a crime because dey are not christian, muslim. Not all of them are but if dey’re catholic or christian i would say dnt .
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goofyjim
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I haven’t read all the posts but has anyone mentioned that is primarily unhealthy for the two partners physically (I can’t go into detail) and therefore would drive up health costs for society as a whole?
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kaymart
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Catholic’s who reject The Church’s Teachings are not true to their Faith, I personally have no use for a “so-called Catholic” who tells me I’m a fool for believing in the Teachings of the Church, the ones who laugh at me for going to Confession 2x a month, for not using BC (when I was younger), for my strong stand on issues such abortion, SSM and the like. Most Devout Catholic’s would rather have a smaller stronger Church, then a mass number of CINO’s (Catholic in name only). People like yourself who are not Catholic, and I respect that, I am more then willing to explain why we do what we do, but when you repeatly insult Our Church in many different threads on CAF, where many people so patiently try to explain to you and even some have provided links to help you understand. Either you really don’t understand and need more help, perhaps talk to a Priest, you don’t have to be Catholic, but if you are just here to cause trouble and try to make fools out of Catholic’s I am asking you politely to please STOP. It’s not funny.
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Libero
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Yeah that was discussed quite a while ago, however some points were brought up about the fact that the attitude of homosexuals having diseases is not really fair, and is a bit of a stereotype.
This was said, as it seems to ignore lesbians, sexual infection rates among lesbians are very low, thus trying to claim that it is homosexuals that have many STD’s is not looking at the entire picture.
Also, it seems that the attitude about homosexuals having more diseases, especially STD’s is actually an out dated belief. This year, in a number of places, AIDS/HIV figures were higher among heterosexuals than among homosexuals.
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catlicgirl88
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Pls dnt say that the homosexual marriage haqve huge support from us catholics. I only meant that SOME not the MAJORITY. Pls dnt put such comments. It really offend, specially if there is no evidence. Pls dnt comment such thing. I was only trying to be gentler to the gay byut dat doesn’t mean i really support them because i dnt. i was only feeling bad for their ryts although i knw gay ,arriage is a harmful to one’s soul. 
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Ortho
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Lesbians? They have the lowest rate of STD.
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Libero
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I frequently hear the notion that many Catholics would rather have a smaller more devout church. But then I always think afterwards that these Catholics do not realise quite how small such a church would be. Should the church try to remove all Catholics who do not agree with all teachings and doctrines of the church then they would be loosing bishops, cardinals and priests left right and centre, dicoses’ would be being closed down, people would not be able to get to churches, the church would loose a significant amount of money. It could be said that the “heretics” are both a blessing and a curse, for letting the church survive in such a vibrant manner, however they do also denounce church teaching.
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catlicgirl88
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true brother
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Ortho
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Well, then it might be more accurate to say Catholics who are true to their faith are trying to push their beliefs on others.
A strong and well developed system has no trouble with hard questions.
Nobody can be made a fool of if they have a strong and well developed position, and are willing to defend it. Fools make themselves.
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goofyjim
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Granted, but did you ever look at the medical explanations as to why STDs are faster spread through homosexual intercourse than through heterosexual intercourse? It was detailed in a book I read several years ago but I can’t remember the title.
As far as the HIV figures being higher among heterosexuals than homosexuals, could be for a number of reasons:
- How you view the statistics. The rate of new infections may not be as great because out of the population claiming to be exclusively homosexual has already risen beyond that of heterosexauls in the past and now it is just catch up time.
- Maybe fewer people are claiming to be homosexual thereby making it seem as though they acquired it heterosexually.
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catlicgirl88
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Dat Guy In The Name Of Ortho Is Getting On My Nerves Pls Stop Putting Generalization, Not For Me But For The Catholics And Christians. Dnt Generalize Dem By Saying That They Suport Gay Marriage. I Mean HuGe Supports. Ur Getting On My Nerves! If U Wnt Stop It Den U Gss U Should Jst Leave. Ur Hurting Some Of Us :d
WAIT I TAKE DAT BAACK. DAT WAS TOO HARSH I GSS AND MAYBE INAPPORPRIATE. MY APOLOGIES
WAIT I TAKE DAT BAACK. DAT WAS TOO HARSH I GSS AND MAYBE INAPPORPRIATE. MY APOLOGIES
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goofyjim
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Obviously, I meant male homosexuals.:banghead:
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