Same-sex marriages: Let it be!

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When people see the light, they will change. The light comes from within, and gays are perfectly able to experience this light as are we.
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So basically,you are turning a blind eye to repercussions of just going along until there is a conversion of sorts by the gay community? Meanwhile the chaos and confusion that we are already seeing will just continue to increase.Haven’t you noticed that now in addition to SSA we are seeing a preponderance of gender confused children being encouraged by their politically correct parents and the liberal progressives to be whatever gender they feel like being.This is so perverse,cannot even fathom what will emerge next!😦
 
alllll right…all we need to do is ''just preach the Bible" eh Robert…as long as their in love it’s ok…and we love everybody…you are right about that sir…we do love people regardless oif their preference foir gender…but one has to wonder just how youi were…if ever…in all respects…catechized…if we proceeded with the ‘‘as that is needed is love’’ there would be no discernment…lets just do what feels good…this entire nonsense that continues on the guise of ‘‘as long as they are in love’’…it’s just as members of the clergy who sit by and smile as openly gay individuals tout their appreciation for the Church acceptance of them…single heterosexual individuals are called to live, according to the teachings of the Church I grew up in, chaste celebant lives unless they are living in a Sacramental marriage, one man one woman…then they are called to be open to having children…so I am glad that you have friends that identify themselves as homosexual that are terrific people…guess what so do I…but i can assure you…we dodn’t discuss our preference for gender in the course of normal conversation…I could go on…but I am certain that someone more eloquant can better express the teachings of mother Church.
 
We cannot let it be. There is nothing morally wrong about a person that has homosexual tendencies. That person deserves every bit as much love and respect as anyone else. That being said, the Bible and Holy Mother Church has stated over and over again that to engage in a homosexual lifestyle is gravely immoral. These persons need help (through programs such as Courage) to enable them to carry this heavy cross chastely. Same Sex marriage would not allow for this. Allowing two persons of either the same or opposite sex who are attracted to each other to cohabitate would be putting them in a constant occasion of sin and scandal to others.
 
Robert_Sock said:
When people see the light, they will change. The light comes from within, and gays are perfectly able to experience this light as are we.
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What light would you shine, what example would you set, that would assist people in same sex relationships come to the conclusion that such are wrong? How would this be accomplished without opposing the State’s contrary message?
 
No, not turning a blind eye at all. Mother Church needs to remind the world, the best it can, as to how SSM goes against traditional church teachings. This message needs to be delivered so the common people know the issues.

Forcing people to do “good” is always a mistake. Issues like this needs to come from the heart. Love and peace must be nurtured; force is bad.
 
Robert_Sock said:
No, not turning a blind eye at all. Mother Church needs to remind the world, the best it can, as to how SSM goes against traditional church teachings. This message needs to be delivered so the common people know the issues.

Forcing people to do “good” is always a mistake. Issues like this needs to come from the heart. Love and peace must be nurtured; force is bad.
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Tell that to those who are intent on forcing their lifestyle on people of faith in particular.It goes both ways.Just capitulating to the liberal agenda,in hopes that those who are intent on forcing acceptance of the homosexual lifestyle,will wake up and see the light,is not the solution.
 
I almost NEVER state my opposition to same-sex attraction, marriage, adoption, etc. unless or until the topic is raised by someone else and I perceive an obligation to present a counterpoint to LGBTQ lobbying.

It really annoys me when gay activists raise the topic and get all in-your-face, then complain that Christians are the ones with the obsession about sex.
 
Robert_Sock said:
No, not turning a blind eye at all. Mother Church needs to remind the world, the best it can, as to how SSM goes against traditional church teachings. This message needs to be delivered so the common people know the issues.

Forcing people to do “good” is always a mistake. Issues like this needs to come from the heart. Love and peace must be nurtured; force is bad.
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Who is being forced to do good? Opposing SSM does not do that.
 
Lion_IRC said:
I almost NEVER state my opposition to same-sex attraction, marriage, adoption, etc. unless or until the topic is raised by someone else and I perceive an obligation to present a counterpoint to LGBTQ lobbying.

It really annoys me when gay activists raise the topic and get all in-your-face, then complain that Christians are the ones with the obsession about sex.
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Most of the threads here in CAF about same-sex attraction, marriage, adoption, etc. are not started by “gay activists”, so there do seem to be a lot of people here besides them who are obsessed about gay sex. 🤷
 
I have to wonder whether setting up church prayer groups to pray for the gay community might be more advantageous than focusing on the political route. I really believe that prayers do work. On election day, I’ll spend the day devoted to prayer instead of casting votes.
 
Robert_Sock said:
Without ssm being allowed the Church is, in a sense, forcing gays not to marry.
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That is tongue in cheek, right?

First, the Church does not set the civil law. It merely puts its case and the people and their legislature decide.

Second, do you argue that all things must be permitted so as to avoid denying them to someone?
 
Robert_Sock said:
Without ssm being allowed the Church is, in a sense, forcing gays not to marry.
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What you said is the same as to say “with the 10 commandments commanded by God forbidding us to do certain things is, in a sense, forcing us not to sin.” The Church founded by God himself doesn’t" force" anything. You either accept and live the teachings following his commandments (which by the way its written in the natural law as precepts), or you don’t (if you don’t, then you aren’t catholic) .
 
Thorolfr said:
Unfortunately, most LGBT people do not experience the Catholic Church as the most loving institution when it comes to them. 🤷
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Very few people seem to be latching onto this point. Some posters even questioned it.

Shouldn’t it be our goal to reach out to them with loving arms. From a Church based point of view I think they should be seen and treated in the same way as we treat unmarried heterosexual couples living together. No more, no less. The difference is that the Catholic Church doesn’t marry them and cannot marry them.

(Robert Sock - you opened a can of worms with this thread)
 
Rau said:
That is tongue in cheek, right?
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No.
Rau said:
First, the Church does not set the civil law. It merely puts its case and the people and their legislature decide.
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OK. I agree.
Rau said:
Second, do you argue that all things must be permitted so as to avoid denying them to someone?
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No! But something as socially powerful a movement as gay rights right now, we can be rather sure that SSM is here to stay, and maybe it will even grow. What do you plan to do when it becomes a human right across the nation and in other parts of the West? I’ll be in silent prayer, praying for gays.
 
Robert_Sock said:
If same-sex couples believe that marriage will bring them happiness, let it be. I’m not going to fight it. I feel a deep love for gay people, just the same way I love straight people. Some worry that same-sex marriage may destroy the family, I doubt it. All we really need to do is preach the bible and those who light is ignited will turn from all evil.
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I think what you propose would have worked when the gay community was still in the, “live and let live”, stance they took at the beginning. They now demand special treatment. They want homosexuality to be taught in school that it is just another lifestyle and a good one, even starting in the youngest classes. They want all businesses to give them services for their weddings and if they don’t they want to put them out of business.

Read the book, “Making Gay Ok” to see what will happen.
 
Robert_Sock said:
No! But something as socially powerful a movement as gay rights right now, we can be rather sure that SSM is here to stay, and maybe it will even grow. What do you plan to do when it becomes a human right across the nation and in other parts of the West? I’ll be in silent prayer, praying for gays.
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It is akin to abortion in the strength of the movement. Why must my position change on either?
 
Robert_Sock said:
I have to wonder whether setting up church prayer groups to pray for the gay community might be more advantageous than focusing on the political route. I really believe that prayers do work. On election day, I’ll spend the day devoted to prayer instead of casting votes.
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I don’t think praying did much to stop the abortion laws. People had to get out and vote in pro-life people but it was too late. It just might be too late for this topic as well. Church leaders need to speak up but that seems to be sorely lacking.
 
oneofmany said:
I think what you propose would have worked when the gay community was still in the, “live and let live”, stance they took at the beginning. They now demand special treatment. They want homosexuality to be taught in school that it is just another lifestyle and a good one, even starting in the youngest classes. They want all businesses to give them services for their weddings and if they don’t they want to put them out of business.

Read the book, “Making Gay Ok” to see what will happen.
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That book was a blueprint for not just the homosexual community, but the entire progressive agenda. It is frightening to look back and see how easily the public was lead down this hole. Between that book and Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” every explanation of tactics used by progressives is laid bare for all to see. And the really sad part is that even with this knowledge, it continues to work.
 
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