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ComplineSanFran, you are a patient and gracious person, but you have to know how concerned we are for you. This is why we argue this point; that is: because it is our duty to speak to those who accept error in the belief that they have found the truth. For while you may be without any culpability, as God alone can judge your soul and the understanding from which you take your direction, we know what has been handed on to us, we know what our duty is, particularly to those who seek to belong wholly to Christ, and that we will have no excuse if we fail in that duty. With you we know we do not throw pearls before swine, but speak to one whose heart is open to follow the truth.

That is why we cannot be silent, but must take the chance of stirring up strife in order to offer this correction to you. We have to be sad that you do not appear to be open to this correction, but we are yet thankful that you have not found this any occasion for enmity between us.
Thank you for your kind words, EasterJoy, but you DO realize, don’t you, that I am one of many who post on these forums who are of like beliefs?

And I am only one of millions of Episcopalian/Anglicans around the world who also believe and support homosexual equality in all things, including priesthood, episcopacy, and in marriages. Different Churches and denominations are making statements about this on a regular basis, such as the Church of Norway has done this past month. We are talking millions and millions of Christians around the world who faithfully believe in God’s inclusion. It’s not about numbers though; it is more that the Church is discerning the way God is calling us.

I appreciate that we can be Church together while in disagreement. It’s a bit like the Lutherans who are standing together with the Roman Catholics this next year to mark the 500th anniversary of the Reformation. I would imagine that there are still disagreements, but both communities know that we are living out our Christian faith together. Even if it took 500 years, they can now come together in prayer.

It bodes well for us all.
 
Thank you for your kind words, EasterJoy, but you DO realize, don’t you, that I am one of many who post on these forums who are of like beliefs?
You understand that your sincerity is not necessarily in question, but rather we believe that the path you have chosen is mistaken. You were not able to explain the basis of your decision in terms of Scripture or Tradition or Reason, but rather appeal to the current trend. I’m sure you understand why we, with Scripture, Tradition and Reason supporting our faith, intend to hold firm.
And I… believe and support homosexual equality in all things, including priesthood, episcopacy, and in marriages.
One can certainly form the judgement that to experience same sex sexual attraction does not exclude one from these callings. But how does one arrive at the conclusion that sexual acts and marriage attempted between, say, 2 men, are good and holy? :confused:
It’s not about numbers though; it is more that the Church is discerning the way God is calling us.
Not all Churches are discerning the same thing. Are they all correct, or are some of them in error?
 
Thank you for your kind words, EasterJoy, but you DO realize, don’t you, that I am one of many who post on these forums who are of like beliefs?

And I am only one of millions of Episcopalian/Anglicans around the world who also believe and support homosexual equality in all things, including priesthood, episcopacy, and in marriages. Different Churches and denominations are making statements about this on a regular basis, such as the Church of Norway has done this past month. We are talking millions and millions of Christians around the world who faithfully believe in God’s inclusion. It’s not about numbers though; it is more that the Church is discerning the way God is calling us.

I appreciate that we can be Church together while in disagreement. It’s a bit like the Lutherans who are standing together with the Roman Catholics this next year to mark the 500th anniversary of the Reformation. I would imagine that there are still disagreements, but both communities know that we are living out our Christian faith together. Even if it took 500 years, they can now come together in prayer.

It bodes well for us all.
On Jan. 15, 2016, the Episcopal Church was censured by the Anglican communion over this change in marriage doctrine, so no, this does not “bode well” in the way you mean it.

As the primates explained (in part):
primates2016.org/articles/2016/01/15/communique-primates/
Recent developments in the Episcopal Church with respect to a change in their Canon on marriage represent a fundamental departure from the faith and teaching held by the majority of our Provinces on the doctrine of marriage…The traditional doctrine of the church in view of the teaching of Scripture, upholds marriage as between a man and a woman in faithful, lifelong union. The majority of those gathered reaffirm this teaching.

as a result, they felt a need to acknowledge the deep seriousness of this departure in a public and unequivocal way:
*“It is our unanimous desire to walk together. However given the seriousness of these matters we formally acknowledge this distance by requiring that for a period of three years The Episcopal Church no longer represent us on ecumenical and interfaith bodies, should not be appointed or elected to an internal standing committee and that while participating in the internal bodies of the Anglican Communion, they will not take part in decision making on any issues pertaining to doctrine or polity.

“We have asked the Archbishop of Canterbury to appoint a Task Group to maintain conversation among ourselves with the intention of restoration of relationship, the rebuilding of mutual trust, healing the legacy of hurt, recognising the extent of our commonality and exploring our deep differences, ensuring they are held between us in the love and grace of Christ.”*

I hardly need to tell you that Rome has also been unequivocal in its defense of the doctrine that by its nature marriage cannot be contracted between persons of the same sex. A marriage between persons of the same sex is not just forbidden. It is impossible.

If you believe it is possible for two persons of the same sex to contract a marriage, it is my duty as a fellow Christian to both respect you and correct you.

C’est tout simplement impossible!
 
On Jan. 15, 2016, the Episcopal Church was censured by the Anglican communion over this change in marriage doctrine, so no, this does not “bode well” in the way you mean it.
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Actually things turned out quite well during the Anglican Consultative Council, which happened just recently in Lusaka, Zambia. (Participation in that gathering was censured, as you mentioned, during the Primates’ Meeting)

The report back from TEC’s representatives (in part) read:

'Because this ACC meeting was held in the shadow of the January Primates Gathering and Meeting that sought to restrict our participation as members from The Episcopal Church, we want to assure you that we participated fully in this meeting and that we were warmly welcomed and included by other ACC members.

Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby did report to the ACC on the Primates Gathering and Meeting [see here] on the first day of the meeting. Beyond that report, ACC members seemed to have little energy for answering the primates’ call for consequences, for discussing disagreements over human sexuality, or for taking up the call of Anglican Communion Secretary-General Josiah Idowu-Fearon to pursue the Anglican Covenant.’

I believe the fire is out and all is well.

The conclusion of that report sums up the diversity of the Anglican Communion and despite batting heads over issues and concerns, we are in this together, whatever that turns out to be.

‘IIn our time together as sister and brothers in Christ we have once again witnessed the breadth and diversity of our global family of churches known as the Anglican Communion. We thank God for the many and different ways that Anglicans around the world are participating in God’s mission of restoration and reconciliation and for our unity as disciples of Jesus. As members of ACC we are firmly committed to the Episcopal Church’s full participation in the Anglican Communion.’

episcopalchurch.org/posts/publicaffairs/letter-lusaka-episcopal-church-team-writes-church-conclusion-acc-meeting
 
Not all Churches are discerning the same thing. Are they all correct, or are some of them in error?
I don’t believe it is an either/or situation. God is too big for that. We are asked to be faithful witnesses to God’s calling. I believe The Episcopal Church is doing just that. I also believe that the Roman Catholic Church is doing just that. Just as I believe the Jews are answering God’s call to be in Covenant with Him.

We can never, ever know God fully. If we think we do know God, then we are sorely mistaken. (I believe it was St Augustine who first said that.)
 
…The conclusion of that report sums up the diversity of the Anglican Communion and despite batting heads over issues and concerns, we are in this together, whatever that turns out to be…
That’s nice that you agree to continue to work as a team…but your position on marriage has been censured and declared contrary to the teaching of Christ…by the leaders of your team. I believe God can only be on one side of THAT debate!
 
I don’t believe it is an either/or situation. God is too big for that. We are asked to be faithful witnesses to God’s calling. I believe The Episcopal Church is doing just that.
So it is God who calls different Churches in different - contradictory - ways? Translate that philosophy to the individual and we would have no need for Church at all. No right, no wrong. Each to his own…

If God can call different people to contradictory variations of the truth, then “reason” can play no part in moral theology.
 
I don’t believe it is an either/or situation. God is too big for that. We are asked to be faithful witnesses to God’s calling. I believe The Episcopal Church is doing just that. I also believe that the Roman Catholic Church is doing just that. Just as I believe the Jews are answering God’s call to be in Covenant with Him.

We can never, ever know God fully. If we think we do know God, then we are sorely mistaken. (I believe it was St Augustine who first said that.)
Reconsider your position. St Augustine also said, after all, “If you believe what you like in the gospels, and reject what you don’t like, it is not the gospel you believe, but yourself.”

Did you just say God is “too big” for one moral law? What Doctor of the Church ever taught any such thing? Where is it in Holy Scriptures? In other words and with all due respect, where on earth did you *get *that?

How can you say on one hand, “if we think we do know God, then we are sorely mistaken” yet be entirely certain on the other hand that it must be a response to the call of God when Christians feel drawn to conform ourselves to secular culture in defiance of the plain meaning of Holy Scriptures and Tradition regarding the immutability of moral law? How can you not tremble to suggest we ought to contentedly ignore the repeated warnings by all the early witnesses of Christ against caving in to any human wisdom that seeks to accommodate the age-old desires of the flesh as if they were a new affliction, unknown to our ancestors?

On this particular matter, St. Augustine did not at all resign himself to ignorance of moral law. He never remotely conceded moral law to be a matter on which God would lead one group of Christians in one way and others in another, because knowledge of His infinite wisdom was beyond knowing!!! He never said anything like that!

Can it at any time or place be an unrighteous thing for a man to love God with all his heart, with all his soul, and with all his mind, and his neighbour as himself? Therefore those offenses which be contrary to nature are everywhere and at all times to be held in detestation and punished; such were those of the Sodomites, which should all nations commit, they should all be held guilty of the same crime by the divine law, which has not so made men that they should in that way abuse one another. For even that fellowship which should be between God and us is violated, when that same nature of which He is author is polluted by the perversity of lust. But those offenses which are contrary to the customs of men are to be avoided according to the customs severally prevailing; so that an agreement made, and confirmed by custom or law of any city or nation, may not be violated at the lawless pleasure of any, whether citizen or stranger. For any part which is not consistent with its whole is unseemly. But when God commands anything contrary to the customs or compacts of any nation to be done, though it were never done by them before, it is to be done; and if intermitted it is to be restored, and, if never established, to be established. For if it be lawful for a king, in the state over which he reigns, to command that which neither he himself nor any one before him had commanded, and to obey him cannot be held to be inimical to the public interest,— nay, it were so if he were not obeyed (for obedience to princes is a general compact of human society),— how much more, then, ought we unhesitatingly to obey God, the Governor of all His creatures! For as among the authorities of human society the greater authority is obeyed before the lesser, so must God above all.”
The Confessions of St. Augustine, Book 3, Ch. 8, No. 15

If you want to quote St. Augustine, then, listen to St. Augustine. Renounce this new teaching, if for no other reason than that same St. Augustine whom you quoted so clearly tells you it is in error.

On the matter of different churches following different teachings, re-read Revelations, chapters 2-3. Different churches, but judged by the same standard, which is the standard of compliance to what Our Lord taught through His Apostles:

I know your works, your love, faith, service, and endurance, and that your last works are greater than the first. Yet I hold this against you, that you tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, who teaches and misleads my servants to play the harlot and to eat food sacrificed to idols.
Rev. 2:19-20

*Remember then how you accepted and heard; keep it, and repent. If you are not watchful, I will come like a thief, and you will never know at what hour I will come upon you. *
Rev. 3:2

and later:

*Those whom I love, I reprove and chastise. Be earnest, therefore, and repent. *Rev. 3:19

Brother, we are not saying that sexual sins are the worst sins one can commit. We are saying, however, that there is such a thing as a sexual sin, even when it comes from biological urges that we must master but have not been given the power to erase.

There is nothing to say that those who master the most difficult trials will not merit the greatest crowns, nor that those who sin the most visibly or the most often have not also had the most victories, because we cannot count how many or how difficult are the trials of each one. There is, of course, mercy for all who fall and yet seek to amend and repent, even for seven times seventy times, for God does not ask us to be more patient that God is Himself.

No, we do not propose to judge persons, but rather judge this new teaching to be an invention, an error, and a departure from the faith. The moral law does not change to “fit the times.” No, Christians must tear themselves away from the demands of their times and conform themselves to the faith. We have been warned strictly and repeatedly about that since the Church began.
 
“I’m sorry we won’t be able to attend. Wishing you well. Thanks for the invitation.”
Don’t say “I’m sorry”, because you’re not. You can tell them, politely, your moral objection, or simply decline without explanation. Honestly, the Church’s teaching on supposed same-sex marriages is so clear that it should not be difficult to understand.
I’d say go to the reception. They’ll never know you skipped the ceremony anyway. That way you won’t be putting up a fence between you and them. But you’ll still be able to be on the right side of this. You’ll still avoid watching a sacrilege happen. So your conscience should be clean enough.

And that way you can have their cake. And eat it too. 😉

Peace durcris. Good luck.

-Trident
:eek: My vote is for politely declining without explanation. Going to the reception but not the wedding is a HUGE etiquette faux pas unless you have small children, a schedule conflict, or something else you’ve explained to the bride and groom (or in this case, grooms) beforehand.

Even if I didn’t notice at the time, I would have been very hurt and offended if I had later found out that one of my guests came and partied at my reception but didn’t think the wedding was important enough to bother. That’s just insulting and makes you look like a mooch.
I agree the latter response. Going to the reception still implies approval of the action. No congratulations or any positive remark about the so-called wedding can be made without sin; to do so would be to be accessory to sin by praise, flattery and approval. You don’t need to beat them over-the-head with doctrine, however. Simply decline. But if they ask a reason, I wouldn’t hesitate to tell them the reason.

By the way, do these people know you’re a devout Catholic who follows the teachings of the Church (should be redundant, but it’s not)? If they’re close to you, and they don’t, then you probably need to live your faith more publically. If they do, and they still offered it, I would call them out for being rude. They may disagree with your position, but to ask someone to do something you know they believe is wrong is very rude.

Benedicat Deus,
Latinitas
 
By the way, do these people know you’re a devout Catholic who follows the teachings of the Church (should be redundant, but it’s not)? If they’re close to you, and they don’t, then you probably need to live your faith more publically. If they do, and they still offered it, I would call them out for being rude. They may disagree with your position, but to ask someone to do something you know they believe is wrong is very rude.

Benedicat Deus,
Latinitas
I strongly disagree with your previous point that you should tell them why you aren’t going. Offering that up without being asked is a great way to drive a wedge between yourself and every person in your husband’s family who supports this couple.

And I also disagree that it was rude to invite them. I have several mass attending friends and relatives who would think nothing of going to a gay couple’s wedding. And the couple has no way of knowing whether or not a given Catholic would like to attend unless that Catholic has been going around offering up negative opinions of gay marriage at family events. An invitation is not a subpoena, and it’s never rude to issue an invitation. Failing to invite a relative because you assume they’re anti gay marriage would be very rude.
 
Don’t say “I’m sorry”, because you’re not. You can tell them, politely, your moral objection, or simply decline without explanation. Honestly, the Church’s teaching on supposed same-sex marriages is so clear that it should not be difficult to understand.
It is no lie whatsoever to say that the situation is regrettable. Remember that the two people in question are reportedly praiseworthy in many other respects. There seems to be little doubt the OP would attend their weddings in a heartbeat, if either one of them were validly marrying a woman. Of course the OP is sorry these men aren’t choosing to contract a marriage in which all can rejoice!

There is no reason to explain the moral objection to someone who already knows the teaching of the Church and is entirely unlikely to listen to a sermon on the subject. There is no moral law requiring us to cast our pearls before swine, so to speak.

As for being rude to invite them, the rules of ettiquette don’t allow a cousin to put one relative on the guest list and to leave another relative of equal rank off, or to invite one spouse to the wedding and not the other. Good manners forces them to invite them all. The gracious thing to do is to extend the invitation and then to be magnanimous about whatever decision any particular guest makes with regards to his or her conscience.
 
In my personal opinion same sex marriage defiles that original pact that God made with Adom and Eve. Humans were created to be heterosexual and that is it. Not homo sexual and I also believe that homosexuality is one of Satans tricks that he tries to play on people to lure them away from God.

I dont have a problem with homosexuals but they need to hide it and live a heterosexual life.
 
In my personal opinion same sex marriage defiles that original pact that God made with Adom and Eve. Humans were created to be heterosexual and that is it. Not homo sexual and I also believe that homosexuality is one of Satans tricks that he tries to play on people to lure them away from God.

I dont have a problem with homosexuals but they need to hide it and live a heterosexual life.
Just to clarify “not having a problem with homosexuals”: The Church does not teach that anyone needs to hide or needs to disclose inclinations that they cannot morally act on. That is their choice. The only moral imperative is to not act on the inclination nor to try to teach anyone that it would be moral to do so.

Sometimes it is easier to cope with your trials with greater privacy, sometimes it is easier if more people know. It is a personal choice and it is no one else’s business. At any rate, we should look to do whatever will help our brothers and sisters bear whatever burdens they have, just as we hope Heaven will send us the grace to bear our own. Remember the measure we use with others is the measure that will be measured out to us. Be as generous as can be, and yet be careful that you only measure out the good stuff.
 
I strongly disagree with your previous point that you should tell them why you aren’t going. Offering that up without being asked is a great way to drive a wedge between yourself and every person in your husband’s family who supports this couple.
A wedge that probably should be driven.
And I also disagree that it was rude to invite them. I have several mass attending friends and relatives who would think nothing of going to a gay couple’s wedding. And the couple has no way of knowing whether or not a given Catholic would like to attend unless that Catholic has been going around offering up negative opinions of gay marriage at family events. An invitation is not a subpoena, and it’s never rude to issue an invitation. Failing to invite a relative because you assume they’re anti gay marriage would be very rude.
If a Catholic has a crucifix in their office, has images of Mary around, has the Rosary playing on occasion, goes to Mass daily/weekly, that’s a good sign they agree with the Church’s position. An invitation here would be uncalled for. If that person wants to go but is not invited, he has themselves to blame; he gave a reasonable impression of being a devout practictioner of a religion which condemns same-sex marriage.
It is no lie whatsoever to say that the situation is regrettable. Remember that the two people in question are reportedly praiseworthy in many other respects. There seems to be little doubt the OP would attend their weddings in a heartbeat, if either one of them were validly marrying a woman. Of course the OP is sorry these men aren’t choosing to contract a marriage in which all can rejoice!
Indeed one is sorry that the situation is regrettable…on their part. But saying “I’m sorry, I can’t go” sounds like, “I would go if I had the time, etc”, and not a serious objection based on moral grounds. Nevertheless, I can concede to you that I may have been too rigorous in judging this to be sinful in itself.
There is no reason to explain the moral objection to someone who already knows the teaching of the Church and is entirely unlikely to listen to a sermon on the subject. There is no moral law requiring us to cast our pearls before swine, so to speak.
Sure there is. They’ll know that you hold these teachings. They might think that you couldn’t attend the wedding for a scheduling reasons. What if there’s another reception they invite you too? Turning that one down too might make them think you’re personally against them, rather than holding that what they’re doing is morally wrong, but you don’t hate them.
As for being rude to invite them, the rules of ettiquette don’t allow a cousin to put one relative on the guest list and to leave another relative of equal rank off, or to invite one spouse to the wedding and not the other. Good manners forces them to invite them all. The gracious thing to do is to extend the invitation and then to be magnanimous about whatever decision any particular guest makes with regards to his or her conscience.
Etiquette does not demand that you invite someone if you convincing reasons to believe that a person is morally opposed to attending such an occasion. It’s one thing if you think they can’t come for scheduling reasons, another for moral reasons.

Benedicat Deus,
Latinitas
 
Sure there is. They’ll know that you hold these teachings. They might think that you couldn’t attend the wedding for a scheduling reasons. What if there’s another reception they invite you too? Turning that one down too might make them think you’re personally against them, rather than holding that what they’re doing is morally wrong, but you don’t hate them.

Etiquette does not demand that you invite someone if you convincing reasons to believe that a person is morally opposed to attending such an occasion. It’s one thing if you think they can’t come for scheduling reasons, another for moral reasons.

Benedicat Deus,
Latinitas
If you can talk to your relatives, yes, that is the ideal, but openness of the intended “couple” hosting the event to the admonishment that their attempt at same-sex marriage is patently immoral is extremely unlikely, so unlikely as to place giving this message in the category of casting pearls before swine. That is why the option of sending regrets without any reason does not violate the duty to admonish sinners or to educate the ignorant.

In the ideal world, there is this thing called communication and this thing called trust in which a relationship of mutual respect can operate. That is far into the realm of rarity in our times. If they want to know why the only family gatherings you refuse to attend are the same-sex weddings, they can ask. (Obviously, it is not morally required to refuse all social invitations from people living in objective sin. No one thinks that allowing somebody to host you at dinner signals a blanket acceptance of all their moral choices.)

It is regrettable, but you cannot tell who will and will not take offense by getting or not getting an invitation to a family social event by the presence or lack of the external trappings of Catholicism. You are stuck with ettiquette, which says “send invitations to all your relatives of a particular rank and their spouses, or else to none, to all the children in a certain age group from families of a particular rank, or to none” and so on.

The group that calls itself “Roman Catholic Womenpriests” have kept all the external trappings of our faith and believe themselves to be as fully within the Church as anyone else, even though they are all under the penalty of latae sententiae excommunication for the offense of attempting to ordain a woman! If the two men were raised Catholic and continue to receive the sacraments, which isn’t that rare, I would not be at all surprised to find that the two of them have found a “rent-a-priest” or a minister from a sect recently broken away from Rome to officiate.
 
A wedge that probably should be driven.
I’m not with you on that. We’re supposed to hate the sin. Not the sinner. So driving wedges isn’t the optimal hope here.
If a Catholic has a crucifix in their office, has images of Mary around, has the Rosary playing on occasion, goes to Mass daily/weekly, that’s a good sign they agree with the Church’s position. An invitation here would be uncalled for. If that person wants to go but is not invited, he has themselves to blame; he gave a reasonable impression of being a devout practictioner of a religion which condemns same-sex marriage.
And you’d maybe not want some dude with a different religion trying to drive a wedge because he thinks you’re wrong. After seeing all that around you.
Indeed one is sorry that the situation is regrettable…on their part. But saying “I’m sorry, I can’t go” sounds like, “I would go if I had the time, etc”, and not a serious objection based on moral grounds. Nevertheless, I can concede to you that I may have been too rigorous in judging this to be sinful in itself.
I know what you’re saying. And I sort of agree. But unless you can make your objection seem loving and kind I’m not sure it’s the right way to go. I mean it’s good to stand your ground when the hope is to change hearts. But these guys have already sent out the invites. So they’re not going to be swung by an RSVP card of judgment. So when the only possible outcome is negative I usually vote for staying in bed that day. Instead of going to that kind of effort.

I don’t know.

Peace Latinitas. It’s tough when you’ve got to make these kind of choices. I wish a guy wasn’t driven into this to start with.

-Trident
 
A wedge that probably should be driven.
To clarify: Wedges between ourselves and others are something we accept as the price of openly associating ourselves with portions of the truth hated by others, but NOT something we go looking for. Where the way is left open, we are to seek to be at peace with those willing to live with us in peace:

*Finally, all of you, be of one mind, sympathetic, loving toward one another, compassionate, humble. Do not return evil for evil, or insult for insult; but, on the contrary, a blessing, because to this you were called, that you might inherit a blessing.

For: “Whoever would love life and see good days must keep the tongue from evil and the lips from speaking deceit, must turn from evil and do good, seek peace and follow after it. For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous and his ears turned to their prayer, but the face of the Lord is against evildoers.”

Now who is going to harm you if you are enthusiastic for what is good? But even if you should suffer because of righteousness, blessed are you. Do not be afraid or terrified with fear of them, but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts. Always be ready to give an explanation to anyone who asks you for a reason for your hope, but do it with gentleness and reverence, keeping your conscience clear, so that, when you are maligned, those who defame your good conduct in Christ may themselves be put to shame. For it is better to suffer for doing good, if that be the will of God, than for doing evil.*
1 Pet. 3:8-17
 
If you can talk to your relatives, yes, that is the ideal, but openness of the intended “couple” hosting the event to the admonishment that their attempt at same-sex marriage is patently immoral is extremely unlikely, so unlikely as to place giving this message in the category of casting pearls before swine. That is why the option of sending regrets without any reason does not violate the duty to admonish sinners or to educate the ignorant.
Ah, but this underestimates the power of grace. Perhaps this time God will work in them. The Church keeps admonishing the sinner even if it seems like he is hardened. Also, there is the other problem in saying “I’m sorry”: it’s lying. You are not sorry for not going to their wedding, since there is no conceivable circumstance in which you would attend their wedding as a guest. Thus, saying “sorry” is false. Simply declining, without apologizing, or admonishing them, if one thinks it will do good, is the way to go.
In the ideal world, there is this thing called communication and this thing called trust in which a relationship of mutual respect can operate. That is far into the realm of rarity in our times. If they want to know why the only family gatherings you refuse to attend are the same-sex weddings, they can ask. (Obviously, it is not morally required to refuse all social invitations from people living in objective sin. No one thinks that allowing somebody to host you at dinner signals a blanket acceptance of all their moral choices.)
When it can be done without scandal, then yes this is true. But this is a married couple here, and that means that children are possible involved, or will be involved. Parents have every duty to prevent their children from growing accustomed to such perverse unions.
It is regrettable, but you cannot tell who will and will not take offense by getting or not getting an invitation to a family social event by the presence or lack of the external trappings of Catholicism. You are stuck with ettiquette, which says “send invitations to all your relatives of a particular rank and their spouses, or else to none, to all the children in a certain age group from families of a particular rank, or to none” and so on.
But this is where reason comes in. Honestly, if someone has a prominent crucifix, a rosary hanging on their door, a Catholic radio placard on their car, an icon of the Virgin Mary etc., a reasonable person interprets that as devoutly following the teachings of the Church. If that person then is offended by not being invited, he has himself to blame. I guarantee you that most of those so-called “Womenpriests” do not pray the Rosary very often, or sign possess traditional Catholic sacramentals. It’s too orthodox.
I’m not with you on that. We’re supposed to hate the sin. Not the sinner. So driving wedges isn’t the optimal hope here.
But we ought to love the soul of our neighbor more than the countenance of our neigbhor. The fact that he is offended at first, might lead him to reflect. Also, as I said above, since this is a married couple, they have to ensure that they do not allow their children to become accustomed to and content with the sacrilegious union which these two men are contracting.
And you’d maybe not want some dude with a different religion trying to drive a wedge because he thinks you’re wrong. After seeing all that around you.
Again, the temporal happiness of a sinner ought to be subordinated to eternal happiness thereof, and also of the good generally. I’m not suggesting berating him; if he interprets it that way, that is not your problem. But, making known your moral objection will (or at least should) prevent any invitations to follow-up celebrations and the like.
I know what you’re saying. And I sort of agree. But unless you can make your objection seem loving and kind I’m not sure it’s the right way to go. I mean it’s good to stand your ground when the hope is to change hearts. But these guys have already sent out the invites. So they’re not going to be swung by an RSVP card of judgment. So when the only possible outcome is negative I usually vote for staying in bed that day. Instead of going to that kind of effort.
I agree with your first part; if you can’t saying something without vitriol, then keeping your peace is the best way to go. But I do recommend avoiding obstinate sinners. Even Christ avoided such obstinate persons. I agree, you’re judgment is not probably going to stop them, but at least you’ll be a witness to the good. Remember that nothing so emboldens the wicked as the silence of the good. Just making known that we do hold the faith of the Church inviolate is a good in and of itself.
To clarify: Wedges between ourselves and others are something we accept as the price of openly associating ourselves with portions of the truth hated by others, but NOT something we go looking for. Where the way is left open, we are to seek to be at peace with those willing to live with us in peace:
There’s no doubt that we should seek harmony and peace between ourselves and the world in as much as this is possible without violating the good, but that latter point is key. But saying nothing, and keeping them as friends, you’re signaling your approval, or at least no strong disapproval. It’s one thing if the sin is private, another when it’s public and open as in this case. Nowhere have I suggested bashing them over the head with doctrine; all I’m saying is don’t imply sorrow for not being able to go, and if possible, make known that you do hold the Church’s teaching on this point. The passage you quoted fully concords with that.

Benedicat Deus,
Latinitas
 
Even if I didn’t notice at the time, I would have been very hurt and offended if I had later found out that one of my guests came and partied at my reception but didn’t think the wedding was important enough to bother. That’s just insulting and makes you look like a mooch.
Really? At my wedding there may have been some people were at the reception and not at Church. I didn’t see it as a big problem. 🤷

But I’m not even sure of the morality of attending a reception of a clearly invalid marriage here.
 
Thank you for your kind words, EasterJoy, but you DO realize, don’t you, that I am one of many who post on these forums who are of like beliefs?

And I am only one of millions of Episcopalian/Anglicans around the world who also believe and support homosexual equality in all things, including priesthood, episcopacy, and in marriages. Different Churches and denominations are making statements about this on a regular basis, such as the Church of Norway has done this past month. We are talking millions and millions of Christians around the world who faithfully believe in God’s inclusion. It’s not about numbers though; it is more that the Church is discerning the way God is calling us.

I appreciate that we can be Church together while in disagreement. It’s a bit like the Lutherans who are standing together with the Roman Catholics this next year to mark the 500th anniversary of the Reformation. I would imagine that there are still disagreements, but both communities know that we are living out our Christian faith together. Even if it took 500 years, they can now come together in prayer.

It bodes well for us all.
God does not approve of so-called gay “marriage” regardless of what churches say.
 
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