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We got invited to my husband’s cousin’s same sex wedding. I don’t want to go because I don’t agree with it, but I feel SO bad about not going because I really like his cousin and fiance. I wish they had not invited me.
 
We got invited to my husband’s cousin’s same sex wedding. I don’t want to go because I don’t agree with it, but I feel SO bad about not going because I really like his cousin and fiance. I wish they had not invited me.
“I’m sorry we won’t be able to attend. Wishing you well. Thanks for the invitation.”
 
“I’m sorry we won’t be able to attend. Wishing you well. Thanks for the invitation.”
Pretty much this. From a moral perspective, you shouldn’t attend. You can love them, and wish the best for them, but you cannot pretend that their ceremony has any validity. It’s definitely a difficult situation to find yourself in.
 
We got invited to my husband’s cousin’s same sex wedding. I don’t want to go because I don’t agree with it, but I feel SO bad about not going because I really like his cousin and fiance. I wish they had not invited me.
I’d say go to the reception. They’ll never know you skipped the ceremony anyway. That way you won’t be putting up a fence between you and them. But you’ll still be able to be on the right side of this. You’ll still avoid watching a sacrilege happen. So your conscience should be clean enough.

And that way you can have their cake. And eat it too. 😉

Peace durcris. Good luck.

-Trident
 
I’d say go to the reception. They’ll never know you skipped the ceremony anyway. That way you won’t be putting up a fence between you and them. But you’ll still be able to be on the right side of this. You’ll still avoid watching a sacrilege happen. So your conscience should be clean enough.

And that way you can have their cake. And eat it too. 😉

Peace durcris. Good luck.

-Trident
:eek: My vote is for politely declining without explanation. Going to the reception but not the wedding is a HUGE etiquette faux pas unless you have small children, a schedule conflict, or something else you’ve explained to the bride and groom (or in this case, grooms) beforehand.

Even if I didn’t notice at the time, I would have been very hurt and offended if I had later found out that one of my guests came and partied at my reception but didn’t think the wedding was important enough to bother. That’s just insulting and makes you look like a mooch.
 
I’d say go to the reception. They’ll never know you skipped the ceremony anyway. That way you won’t be putting up a fence between you and them. But you’ll still be able to be on the right side of this. You’ll still avoid watching a sacrilege happen. So your conscience should be clean enough.

And that way you can have their cake. And eat it too. 😉

Peace durcris. Good luck.

-Trident
There is a reason that it is idiomatic that you cannot have your cake and eat it, too.

You are more likely to offend these two people by pointedly missing the ceremony only than by missing the event itself without a comment (which can be dispensed with because they didn’t ask for your opinion and are extremely unlikely to be swayed by having heard it). Sorry, but the former is a bit legalistic. Either celebrate or refrain from celebrating. Don’t come to the party and just hope you blend in with the people who are really on board with this.

If confronted, it is OK to say, “I was torn over this, because I really like both of you and I care about your feelings, but I simply could not make peace with the concept of a same-sex couple having a marriage, which is a man-woman institution.” Don’t expect them to be anything but offended by that, but it is OK to let on that your affection for both of them and your knowledge that they disagree with you quite vehemently made this harder to do.

It isn’t unusual for about 1/3 of invited guests to fail to be able to make a wedding. Again: you don’t have to make a big point of something when you will only be sowing strife.
 
:eek: My vote is for politely declining without explanation. Going to the reception but not the wedding is a HUGE etiquette faux pas unless you have small children, a schedule conflict, or something else you’ve explained to the bride and groom (or in this case, grooms) beforehand.

Even if I didn’t notice at the time, I would have been very hurt and offended if I had later found out that one of my guests came and partied at my reception but didn’t think the wedding was important enough to bother. That’s just insulting and makes you look like a mooch.
There is a reason that it is idiomatic that you cannot have your cake and eat it, too.

You are more likely to offend these two people by pointedly missing the ceremony only than by missing the event itself without a comment (which can be dispensed with because they didn’t ask for your opinion and are extremely unlikely to be swayed by having heard it). Sorry, but the former is a bit legalistic. Either celebrate or refrain from celebrating. Don’t come to the party and just hope you blend in with the people who are really on board with this.

If confronted, it is OK to say, “I was torn over this, because I really like both of you and I care about your feelings, but I simply could not make peace with the concept of a same-sex couple having a marriage, which is a man-woman institution.” Don’t expect them to be anything but offended by that, but it is OK to let on that your affection for both of them and your knowledge that they disagree with you quite vehemently made this harder to do.

It isn’t unusual for about 1/3 of invited guests to fail to be able to make a wedding. Again: you don’t have to make a big point of something when you will only be sowing strife.
Oh oh. I’m on the hotseat now. Trying to be practical instead of principled. I’ve been caught reaching for cake I didn’t earn.

Well Ok. I see what you’re saying. You both have the same thing in your sights. And I mean that’s cool.

So my advice then would be to go. Because shunning’s not a thing I’d do. Standing on principle is fine and good when it accomplishes something. But when it’s just you and the mirror who know what you’re up to I don’t know if you’re coming ahead. You’re far more likely to have an impact on people who stay within arm’s reach.

If they respect you enough to invite you. Then respect them enough to go. We don’t always have to agree with the people we support.

Because I’ve heard this said before about protestant weddings. Or civil ceremonies too. I mean principles should not be higher than people. They should not be what we bow to. They are our guiding ideals. They are what we use as guardrails. But they’re not supposed to be turned into fences.

So I’d vote you go. That you be civil. That you be patient. And kind.

So that years later when you say something principled they’ll hopefully still be within earshot to hear it. Close enough even maybe to listen.

Peace my fair ladies. I will now step just a bit to one side to avoid getting run over. Run down in the charge to show me the door. 😉

-Trident
 
You should not go because same-sex marriage goes against Christian values.
 
We got invited to my husband’s cousin’s same sex wedding. I don’t want to go because I don’t agree with it, but I feel SO bad about not going because I really like his cousin and fiance. I wish they had not invited me.
😦 It’s certainly a difficult situation, however, I would recommend something like what Hoosier Daddy has said and I think that would probably be the best option for all parties involved.
“I’m sorry we won’t be able to attend. Wishing you well. Thanks for the invitation.”
If need be, you may have to give a reason why, in which may be harder, but I think if you are honest about it and respectfully and kindly decline going and thank them sincerely for their invitation, I think you should be fine.

I hope this has helped.

God Bless You

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
I see Trident’s point, but going is basically upholding it. The guests are ‘witnesses’, after all. You’re there, in a sense, to testify to it. By testifying, you condone it, saying, yes, this did happen, yes these people are joined.

… But in this case, it’s a lie.

A Protestant wedding is presumed to be valid, because marriage doesn’t strictly require a priest. If both parties intend marriage, marriage is presumed until proven not. There’s no comparison.
 
:eek: My vote is for politely declining without explanation.
However, if the OP is anything like me, the first question that pops into my head is “What if they ask why?” and thus I wouldn’t be able to do that unless I had a plan B for if they ask why.

So I would consider your option, but I wouldn’t actually go through with it unless I had a plan B ready for if they ask why, and if I have already come up with the why, I may as well promote it to plan A.

Especially if they know or suspect my views about marriage and family, they are not going to think I was simply busy or anything, and what’s worse, is if they grumble about your declining because they think something like “How were you too busy to come to our wedding? Couldn’t you make time for this?” and you yourself know along with others that you weren’t at all busy. Then every time it comes up you have to lie about it.

Their assumptions for the decline will be worse than giving a reason why, even if it is a poor reason, it will probably be better than what they may assume I think.

Anyway, just some of my thoughts, I hope this has helped

God Bless you

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
I see Trident’s point, but going is basically upholding it. The guests are ‘witnesses’, after all. You’re there, in a sense, to testify to it. By testifying, you condone it, saying, yes, this did happen, yes these people are joined.

… But in this case, it’s a lie.

A Protestant wedding is presumed to be valid, because marriage doesn’t strictly require a priest. If both parties intend marriage, marriage is presumed until proven not. There’s no comparison.
The other thing is too I believe, is that one will be there the whole time in disagreement with what is taking place and yet not say anything, I think it would also be unfair to them if they thought the whole time that I agreed and was congratulating them and after if they found out my views on marriage and family, they would likely be upset by the fact that I attended with those views and didn’t say anything, even worse, pretending as if I were congratulating them on this with everyone else.

Anyway, to the OP, they are likely to find out your views on marriage sooner or later, may as well get it out of the way now, as it will be so much worse, if you attended their wedding and then afterwards they find out you disagree with same sex marriage.

Anyway, I would think about it, and pray on it before drafting your response (to politely decline attending, thanking them sincerely for the invitation and honestly saying why you will not be attending), I’ll try and come up with a few ideas for you if this is the tract you wish to go down, which I think would be the best.

I would also try to find a way to include, that you really like them and count their friendship a great blessing in your response, but that you disagree with this and therefore can’t attend.

I hope this has helped

God Bless You

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
I see Trident’s point, but going is basically upholding it. The guests are ‘witnesses’, after all. You’re there, in a sense, to testify to it. By testifying, you condone it, saying, yes, this did happen, yes these people are joined.

… But in this case, it’s a lie.

A Protestant wedding is presumed to be valid, because marriage doesn’t strictly require a priest. If both parties intend marriage, marriage is presumed until proven not. There’s no comparison.
A practicing Catholic cannot in good conscience attend the wedding OR the reception. A homosexual union according to the Catholic church is intrinsically disordered and contrary to the natural law. Mentioning that in your regrets however, would not be recommended as it would be assumed the gay couple is not seeking spiritual advice. The most kind thing to do is politely decline, simply saying “Thank you for thinking of me I cannot make it.”

No, most of us don’t agree with others at all times. We can and should support others you are right. The only thing is we shouldn’t support others in their sins. I know people that have had abortions, multiple divorces, been in prison, been in gay unions you name it and they have been my friends and I am happy to say it. I have celebrated birthdays with them, picnics, all sorts of things but I wouldn’t celebrate something that actually celebrated a sin.

I wouldn’t attend a party to support a couple living together, I wouldn’t attend a party to celebrate someone getting a tax return that they scammed either. I wouldn’t attend any event to celebrate someone’s sin and that is what a gay “marriage” celebration is.
Well thanks for letting me down gently you guys. I mean I understand what you’re saying. And maybe you’re right.

The thing is it just feels like I’d be shunning people I love. Yeah for a good reason maybe. But still.

Maybe it’s because I grew up that way. Being told to drop people who didn’t fit the mold. And maybe it’s because my family’s treating me the same way now. I don’t know. I guess I’m just not very good at following God ahead of people yet. I still feel like God would understand what I’m doing. That He wouldn’t get too upset.

Whereas the people wouldn’t.

But I guess it might make a guy look a bit odd to attend a thing he doesn’t want to later own. So maybe I should leave this thread to those better able to make those types of choices.

I never was much cut out for a leadership role you know? So standing up on a hilltop with my back to the crowd just makes me feel like I’ve abandoned them.

Instead of like I’m trying to lead them. 😊

Peace guys.

-Trident
 
Well thanks for letting me down gently you guys. I mean I understand what you’re saying. And maybe you’re right.

The thing is it just feels like I’d be shunning people I love. Yeah for a good reason maybe. But still.

Maybe it’s because I grew up that way. Being told to drop people who didn’t fit the mold. And maybe it’s because my family’s treating me the same way now. I don’t know. I guess I’m just not very good at following God ahead of people yet. I still feel like God would understand what I’m doing. That He wouldn’t get too upset.

Whereas the people wouldn’t.

But I guess it might make a guy look a bit odd to attend a thing he doesn’t want to later own. So maybe I should leave this thread to those better able to make those types of choices.

I never was much cut out for a leadership role you know? So standing up on a hilltop with my back to the crowd just makes me feel like I’ve abandoned them.

Instead of like I’m trying to lead them. 😊

Peace guys.

-Trident
It’s not really shunning, though; it’s not attending an event that you can’t square with your moral perspective.

Shunning implies not inviting them to Thanksgiving dinner, striking them from the Christmas card list, and ignoring their very existence.

Let’s say that you really don’t like guns. They make you uncomfortable, you think that murder rates would drop astronomically if guns were banned tomorrow, you have a close relative who was murdered in a drive-by shooting, and you honestly believe that there is no moral reason to own one.

Fred, your cousin, is into guns. I mean,* really* into guns. This makes you uneasy, but you like Fred. He’s a nice guy. He’s generous to a fault, volunteers at the homeless shelter weekly, and, the gun thing aside, is the sort of person that you wish other people would be.

Fred decides to fulfill his lifelong dream of opening a gun store/shooting range, and throws a massive Opening Day bash to celebrate it. Of course, being Fred, he invites you, too. This is a Really Big Deal for Fred, who’s saved and planned for the last ten years to be able to do this. You realize that, and you also know Fred well enough to know that he’s got a solid business plan and will probably do well. Insofar as his doing well, you’re happy for him, but you still believe that private gun ownership is blatantly immoral.

Do you

a) announce that Fred is dead to you, the scum of the earth, et all?
b) send a note to the effect of “Sorry I can’t come, but I wish you the best!”
c) attend, feeling like a complete hypocrite the whole time because your presence implies support for something you cannot morally support at all?

Hint: when taking a multiple-choice test, answer b) is statistically most likely to be correct. 😉

(Yes, I know that homosexuality and gun ownership are not the same thing. Go with it for the moment.)
 
😦 It’s certainly a difficult situation, however, I would recommend something like what Hoosier Daddy has said and I think that would probably be the best option for all parties involved.

If need be, you may have to give a reason why, in which may be harder, but I think if you are honest about it and respectfully and kindly decline going and thank them sincerely for their invitation, I think you should be fine.

I hope this has helped.

God Bless You

Thank you for reading
Josh
In polite society one need not be pressed for a reason of declining an invitation to a social event. I’m sorry but we can’t make it should suffice. If a pushy cousin does press the op further I suggest a diplomatic answer. But the cousin probably will not ask a question they may not want an honest answer to.
 
Btw this exact and I mean exact situation will happen to me in the near future. I have a gay cousin whom I am close with and there will probably be a “wedding” at some point. He lives outside of San Fran. I doubt he would invite any family other than his brother and parents. But I’m sure he will know not to invite me. Perhaps I’ll be wrong and be posting like the op in the next couple years.
 
It’s not really shunning, though; it’s not attending an event that you can’t square with your moral perspective.

Shunning implies not inviting them to Thanksgiving dinner, striking them from the Christmas card list, and ignoring their very existence.

Let’s say that you really don’t like guns. They make you uncomfortable, you think that murder rates would drop astronomically if guns were banned tomorrow, you have a close relative who was murdered in a drive-by shooting, and you honestly believe that there is no moral reason to own one.

Fred, your cousin, is into guns. I mean,* really* into guns. This makes you uneasy, but you like Fred. He’s a nice guy. He’s generous to a fault, volunteers at the homeless shelter weekly, and, the gun thing aside, is the sort of person that you wish other people would be.

Fred decides to fulfill his lifelong dream of opening a gun store/shooting range, and throws a massive Opening Day bash to celebrate it. Of course, being Fred, he invites you, too. This is a Really Big Deal for Fred, who’s saved and planned for the last ten years to be able to do this. You realize that, and you also know Fred well enough to know that he’s got a solid business plan and will probably do well. Insofar as his doing well, you’re happy for him, but you still believe that private gun ownership is blatantly immoral.

Do you

a) announce that Fred is dead to you, the scum of the earth, et all?
b) send a note to the effect of “Sorry I can’t come, but I wish you the best!”
c) attend, feeling like a complete hypocrite the whole time because your presence implies support for something you cannot morally support at all?

Hint: when taking a multiple-choice test, answer b) is statistically most likely to be correct. 😉

(Yes, I know that homosexuality and gun ownership are not the same thing. Go with it for the moment.)
That was actually s pretty good explanation.
 
If a Catholic friend were to marry a Lutheran in a ceremony held at a civil wedding chapel, performed by a civil officiant, would you attend and show your love for the couple, or would you refuse the invitation because the “marriage” would be considered “invalid” under the laws of the Church?

Me, I would attend this unlicensed disparity of cult marriage before the civil authority. And I wouldn’t even give it a second thought. And if/when I finally tally up my sins to confess, this would not be one that would ever occur to me to confess. Publicly supporting my friends and loved ones is not a sin in my eyes. Maybe that is why I haven’t been to confession in so many decades! Maybe that is why I am lapsed!

Now, let’s move from the disparity of cult situation to the gay marriage situation.

The Church does not accept gay marriage. So this marriage that the OP is considering is not even one that my hypothetical friends could celebrate in the Church – unlike my Catholic and Lutheran friends, who could celebrate their marriage in Church, if they so desired and jumped through the Canonical hoops. But the gay couple is just as deserving of my support as the Catholic-Lutheran couple. And the gay couple needs me to stand beside them and be there for them far more than the Catholic-Lutheran couple does.

To me, the idea of gay sex is disgusting. But even more disgusting to me is the idea of abandoning my friends because the Church has withdrawn itself from them, not allowing them to celebrate their love for one another. Remember, it is the Church that has thrown them out, made them unwelcome to celebrate their marriage, and not the other way around.

So, my clear choice, one that I would not even have to think about, would be to support my friends. However, I am an unrepentant sinner. So I am not giving moral advice. I am making moral judgments, but based on humanity and not based on Church law. But for me, I would feel like a hypocrite to refuse to stand up for my friends.
 
If a Catholic friend were to marry a Lutheran in a ceremony held at a civil wedding chapel, performed by a civil officiant, would you attend and show your love for the couple, or would you refuse the invitation because the “marriage” would be considered “invalid” under the laws of the Church?

Me, I would attend this unlicensed disparity of cult marriage before the civil authority. And I wouldn’t even give it a second thought. And if/when I finally tally up my sins to confess, this would not be one that would ever occur to me to confess. Publicly supporting my friends and loved ones is not a sin in my eyes. Maybe that is why I haven’t been to confession in so many decades! Maybe that is why I am lapsed!

Now, let’s move from the disparity of cult situation to the gay marriage situation.

The Church does not accept gay marriage. So this marriage that the OP is considering is not even one that my hypothetical friends could celebrate in the Church – unlike my Catholic and Lutheran friends, who could celebrate their marriage in Church, if they so desired and jumped through the Canonical hoops. But the gay couple is just as deserving of my support as the Catholic-Lutheran couple. And the gay couple needs me to stand beside them and be there for them far more than the Catholic-Lutheran couple does.

To me, the idea of gay sex is disgusting. But even more disgusting to me is the idea of abandoning my friends because the Church has withdrawn itself from them, not allowing them to celebrate their love for one another. Remember, it is the Church that has thrown them out, made them unwelcome to celebrate their marriage, and not the other way around.

So, my clear choice, one that I would not even have to think about, would be to support my friends. However, I am an unrepentant sinner. So I am not giving moral advice. I am making moral judgments, but based on humanity and not based on Church law. But for me, I would feel like a hypocrite to refuse to stand up for my friends.
That’s some messed up logic. I can’t follow your reasoning.
 
Whoa…“better able?” I can’t speak for others but please don’t flatter me. You have been Baptized, you are a child of a King, you are strong and clothed with Christ, yes you are cut out for much and you are just as able as the rest of us for a great deal don’t kid yourself!
Well thanks for that Monicad. But I mean I’ve only been a Catholic for about 11 years. And 8 of those I was pretty much in freefall because of my addictions. So sometimes I get a bit shaky when I see myself on the outside of the ring of right opinion. I mean I figure I’d better step back and let someone else drive when that happens. I don’t want to be giving bad advice.
Not only that but let me be honest. It’s easy for me to type here on my keyboard of what the right thing to do is, but let me tell you I cried my eyes out more than once when my family or friends whispered behind my back or cut me down for standing up for my faith, it hurt. I am a human being, I want to be liked, I want to be part of the crowd, it hurts to stand up for your faith sometimes I won’t lie about that it’s not so easy but you already knew that.
Yeah. I know. Boy do I ever.
Jesus didn’t come to make peace, Jesus called us to a conversion of heart, to repent, to a conversion away from sins. Jesus was also honest and told us that following Him would be challenging and would bring difficulty and discord to our lives:
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"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34**
I respect your courage and strength. Maybe one day I’ll have that kind of steady stand in the face of a hard push-back. I don’t know. But thanks for trying to make me feel better.

Peace Monicad.

-Trident
 
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