San Francisco cathedral sprinkler aimed for safety, not homeless [CNA]

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Well, it rather suits the building. Many San Franciscans refer to the Catholic Cathedral as “The Maytag Building”, because the design is reminiscent of a washing machine agitator. So, it’s not surprising that it would also have water jets coming on intermittently.
Oops. I got that wrong. According to Wikipedia, it has been nicknamed, “Our Lady of Maytag”, due to the building’s resemblance to a washing machine agitator.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathedral_of_Saint_Mary_of_the_Assumption
 
I’m not saying that I approve of the policy, but I wonder how many of those who are getting all hot and bothered over this would let homeless people sleep, poop, and leave used needles in their doorways . . .
However, the Church is to be a hospital for sinners. I think we can take that literally too.
 
Just wondering if a hose and a broom may give one of those persons a job now that sprinklers will be removed…
It may.not be sth extraordinary , but it might be a little help.
 
The idea was not to remove those persons, but to encourage them to relocate to other areas of the Cathedral,*(not sure there’s much difference from the homeless person’s eyes) * which are protected and safer. The purpose was to make the Cathedral grounds as well as the homeless people who happen to be on those grounds safer. We are sorry that our intentions have been misunderstood and recognize that the method used was ill-conceived. It actually has had the opposite effect from what it was intended to do, and for this we are very sorry.
Read more: patheos.com/blogs/deaconsbench/2015/03/sf-cathedral-dousing-homeless-with-water-to-keep-them-from-sleeping-in-doorways/#ixzz3Uo4oo9ep

So, not a smear then.
 
It is a smear because of the timing, who’s behind it, the fact that none of the other systems in San frsncisco are being targeted, and in not giving the benefit of the doubt to a diocese that gives millions toward the poor and homeless and countless programs.

Should the spouts be removed…yes…should the archbishop be seen as someone who hates the poor and chases them off his cathedral with a garden hose…no, sadly that is what people are saying based on the biased reporting (smear campaign)

I’m sure with all the concern for the homeless that the cathedral grounds will be filled with volunteers to help them …holding my breath.
 
It is a smear because of the timing, who’s behind it, the fact that none of the other systems in San frsncisco are being targeted, and in not giving the benefit of the doubt to a diocese that gives millions toward the poor and homeless and countless programs.

Should the spouts be removed…yes…should the archbishop be seen as someone who hates the poor and chases them off his cathedral with a garden hose…no, sadly that is what people are saying based on the biased reporting (smear campaign)

I’m sure with all the concern for the homeless that the cathedral grounds will be filled with volunteers to help them …holding my breath.
Someone at the Archdiocese made a mistake. It made headlines. They are correcting it now. Life goes on. Not exactly an event of cosmic proportions.

Obviously, it would violate health and safety codes to automatically spray people with water at random intervals. Since this matter has come to the attention of SF City officials, let’s hope that they also shut down the other similar systems at other buildings which the article mentions.
 
So this story was on national tv (Good Morning America) this morning. Even though the Cathedral announced the timers will be shut off yesterday. And of course they didn’t report on the many properties that are still employing these sprinklers as deterrents now, and who have expressed no intention of changing them.

No one’s saying the sprinklers was the right way to handle the safety hazard problem, but I don’t think anyone thinks the timing and scope of this story coming out are a coincidence. You won’t see GMA reporting on that, though, and it is a much more compelling story.
 
I expect that Sam Singer has already got future public relations attacks lined up. The pressure will be kept up with a timeline for getting the archbishop to cave in to demands or to pressure the papal nuncio with the idea that he must go, and be replaced by a more “progressive” bishop. Sam works hard to earn his money.
 
Odd that the cathedral didn’t simply call the cops a few times to have the homeless people removed from the premises. It is illegal for them to be trespassing, correct?
When I was attending Holy Name Cathedral (Chicago) back in the 90’s, it wasn’t too uncommon for the police to be focusing on who was in the bathrooms, checking under each stall at times. There were some homeless found sleeping in the pews in the church itself, often without incident though.
 
There is no reason the Church can not hire a security guard to fix the problem. There are no drains for this water and it is not cleaning anything but becoming stagnant water. Plus California is in the middle of a severe prolonged drought. Nothing Christian about this act.
 
There is no reason the Church can not hire a security guard to fix the problem. There are no drains for this water and it is not cleaning anything but becoming stagnant water. Plus California is in the middle of a severe prolonged drought. Nothing Christian about this act.
Security guards aren’t paid to clean up feces, syringes, etc., which is the real security concern (not homeless people). The janitors have to deal with that. According to the janitors, the clean up was using even more water than this system (per Bishop Justice, in yesterday’s press conference). So hiring security guards to patrol these areas may not even solve the problem, either.

I imagine they will move to a combination of barricades and informational placards, with directions to the parts of the property where it is safe to sleep and contact info for resources for the homeless, etc.
 
It may very well relate to the Catholic Schools incident that has been getting national press. Perhaps because people are digging for anything to smear the church, perhaps because it caused generally upset people to be more aware or critical of the diocese, or maybe because it took an already present complaint and gave it room to grow into the public eye.

Honestly I don’t really see the reason as important because it put a halt to a stupid and dehumanizing practice. The parish can issue all the excuses it wants, but they aren’t adding up and I think most of us innately know that the system had some hardened hearts in it’s conception.

Washing away feces and needles? Seems like the system would only need to run once a morning for that. Not to mention someone would have noticed it wasn’t working due to a lack of drainage after 2 years.

Other buildings in the city practiced it? I expect and am glad that society holds the Church to a high standard than buildings like banks and other businesses. And if this because a catalyst to get other people to turn off or remove those systems then even better.

Warned them ahead of time? This pretty much leads into the idea of it being somehow morally different if an automated system was chasing people out rather than a priest with a garden hose.

At some point you just have to own up to it. It was dumb, if my parish did this I would be embarrassed. I’m glad they were called out on it, and I am glad they are stopping.
 
It may very well relate to the Catholic Schools incident that has been getting national press. Perhaps because people are digging for anything to smear the church, perhaps because it caused generally upset people to be more aware or critical of the diocese, or maybe because it took an already present complaint and gave it room to grow into the public eye.

Honestly I don’t really see the reason as important because it put a halt to a stupid and dehumanizing practice. The parish can issue all the excuses it wants, but they aren’t adding up and I think most of us innately know that the system had some hardened hearts in it’s conception.

Washing away feces and needles? Seems like the system would only need to run once a morning for that. Not to mention someone would have noticed it wasn’t working due to a lack of drainage after 2 years.

Other buildings in the city practiced it? I expect and am glad that society holds the Church to a high standard than buildings like banks and other businesses. And if this because a catalyst to get other people to turn off or remove those systems then even better.

Warned them ahead of time? This pretty much leads into the idea of it being somehow morally different if an automated system was chasing people out rather than a priest with a garden hose.

At some point you just have to own up to it. It was dumb, if my parish did this I would be embarrassed. I’m glad they were called out on it, and I am glad they are stopping.
It sounds like you’re mad that they are even explaining their side. :confused: They did own up to the fact that it was wrong. The reason they are explaining the mitigating details is because the entirety of the media, minus a few Catholic sources, are only reporting the negative aspects of the story and letting people assume the worst to fill in the gaps.

Bishop Justice even specifically said, in yesterday’s press conference, that none of these mitigating details made the practice right. But he and his staff can’t just let people think the worst, they have a right and a responsibility to explain how and why this all came to be.
 
I can not comprehend how the something like this was allowed to be used. Is California not in the middle of the worst drought ever? The media attention to the drought is tremendous. The Vatican is offering haircuts and shower to the homeless. Was the media attention to this pretty big too? Sounds to me like the leadership of the diocese was way out of touch with the world. Regardless of the timing of the story the diocese is not going to get sympathy from many, and they don’t deserve it.
 
The Church does many good things but as far as a smear campaign goes… Maybe the Church needs to look at some areas and choices they make to determine where the fuel for the fire comes from.
 
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