Sandals at Mass?

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maryjk said:
So he has ushers stand by the door and they kick people out. :eek:

So I wonder if he also give dispensation to those he kicks out???
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No, but he does mention it from the pulpit frequently and people do take note of these things and correct themselves accordingly.
 
superamazingman said:
Either lazyness or apathy. It’s just a fact. Almost anyone who is at church can take $10 and head to goodwill and buy themselves a decent pair of Mass shoes. I dress to the 9s during the winter every Sunday (hat, bowtie, sport jacket, dress shoes, belt, black socks, etc…) and it probably cost me less than $50 to get all of it. Around here, a decent button up shirt is usually $6.99 at goodwill, and a pair of pants are similar.

IN MOST CASES, if someone wants to dress up for Mass in America, they can make it happen. If they don’t, it’s their own fault. It’s all about priorities.

Like with voter id, they may have to go out of their way. They may have to [gasp] spend an hour or two getting it done. But it’s not that big of a deal to get one or two sets of dress clothes.
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My point is not everyone agrees with your standard as to what constitutes appropriate dress for Mass. I frequently wear jeans to Divine Liturgy, and it really has nothing to do with laziness or apathy. I have a lot of thougths, but laziness is not one of them, and neither is apathy.

I’m sure that you don’t approve of the way I dress for Divine Liturgy, and that’s OK. You’re certainly entitled to your opinion as to what is and is not appropriate dress for Church, as I’m entitled to mine. I don’t “dress up” because for me, it has nothing whatsoever to do with how I worship or whether I have reverence for God. So my question for you is how do you know whether the person who is dressed in a way you don’t find appropriate does so simply out of laziness or apathy, or because their idea of what is and is not appropriate for Church is different from your idea?
 
RyanBlack said:
My point is not everyone agrees with your standard as to what constitutes appropriate dress for Mass. I frequently wear jeans to Divine Liturgy, and it really has nothing to do with laziness or apathy. I have a lot of thougths, but laziness is not one of them, and neither is apathy.

I’m sure that you don’t approve of the way I dress for Divine Liturgy, and that’s OK. You’re certainly entitled to your opinion as to what is and is not appropriate dress for Church, as I’m entitled to mine. I don’t “dress up” because for me, it has nothing whatsoever to do with how I worship or whether I have reverence for God. So my question for you is how do you know whether the person who is dressed in a way you don’t find appropriate does so simply out of laziness or apathy, or because their idea of what is and is not appropriate for Church is different from your idea?
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I agree completely. It is hard to reasonably accuse somebody of laziness and apathy when he or she manages to get out of bed and into a pew every Sunday. It is simply reflective of a different value system, with which a person may legitimately disagree. That can be a conversation worth having, but it is ridiculous to accuse somebody of laziness or apathy in this situation.
 
RyanBlack said:
I frequently wear jeans to Divine Liturgy, and it really has nothing to do with laziness or apathy.
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Likely a few steps up from what our forefathers in the Carpathians were able to wear to church 😉
 
superamazingman said:
I dress to the 9s during the winter every Sunday (hat, bowtie, sport jacket, dress shoes, belt, black socks, etc…
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I like to see man look nice at Mass but I would think there is something kind of odd about a man who always wore a tie and jacket.

That’s why I think some things depend on local custom. Around here your attire would scream, “Rich banker!” rather than, “Nicely dressed.”
 
superamazingman said:
I dress to the 9s during the winter every Sunday (hat, bowtie, sport jacket, dress shoes, belt, black socks, etc…)

Like with voter id, they may have to go out of their way. .
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why only the winter? voter id ,what does that have to do with anything?
 
RyanBlack said:
My point is not everyone agrees with your standard as to what constitutes appropriate dress for Mass. I frequently wear jeans to Divine Liturgy, and it really has nothing to do with laziness or apathy. I have a lot of thougths, but laziness is not one of them, and neither is apathy.

I’m sure that you don’t approve of the way I dress for Divine Liturgy, and that’s OK. You’re certainly entitled to your opinion as to what is and is not appropriate dress for Church, as I’m entitled to mine. I don’t “dress up” because for me, it has nothing whatsoever to do with how I worship or whether I have reverence for God. So my question for you is how do you know whether the person who is dressed in a way you don’t find appropriate does so simply out of laziness or apathy, or because their idea of what is and is not appropriate for Church is different from your idea?
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I have to agree, I don’t “dress up” either and it has nothing to do with my reverence to God. For me, dressing up would be for or to impress other people. The way I dress, I blend in and that’s fine by me. That said, I can understand that others dress up as part of their reverence for God (they aren’t trying to impress other people, they want to show their devotion via physical appearance), and that’s perfectly fine too. Everyone is different and expresses their love for God and dedication to Him differently. As long as everyone is dressed modestly for local standards/custom, it shouldn’t matter what clothes people where any more than it matters what devotions we may choose, how we pray, or how we give back to the Church (donations, volunteering, etc).
 
I’m somehow reminded of the account of the poor widow:

[BIBLEDRB]Mark 12:41-44[/BIBLEDRB]

She gave all she had - to Christ, it mattered not what she wore.

I’m not suggesting a standard. I’ve sat next to homeless street dwellers in a few NYC churches for morning Mass, and they certainly could not be held to a dress code. I think we are obliged to come respectfully, eager to give thanks to God, first and foremost.
 
RyanBlack said:
My point is not everyone agrees with your standard as to what constitutes appropriate dress for Mass. I frequently wear jeans to Divine Liturgy, and it really has nothing to do with laziness or apathy. I have a lot of thougths, but laziness is not one of them, and neither is apathy.

I’m sure that you don’t approve of the way I dress for Divine Liturgy, and that’s OK. You’re certainly entitled to your opinion as to what is and is not appropriate dress for Church, as I’m entitled to mine. I don’t “dress up” because for me, it has nothing whatsoever to do with how I worship or whether I have reverence for God. So my question for you is how do you know whether the person who is dressed in a way you don’t find appropriate does so simply out of laziness or apathy, or because their idea of what is and is not appropriate for Church is different from your idea?
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When I was a Scoutmaster for our Church Boy Scout Troop, one of our youngsters became an Eagle Scout. It’s customary for all older Eagle Scouts from the troop to attend thee new Eagle’s court of honor. Among the young men attending was one who was obviously out of place dressed in jeans and leather, unshaven with long, uncombed hair. We all wondered why such a person would attend an event honoring this new Eagle Scout. We finally asked our new Eagle if he knew the raggedy young man and he replied “yes, he’s my brother and an undercover police officer”.
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Since that incident, I’ve not judged anyone by the clothes that they wear, rather then by what’s in their heart and that’s sometime harder to see.
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Like this young, unshaven man was there to honor his brother, we should be at Mass to honor Our Lord, not impress others. I’m sure his brother would have rather had him there in his “work” clothes then not being there at all.
 
april32010 said:
why only the winter? voter id ,what does that have to do with anything?
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Temperature. 🙂 I still dress up in the summer, but not as much, so I don’t get super sweaty.

Re: voter id: the pararalel is quite similar. One of the arguments against voter id is that not every single person has an ID. However, if you are going to go out and vote, you must also be able to get out and get an id! You may have to put a little effort in, but in almost every case, you should be able to get an ID. It’s your job to get it, not have it handed to you on a silver platter.
 
superamazingman said:
Temperature. 🙂 I still dress up in the summer, but not as much, so I don’t get super sweaty.

Re: voter id: the pararalel is quite similar. One of the arguments against voter id is that not every single person has an ID. However, if you are going to go out and vote, you must also be able to get out and get an id! You may have to put a little effort in, but in almost every case, you should be able to get an ID. It’s your job to get it, not have it handed to you on a silver platter.
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The two issues are only remotely comparable, due to the nature of the events you are comparing.
 
superamazingman said:
Either lazyness or apathy. It’s just a fact.
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I am absolutely not lazy or apathetic. I am an altar server, I’ve been an assistant catechist, I have lunch with priests regularly, and I am at my parish 4 out of 7 says in the week.
 
CarlosBarrera said:
I am absolutely not lazy or apathetic. I am an altar server, I’ve been an assistant catechist, I have lunch with priests regularly, and I am at my parish 4 out of 7 says in the week.
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Sandals? Lazy! Apathetic! Doesn’t matter what else you do, you are automatically lazy and/or apathetic. 🙂 😉
 
superamazingman said:
Ok, this argument is always brought up, but how many of the sandal wearers haven’t been to church in 20 years? Really, the amount of people who don’t dress up and haven’t been to church for a while compared to the lazy people who go every week but don’t bother to dress up is quite small.
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I wear sandals starting in the late spring until it gets cold. I’m not above wearing sandals with socks to prolong the season either. And I go to mass every single Sunday. There are lots of sandal wearers who do.
 
anp1215 said:
Sandals? Lazy! Apathetic! Doesn’t matter what else you do, you are automatically lazy and/or apathetic. 🙂 😉
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Franciscans, Carmelites and Dominicans are not lazy!! Yet, they all wear sandals to church.
 
I’m an usher at my Church and I see the same people a least once a week at Mass and I couldn’t tell you what kind of shoes they wear. I make sure that my dress shoes are shined and I know to wear my black New Balance walking shoes if the service will be a long one…as does our Priest. IMHO the only one who pays any attention to what shoes are worn to Mass is the person wearing them.

Carlos, they are very nice sandals and you should be proud wearing them to Mass…with or without sock, black or white. He is more interested in having you there, honoring Him then what you have on your feet. Anyone judging what shoes someone wears to Mass is attending for the wrong reason. The only feet that I’m sure of each Sunday are those of Jesus on the cross and they are bare. I’m going to go out on a limb and bet that, even though they are handsome, few will notice.
 
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