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jediliz
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If the universities raise tuition, wouldn’t taxes would have to be raised even more than what Bernie would want?
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Right. So the government says they will pay X amount. The schools then continue to raise rates until the students have to take just as much loan debt as they currently do only the schools are making a lot more money due to the drastic increase in federal spending. Nobody wins but the school’s administrators. This plan of Bernie’s will simply not work.
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Monkey1976
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Exactly. It’s basic economics - the more money is available, the higher prices will be. All Mr. Sanders’ proposal will do is further drive up the price of higher education.
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Theo520
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Why are we talking about public free college when we can’t even get k-12 right?
If kids had a decent k-12 education they’d be able to find jobs and be able to advance. Too much of junior college (what they want to make free) is about completing what was attempted in K-12.
If kids had a decent k-12 education they’d be able to find jobs and be able to advance. Too much of junior college (what they want to make free) is about completing what was attempted in K-12.
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PatrickSebast
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No…the publicly funded schools would be required to allow students to come free of charge in order to receive the money. I don’t understand why everyone in this thread is acting like there aren’t already programs in place across the world that have accomplished this exact thing and that US lawmakers couldn’t handle a basic budgetary enforcement protocol.
I’m not even calling it a good policy, I am just saying that the argument being used against it is incredibly naive and out of place.
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cheesypoptart
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Hm seems like I need to get my eyes checked because where I am from affluent urban California all the people voting for Sanders are in the 20s 30s and 40s! Never really seen many older people voting for this Man.
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cheesypoptart
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Ugh seems like we e-bumped into each other, but don’t worry I am not interested in being called an e-stalker. But I do wish to say that yes most young people are lazy. But then they got that bad example from their parents and so forth. Plus our parents and probably your generation has some fault in the way us young adults have turned out. And btw don’t all politicians get their way by promising things, the more out of the box the better.
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Little_Sheep
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Hey, that sounds like Trump in The Art of the Deal!
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Little_Sheep
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Heck no!!! I’m all about We the People!
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Little_Sheep
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All the Truth in one short post.
In every single election as soon as one side understands that their guy/gal is NOT going to be the chosen nominee, the loser’s supporters say “We will never ever vote for the other Dem/Repub in the general!”
And then that never ever happens because people are smarter than their most disappointing moments.
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cheesypoptart
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Yup I feel the same way!
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didymus
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We’ll never get rid of the Electoral College & I like the idea of the House & Senate meeting together to choose the President but that wouldn’t work because only one-third of the Senate is up for election in each cycle. Maybe the House plus two at-large electors from each State.
A little less radical, have the Electors meet in Washington to choose the president rather than in their state capitals.
Biggest thing to get rid of the circus – a national primary with instant runoff voting.
That only works if, like the places across the world you mention, if the federal government has control of the universities. With the proposal you have here, all a school has to do is realize they can take X amount from the government or X + Y from the student. If the schools would get more money by declining the government option and getting the same level of income and increases they are now, why would they change?
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PatrickSebast
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If a public option was offered many students would select that option and since there was obviously money to be made (and also money to be lost from the resultant decrease in student loan funding) some public schools would adopt the system. Heck some public schools already have a pretty heavy degree of influence from their state and wouldn’t be able to really say no.
If the federal government said 'We will supply $10k per semester per student (regionally adjusted) for tuition, room, and board - no additional required fees may be applied to students when accepting this funding" then there would definitely be schools willing to take that offer. It is certainly enough to run an institution and pay a staff on. If there are thousands of students in the market who can supply you with funding simply by attending then there is going to be a market for it. The government doesn’t have full control of the schools in most countries where higher ed is funded like this. Even in the US lots of government funded programs and institutions exist that aren’t really directly controlled by the government, they generally just follow a set of standards and are audited to them on a semi-routine basis.
This simply isn’t a real problem and I can’t understand why you insist on sticking to it.
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Lily_Bernans
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And I’m another Sanders supporter who will certainly vote for Hillary should she win the nomination, and it looks like she will.
Like Sy, I believe Bernie will come out in support of Hillary and urge his supporters to vote for her in the general.
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Sy_Noe
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Well I did try to keep that one brief.
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anon67074017
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Who are the Catholics here that support Bernie?
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7_Sorrows
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I support him in so far as he beats Hillary!
I will not be voting for him in the general however.
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anon67074017
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It is good that you won’t vote for him in the general election. I do not think it is right for a Catholic to support Sanders at all.
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7_Sorrows
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well he has run a good campaign. I don’t agree with his view for our country, but he has ran a pretty good campaign against Hillary. He has a pretty good following.
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