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Wow, look at the video at this link of Bernie Sanders supporters describing Hillary Clinton: twitter.com/foxandfriends/status/723108284765364224

There’s division in the Republican Party, but when Sanders supporters are describing Clinton like that, the Democrats have got their own problems potentially getting those people to vote for Clinton if she is the nominee.
 
estesbob said:
And what evils are supported by any of the Candidates are proportionate enough to allow a Catholic to vote for a candidate who supports unrestricted taxpayer funded abortion oo demand?
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It is not the evils supports by any pro-life candidates that provide the proportionate reasons. It is the reasonable expectation that electing those candidates will not produce any change in the areas you refer to as most important.

By the way, I am curious about your mention of “taxpayer funded”. It makes me wonder which is more important - that babies are aborted, or that your taxes get paid to the doctors who do it?
 
LeafByNiggle said:
It is not the evils supports by any pro-life candidates that provide the proportionate reasons. It is the reasonable expectation that electing those candidates will not produce any change in the areas you refer to as most important.

By the way, I am curious about your mention of “taxpayer funded”. It makes me wonder which is more important - that babies are aborted, or that your taxes get paid to the doctors who do it?
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Agree.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
It’s always about abortion and the perceived evils of the Democratic Party and how we can only vote for a pro-life candidate even if that candidate would destroy every living person in the US.

I don’t get email alerts any longer. I couldn’t stand to see them in my Inbox any more.
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How do you get rid of the email alerts? I would love to know.
 
tomarin said:
How do you get rid of the email alerts? I would love to know.
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They are annoying, aren’t they?

Go to your Profile. Click on that. Go to the Control Panel. On that, go to Edit Options. You’ll see a place where there is a pull-down menu and you can select “No email alerts.” Select that! 🙂

That will stop new ones. To stop them all, you have to Unsubscribe from the threads you are already subscribed to.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
It is not the evils supports by any pro-life candidates that provide the proportionate reasons. It is the reasonable expectation that electing those candidates will not produce any change in the areas you refer to as most important.

By the way, I am curious about your mention of “taxpayer funded”. It makes me wonder which is more important - that babies are aborted, or that your taxes get paid to the doctors who do it?
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So you cant tell us what these proportionate issues are?

So you think the Church, which vehemently opposes taxpayer funded abortions, is more concerned about the taxes than they are the child? There is an easy solution to all this-you follow the teachings of the Church.
 
estesbob said:
So you cant tell us what these proportionate issues are?
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They are different for different people.
So you think the Church, which vehemently opposes taxpayer funded abortions, is more concerned about the taxes than they are the child?
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I don’t think the Church makes a point out of emphasizing the fact that abortions are taxpayer funded. If abortions were done pro-bono by doctors without using any taxpayer funds, the Church would be just as opposed. In any case, it was just a by-the-way observation. Did you feel your point would not have enough weight without including “taxpayer funded”?
 
mary_bobo said:
He is promising free stuff. Young voters live in an idealistic world and think what Bernie is promising is attainable. When they get out from under academic persuasion, and have to earn their own way, many of them will change their minds.
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My country has single - payer healthcare and government funded university education at undergraduate level (tuition fees are paid for).

So how can one say that this is “not” attainable?

Single - payer is very much attainable, the only barrier is the vast opposition to it in the States. The latter might be more tricky and perhaps unlikely for such a huge country as the US, granted - but to claim impossibility is missing the mark IMHO.
 
Vouthon said:
My country has single - payer healthcare and government funded university education at undergraduate level (tuition fees are paid for).

So how can one say that this is “not” attainable?

Single - payer is very much attainable, the only barrier is the vast opposition to it in the States. The latter might be more tricky and perhaps unlikely for such a huge country as the US, granted - but to claim impossibility is missing the mark IMHO.
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how many people are placed on waiting lists in your country?

How are the tuition fees paid for?

If you have single payer health care why do you still have ABORTION? Wouldn’t pregnancy be covered?

Sorry, but in the USA, people against abortion would probably have to pay for abortions, sterilizations, sex changes, all things they don’t WANT to pay for that are not necessary. Oh and add in euthanasia to that list…

I don’t want single payer health care because of the immoral behaviors that would be paid for by MY taxes.
 
estesbob said:
So you cant tell us what these proportionate issues are?

So you think the Church, which vehemently opposes taxpayer funded abortions, is more concerned about the taxes than they are the child? There is an easy solution to all this-you follow the teachings of the Church.
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Yup we should all just settle for Trump because abortion.

You go right ahead and elect trump, when his 4 years come up and abortion still exists, won’t you be glad you voted for a guy that did nothing.👍
 
jtauke said:
Yup we should all just settle for Trump because abortion.

You go right ahead and elect trump, when his 4 years come up and abortion still exists, won’t you be glad you voted for a guy that did nothing.👍
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Are the people who voted for Obama glad they voted for a guy that did nothing?
 
jtauke said:
Yup we should all just settle for Trump because abortion.

You go right ahead and elect trump, when his 4 years come up and abortion still exists, won’t you be glad you voted for a guy that did nothing.👍
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Interesting point. Bishop Kicanas says that voters should take into account not just the position of the candidate, but their ability to address an issue.

“It’s one thing to hold positions, it’s another thing to be able to get results” - Bishop Kicanas
 
stinkcat_14 said:
Are the people who voted for Obama glad they voted for a guy that did nothing?
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I don’t think you can say he did “nothing”.

He turned Iraq over to ISIS and Iran.
he turned Libya over to various terrorist groups, including ISIS affiliates.
He has the U.S. backing competing sides in Syria.
He helped the Muslim Brotherhood take over Egypt.
He forced religious organizations to fund contraceptives and abortifacients.
He sent Peabody Coal into bankruptcy, and lots of coal miners to the unemployment lines.
He has blocked the oil pipeline from Canada.
He has put the army in charge of every river, creek, spring, dry wash and farm pond in America.
He loaned Petrobras of Brazil millions of dollars to develop offshore oil deposits right after Soros invested heavily in Petrobras.
His regulators imposed TRID, which makes it unbelievably difficult for people to get home loans.
He increased the Medicaid rolls by 17 million people.
He increased health insurance premiums by huge percentages.
he increased taxes.

I wouldn’t say that’s “nothing”. It’s all bad, but it’s not “nothing”.🙂
 
Hey, Sanders people – Does Bernie still have a shot to lock up the nomination? If no, then why is he still running?
 
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