SanFrancisco bishop Thinks Gay Propaganda Film Brokeback Mountain is "Very Powerful"

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Well, I don’t agree with the Archbishop, I just don’t know why we Catholics have to go out of our way all the time to continually pick out every little statement of our hierarchs. We live in such an anti-insitutional culture that we take it upon ourselves the “right” to question every statement, every belief of these men. They aren’t infallible, but they are Successors to the Apostles and deserve our respect.

Plus, it seems like we sit in ivory towers. Would any of you change positions with this man?
 
Only the pope is infallible when speaks on faith and moral issues.
 
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BillyT92679:
Well, I don’t agree with the Archbishop, I just don’t know why we Catholics have to go out of our way all the time to continually pick out every little statement of our hierarchs. We live in such an anti-insitutional culture that we take it upon ourselves the “right” to question every statement, every belief of these men. They aren’t infallible, but they are Successors to the Apostles and deserve our respect.

Plus, it seems like we sit in ivory towers. Would any of you change positions with this man?
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I did not take this as the OP picking on a bishop. All that the OP offered was to post the headline and the link to the article that Life Site found newsworthy.
 
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bones_IV:
Only the pope is infallible when speaks on faith and moral issues.
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Yeah, I am well aware of that. I said I did not agree with the archbishop on this.

Still, it seems like in an effort to insure orthodoxy, we faithful sometimes tread dangerously close to vigilantism.
 
The movie was not made to be propaganda, The way it is being used might be. Because a movies subject matter is offensive to Catholics does not make the movie a bad movie artisticly .
 
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BillyT92679:
Yeah, I am well aware of that. I said I did not agree with the archbishop on this.

Still, it seems like in an effort to insure orthodoxy, we faithful sometimes tread dangerously close to vigilantism.
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Agreed.
 
he’ll fit in well in san fran. it’s too bad for the catholics in his diocese who might be confused by his remarks. it almost sounds like he is equating homosexual acts with heterosexual ones. the only difference is the fact that one finds its fullest meaning in marriage while the other is wrong in as much as sex between a man and women outside of marriage is wrong.

i think the vatican should clear this issue that you can’t equate fornication with homo-acts; one is clearly more unnatural then the other.
 
oat soda:
he’ll fit in well in san fran. it’s too bad for the catholics in his diocese who might be confused by his remarks. it almost sounds like he is equating homosexual acts with heterosexual ones. the only difference is the fact that one finds its fullest meaning in marriage while the other is wrong in as much as sex between a man and women outside of marriage is wrong.

i think the vatican should clear this issue that you can’t equate fornication with homo-acts; one is clearly more unnatural then the other.
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I always equate mortal sin with mortal sin.😃
 
I always equate mortal sin with mortal sin
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not all sins are the same. while missing mass on sunday might be a grave sin, it is not the same degree of sin as intentionally killing an innocent person.
1867 The catechetical tradition also recalls that there are “sins that cry to heaven”: the blood of Abel,139 the sin of the Sodomites,140 the cry of the people oppressed in Egypt,141 the cry of the foreigner, the widow, and the orphan,142 injustice to the wage earner.143
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so, the sin of the sodomite -homosexuality- clearly offends God more then fornication between an man and a women. bishop niederauer seems to ignore this distinction that the sin of sodomy cries to heaven.
**1858 **Grave matter is specified by the Ten Commandments, corresponding to the answer of Jesus to the rich young man: "Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and your mother."132 The gravity of sins is more or less great: murder is graver than theft. One must also take into account who is wronged: violence against parents is in itself graver than violence against a stranger
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so you can see that though two sins may be mortal, one is greater then the other.
 
I trust that this isn’t a surprise to Pope Benedict. It shouldn’t surprise anyone.
 
oat soda:
not all sins are the same. while missing mass on sunday might be a grave sin, it is not the same degree of sin as intentionally killing an innocent person. so, the sin of the sodomite -homosexuality- clearly offends God more then fornication between an man and a women. bishop niederauer seems to ignore this distinction that the sin of sodomy cries to heaven. so you can see that though two sins may be mortal, one is greater then the other.
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So if one commits a homosexual act and dies right after he has more of a chance of going to hell than the one who commits fornication and also dies right after?:confused:
 
So if one commits a homosexual act and dies right after he has more of a chance of going to hell than the one who commits fornication and also dies right after?:confused:
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i never said that. but they objectively would spend a longer time in purgatory and because of the gravity of the sin, may have a more difficult time in recognizing thier sin, or they may be more likely to fall into despair.
 
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JOHNYJ:
The movie was not made to be propaganda, The way it is being used might be. Because a movies subject matter is offensive to Catholics does not make the movie a bad movie artisticly .
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salute
 
Oh for the love of…

He didn’t say it was a good movie. He didn’t suggest that people go see the movie. He certainly didn’t suggest that people go sodomize each other. All he said was that it was a powerful movie.

Everytime I read something from LifeSite, I want to vomit. The sad thing is that some people think that what they do over there at LifeSite is journalism. Those hacks at LifeSite are worse than most people in the mainstream media.
 
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Benedictus:
Oh for the love of…

He didn’t say it was a good movie. He didn’t suggest that people go see the movie. He certainly didn’t suggest that people go sodomize each other. All he said was that it was a powerful movie.

Everytime I read something from LifeSite, I want to vomit. The sad thing is that some people think that what they do over there at LifeSite is journalism. Those hacks at LifeSite are worse than most people in the mainstream media.
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Life Site quoted the bishops words. “Very powerful” movie carries with it endorsement of the movie, worthwhile viewing, while he neglected and failed his responsibility as shepherd of the flock to offer a prudent decipher and caution of the intended social engineering message, which is undeniable – “the gay cowboy movie” is the word on the streets; the network shows interviewing “gay cowboy” couples who now feel that this movie has given them the recognition, validation and freedom to “come out of the closet” after years of living a covert and “suppressed” lifestyle; Hollywood award nominations, …
 
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BillyT92679:
Well, I don’t agree with the Archbishop, I just don’t know why we Catholics have to go out of our way all the time to continually pick out every little statement of our hierarchs. We live in such an anti-insitutional culture that we take it upon ourselves the “right” to question every statement, every belief of these men. They aren’t infallible, but they are Successors to the Apostles and deserve our respect.

Plus, it seems like we sit in ivory towers. Would any of you change positions with this man?
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Well, I don’t want to change positions with this bishop. Having said that, he does have the DUTY to speak up for moral issues because of who he is. I believe the laity also has this duty (Can you say, Right to Life Movement?). My question: Why couldn’t he had said, “This movie is very powerful. I would caution the public, especially the Catholic public, about watching this movie since it brings up serious moral issues that fly in the face of Church teaching.” See, isn’t that better?
 
I believe it is SCANDALOUS that any priest especially a bishop would see this movie. Many of our priests have been telling us to stay away from this movie, don’t pay the money to support homosexual behaviour. How many Catholics in San Francisco will now say “well our bishop saw the movie, it can’t be all that bad, I think I’ll go check it out too”.

I hope there is more to this story. Maybe he did comment on the movie negatively, after he made the “very powerful” statement but still I do not believe he should have even seen the movie if in fact he did see it. There I’ve said it.
 
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