Santa Claus is blasphemous

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I don’t even have to go into the fact that most of the imagery surrounding Santa Claus is Pagan in origin. That’s nothing but a cheap shot. There’s so many other reasons to hate Santa. Also, I am in no way against the blessed Saint Nicholas, he was a good guy. I’m not talking about an olden day saint who gave toys to poor children who had nothing, I’m talking about the guy in a red suit with elves and magical reindeer.

First off, it’s nothing but a blatant lie. I don’t care how much people try to butter it up by calling it childhood innocence. What is that supposed to mean anyway? It is nothing more than a lie, pure and simple. You’re telling them something that you know good and well is not true, sounds like a lie. Just to go into the further illogical-ness of it, many parents are upset when the truth is exposed. Many tiptoe around the subject when kids are around, like it’s something sacred. It’s nothing but a lie people! Parents shouldn’t be mad somebody told their kid the truth. Oh, and just like real lies, it requires more and more lies to keep it going. Best example: Telling kids that mall Santas are Santa’s helpers when kids get smart enough to realize Santa can’t be at every mall every Christmas.

Second, Santa takes away the main focus of the holiday, which is Jesus. Christmas has become a secular holiday, for the most part. And no, calling them “Christmas Trees” instead of “Holiday Trees” doesn’t help. That whole “Merry Christmas vs. Happy Holidays” is trivial and stupid, they’re nothing but words. Christmas has become secular all on its own, as it has essentially become national gift giving day, with almost no religious conotations to it at all. Santa has almost completely replaced Jesus.

And many conservatives try to blame liberals/atheists on the seculariation of Christmas. Nope, you guys did that all on your own. Let’s see, you took your religious holiday, purposefully removed all the religious symbolism, and replaced it with Santa, deer, elves, etc. You then essentially demanded the holiday take center stage in American culture, knowing full well that not all of America was Christian. And now they’re mad because they’ve essentially lost their holiday. No, you didn’t lose it, you gave it away and have only yourselves to blame.

Third, it’s stupid. OK, not a sin, but a valid point still. Go through the trouble of getting your child a Christmas present, and then giving credit to a guy who doesn’t even exist for no apparent reason. What a bizarre custom.

Fourth, it sends kids a horrible message. I saved the worst for last, as there are two bad messages Santa sends children. The first being that it’s OK to lie to people. I’ve already explained how Santa is a lie with my first point. The second message is its ties to religion. Let’s see, let’s convince our children that there’s an old guy with a beard. Even though you’ve never seen him or met him, he will reward you if you’re good. Hmm, sound famliar? There’s a reason atheists call God “Santa for adults”. Also, kids usually learn about God and Santa from the same source (their parents), so when one is found to be false, why should they believe anything their parents say about God? The fact that this blatant lie is also centered around one of the biggest Christian holidays doesn’t help matters either.

I’m not trying to say God is as fake as Santa. What I’m saying is that teaching your kids about Santa makes them more likely to doubt God.
I agree with all that you said.

I think the majority of parents “play the game” so they and their child don’t get labeled as Claus Nazis.

There’s a great website on the actual St. Nicholas should you decide to raise your child with the truth:

stnicholascenter.org/pages/home/

Mass in May for St. Nicholas

stnicholascenter.org/pages/bari-festival/

I was in Bari Italy (where St. Nicholas’ bones reside). On this website they had the bones facially reconstructed.

stnicholascenter.org/pages/real-face/
 
Sigh. Sorry. There’s been so much ridiculous back-and-forth, I missed the name at the top. Cuz I was thinking–I have two gardens and a birdfeeder–is that like Satan worship? 😉
No problem my friend! I have a nice birdfeeder too!
 
Aren’t you the guy who was trying to say this wasn’t a lie a few posts ago?

I just cannot fathom the elaborate lengths some people go to in order to perpetuate a silly lie.
Gee, somebody is awfully quick to throw out the ‘lie’ card. And ‘silly’ too.

I wonder why a person would think that calling people ‘liars’ and ‘silly’ based on his personal opinion of a topic would be the way to get people to see his point of view. . .
 
Gee, somebody is awfully quick to throw out the ‘lie’ card. And ‘silly’ too.

I wonder why a person would think that calling people ‘liars’ and ‘silly’ based on his personal opinion of a topic would be the way to get people to see his point of view. . .
It’s hopeless. I don’t think the poster in question is open to debate/discussion whatever. They just tell people to “calm down”. Ever heard that those charecter traits we hate in others are the ones we have?
 
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Really well said, and I am glad somebody said it. I agree with almost the entirety of the OP, but the above snipped portion is particularly apt.

To everybody getting upset at the original poster and saying they must be angry, I urge you to truly read the post. Nothing angry about it, except maybe some fully justified indignation at the Santa Claus tradition. Though I think calling Santa Claus “blasphemous” is a bit strong, it is a provocative title for an important issue. I think it’s probably more correct to call Santa Claus “dangerous” or even “idolatrous,” so really “blasphemous” isn’t even that much of a stretch.

The Santa Claus tradition is absurd. Why lie to kids? Why get that lie all mixed up with the birth of Christ and run the risk of getting the lie of Santa Claus all mixed up with the Divine Truth of Christ’s nativity?

As a Catholic who has struggled with doubt since an early age, I agree wholeheartedly with OP’s astute observation that parents fostering the Santa Claus lie in their children can ultimately shake the foundation of a child’s faith. Similar things can be said about the equally absurd traditions of the tooth fairy and the Easter bunny. What is a child supposed to think when they reach the age of awareness and their parents tell them, “Remember all those miraculous things we’ve been telling you about all this time, like flying reindeer and bunnies that hide eggs? They were all lies. But that whole part about Jesus being resurrected from the dead, that was totally true, we swear.”

It’s kind of a horrible thing to do to a kid when you think about it. And yes, I must also agree with OP that it wasn’t non-Christians who took the Christ out of Christmas, but Christians themselves who did so. The holiday is now about presents, and that bit about the birth of our Lord is just an afterthought.

So count me in the column of Catholics who oppose all the nonsense attached to Christmas. It’s the second most important holiday of the year, and should be about Christ, not magical elves. That’s a no brainer!
Given that I am only 12 or 13 pages in and it appears there is a never ending stream of pages I’ll go ahead and risk a comment. 1st–If you look around these forums you’ll see some here level the myth charge against Christ. Just saying you’ll find those who think we are just a deluded as any kid who believes in santa and that it is absurd and horrible to teach anyone such nonsense. 2nd–as for all the damage and trama supposedly done to children by the perpetuation of this myth–all I can say is: really? I would guess that there are probably deeper family issues. I have never personally met anyone claiming their trust issues and lack of faith stem from learning Santa, as presented to them, was a myth. There is usually more to the story. 3rd–if we are truly living our faith and daily professing it and living as if we truly believe Christ rose from the dead–etc. why would our children question that? It’s would be obvious that we think it’s true. This same thing cannot be said for santa, the tooth fairy, the easter bunny etc. We don’'t do things everyday all year that indicate we think these things are true–we pull junk out of the attic once a year. There is really quite a difference.-- is there not? If you walk into my house at any time of the year it would be obvious that we are Christian. Unless you entered it during the Christmas holiday–and spied a stocking hanging by the fireplace you would have no idea that santa visits our house.

It seems as Christians we should be celebrating advent. One way we have tried to do this is by using a Jesse tree and each day reading a scripture from the Bible pointing to Christs birth. We try to listen to advent music as opposed to Christmas music during this time and we try celebrate Christmas during the octave rather than packing things up and putting them away directly after Christmas. One year when we were snowed in and staying at home for Christmas–we actually did not decorate the tree until Christmas eve. I don’t think think Santa coming is that big of a distraction–my kids enjoy and have enjoyed Santa but in reality–they don’t care who the presents comes from. If I was going to do anything differently–it would be on the present front–as I think that is where the true distraction is and what has truly gotten out of hand–not the fact that santa comes. I should have limited the gifts when the kids were smaller and only let them keep certain gifts they recieved having them take the rest to those in need. Anyway I am not sure it is santa perse that is the problem. My gut tell me it is us and the way we live our lives.

I hope you are all having a blessed Christmas and are now celebrating Christs birth through the Christmas octave. Now it the time for celebration and Christmas music. Don’t let those New Years celebrations distract you–after all it is now truly the Christmas season.

Peace,
Mark
 
Well, that’s the problem. A lot of people seem to be willing to rationalize lying because of the warm emotions evoked by the Santa Claus deception.

But as the Church makes so clear in the Catechism, the conscience must be formed through reason. Emotion does not dictate right and wrong. A lie that creates joy is still a lie.
WHY do you keep saying that people are trying to ‘rationalize lying’?

First, the whole Santa Claus story is based on truth–a real saint and his real life.

Then certain stories were told (again, based on the truth) and then stories spun off from that, etc.

But to go around and accuse every person who doesn’t call “Santa Claus” a LIE of being ‘liars’, ‘silly’, ‘rationalizing lying’, etc. is an incredible and illogical leap.

You’re acting as if every person who doesn’t call Santa Claus a ‘lie’ is somehow perpetuating NOTHING BUT FALSEHOOD.

And that is not true. There are plenty of truthful teachings about St. Nicholas and plenty of interesting cultural ‘stories’ that relate to CHRISTIAN teachings. It isn’t ALL 'materialism and craziness. . .and that’s where you’re going off the rails by insisting on lumping all things related to St. Nicholas into the great ‘lying conspiracy’ camp.

I’m not rationalizing based on emotion. My children are grown and my grandchildren are too young for Santa. I don’t have a vested interest in ‘proving’ what I personally believe. . .

I’m arguing for rationality, and it is IRRATIONAL to lump everything about Santa Claus/St. Nicholas and claim it’s all lies.
 
It’s hopeless. I don’t think the poster in question is open to debate/discussion whatever. They just tell people to “calm down”. Ever heard that those charecter traits we hate in others are the ones we have?
Or the ones we’re trying to pretend we don’t have, LOL.
 
WHY do you keep saying that people are trying to ‘rationalize lying’?

First, the whole Santa Claus story is based on truth–a real saint and his real life.

Then certain stories were told (again, based on the truth) and then stories spun off from that, etc.

But to go around and accuse every person who doesn’t call “Santa Claus” a LIE of being ‘liars’, ‘silly’, ‘rationalizing lying’, etc. is an incredible and illogical leap.

You’re acting as if every person who doesn’t call Santa Claus a ‘lie’ is somehow perpetuating NOTHING BUT FALSEHOOD.

And that is not true. There are plenty of truthful teachings about St. Nicholas and plenty of interesting cultural ‘stories’ that relate to CHRISTIAN teachings. It isn’t ALL 'materialism and craziness. . .and that’s where you’re going off the rails by insisting on lumping all things related to St. Nicholas into the great ‘lying conspiracy’ camp.

I’m not rationalizing based on emotion. My children are grown and my grandchildren are too young for Santa. I don’t have a vested interest in ‘proving’ what I personally believe. . .

I’m arguing for rationality, and it is IRRATIONAL to lump everything about Santa Claus/St. Nicholas and claim it’s all lies.
I know this post wasn’t directed at me but I think the person who continually speaks of lies is speaking only towards people who teach their children that Santa will bring them gifts and that Santa lives in the North Pole and knows EVERYTHING they do, good or bad. That part of the story is a lie. That much is truth.
 
Nice post. 😃

I love the idea - it’s so much cheaper, and it’s so much more worshipful!

But I mightn’t dropping Santa like a rock confuse your kids? Especially when everyone else seems absolutely fixated on him, and the myth that he gives good girls and boys their hearts’ desires? (Yes, I hate commercial America, too. ;)) Especially considering he does have a real basis.

You can drop Santa if you like. That’s probably a better idea than any I could come up with.

But he is based on a real, charitable guy. Saint Nicholas. His feast day is the 6th of December, right around the corner from Christmas. Incorporating Saint Nicholas rather than the big, fat guy into your Advent worship practises could make “Santa” more useful for celebrating Christ’s coming, when your children see even one of the most generous men in the world (even though he was not the richest) got his idea from the Child Jesus.
We do St.Nicholas on the 6th of December and they do know the St. Nicholas story. He has a day and feast to himself in the calendar, no need to overlap him with Jesus 🙂

Also, our kids know about Santa and they know every other kid believes their presents are from Santa- my 4.5 yr old has a hard time understanding why anyone would rather get gifts from Santa than from Jesus but anyhow :)… and every time an adult asks them what Santa brought, which is the number 1 question for weeks following Christmas, they tell them : our gifts are from Jesus …when it’s younger kids, we tell them to just go along with the Santa story. Otherwise, yes, it’s hard to keep Santa out: Christmas cards, lights, decorations, napkins, gift bags, everything is centered around this character but we go out of our way to get angels, stars, bells and anything even remotely religious. It’s do-able
 
WHY do you keep saying that people are trying to ‘rationalize lying’?

First, the whole Santa Claus story is based on truth–a real saint and his real life.

Then certain stories were told (again, based on the truth) and then stories spun off from that, etc.

But to go around and accuse every person who doesn’t call “Santa Claus” a LIE of being ‘liars’, ‘silly’, ‘rationalizing lying’, etc. is an incredible and illogical leap.

You’re acting as if every person who doesn’t call Santa Claus a ‘lie’ is somehow perpetuating NOTHING BUT FALSEHOOD.

And that is not true. There are plenty of truthful teachings about St. Nicholas and plenty of interesting cultural ‘stories’ that relate to CHRISTIAN teachings. It isn’t ALL 'materialism and craziness. . .and that’s where you’re going off the rails by insisting on lumping all things related to St. Nicholas into the great ‘lying conspiracy’ camp.

I’m not rationalizing based on emotion. My children are grown and my grandchildren are too young for Santa. I don’t have a vested interest in ‘proving’ what I personally believe. . .

I’m arguing for rationality, and it is IRRATIONAL to lump everything about Santa Claus/St. Nicholas and claim it’s all lies.
St. Nicholas = December 6th. Don’t confuse the kids.

In Eastern European countries St.nNick’s is huge and all the kids get gifts on the 6th, but for that matter, they still do Santa on the 25th, specifically because they are two DIFFERENT things.
 
I agree with most of this.
Here’s what I posted in a similar topic.

Re: Santa Claus
I think lots of Catholics kid themselves into thinking that you can have Santa and keep the holiday Christ-centered but the truth is, that is NOT possible.
I totally disagree. I think a lot depends on how we prepare and celebrate. Do we truly celebrate advent preparing for Christ? Do we celebrate the whole Christmas octave? Presents on Christmas day are one small piece of the holiday–if you want to call it that. And I think it depends on what santa does at ones house. Just how many presents does he bring? Is that santas fault or our fault? Today at our house Santa brings one present and the stocking. My kids get more presents from relatives. The problem is not santa but our over indulgent gift giving to each other–rather than to those in need. And is Christmas over on Dec 25 or is it just starting? Simlpy purging santa from Christmas does not make it Christ centered–it’s more complex than that.
Children will be 100000x more excited about the jolly man who eats cookies and brings them gifts than about Jesus, being born, which is not palpable in any way. I would posit that without the gift giving Christmas would probably be like other Christian celebrations–pentacost, the assention, the annuciation, etc. It is the emphasis on getting gifts and not on the act of giving that is sad. This massive celebration gives us the opportunity to 1. prepare for his coming throughout Advent and 2 to tell the story of his birth and to celebrate it. It really depends on us what our children are excited about.
The same families who claim that Christmas is “all about Jesus” even though they have Santa, gasp and say :" what, you guys don’t have Santa, then what do you do!?"
I have yet to actually meet one of these people who gasps at the thought.
We give Baby Jesus presents, we RECEIVE presents ( always something very small, that they would receive on a regular trip to the mall so that it doesn’t end up captivating all their attention) from Baby Jesus, we sing happy birthday and have the biggest Birthday Party of the Year with the statue of Baby Jeus in the manger right at the centre. Our kids love it and Jesus gets 0 competition! Sounds fine. What do you give baby Jesus and what happens to those gifts? (this is a serious question asked out of a sincere desire to know and learn from your tradition). I would ask are your kids truly celebrating Jesus birth–or are they looking forward to the small present and the birthday party? I know my kids look forward to the smallest of gifts–It doesn’t matter what it is the anticipation…gets them and takes their focus. I have questions about substituting presents from Santa with presents from Jesus–I am truly currious about this but have questions and concerns with turning Jesus into a divine gift giver–in this manner–realizing that Jesus gives us everything. I am concerned that this might trivialize the nature of the gifts we receive from God. I see potential for abuse here (we as people are good at taking something good and ruining it.)

As far as we’re oncerned, if Santa “died”, this world would be a better place I don’t think this would help make the world a better place. People actually living like Christians would make the world a better place–even if santa were still alive.

Another element that influenced our decision was that both DH and I hated, as children, discovering that our parents abused our trust and conspired and lied in order to perpetuate this myth for the first years of our lives. I was truly devastated and angry to replay every Christmas in my head and all those Santa stories and realize it was a collection of grown-up deceptions. It is a lie and a very UNNECESSARY one at that. Christmas brings more joy than any other time of the year without the friggin fat, red guy. And I apologize that I simply cannot for the life of me understand this “abuse of trust” thing and being “truly devastated”. I guess for the vast majority of us this just seems such an unreasonable response to this discovery. Most people I know can’t even remember a specific moment when they actually realized this and none of them felt betrayed by their parents. The response doesn’t seem proportionate and it seems sad. For me those Christmas replays were and are of a time of family gatherings and of the whole family going to midnight mass and of exchanging small gifts–but mainly it is of happy times with family and friends and the beauty of midnight mass. I guess it is the venom that is spewed when you say things like “friggin fat, red guy” that makes me gasp and not the fact that you choose to celebrate Christmas without santa–which is a choice that sounds fine to me.​

I bet you our children would hate people coming to their birthday party looking for Santa and singing " Santa is coming to town" - but poor Jesus, doesn’t complain Jesus takes worse abuse than this everyday. Everyday many people reject him and turn their back on him choosing to engage in various sins rather than following him Everyday many deny and reject his very existence. Everyday many profess to believe in him and then live their lives as if he doesn’t exist. Everyday people are searching for Jesus but don’t realize it and they come looking in all the wrong places and in the wrong people–they show up singing the wrong song. Jesus still calls and welcomes them…
Peace,
Mark
 
I think lots of Catholics kid themselves into thinking that you can have Santa and keep the holiday Christ-centered but the truth is, that is NOT possible
It is totally doable, and easy. We do it every year. Not possible? Pish-posh. For you maybe, but I have not issue with it.
 
Despite all the anger on the part of people who see nothing wrong with Santa Claus, I still haven’t seen a rational explanation for it.

Why is it acceptable to lie to children to get them to believe in certain kinds of magic, like elves and flying reindeer? What’s the difference between flying reindeer and, say, a flying broomstick?

This is just a socially acceptable form of lying to deceive children into believing in magic, all the while running the risk of overshadowing Christ.

So we have lying, magic, and materialism all rolled into one. Why defend this absurd tradition?
Santa Claus is real. Why, when there are genuine, deadly battles to be joined, defend a non-war against a saint and some children’s fairy tales? Because fighting the real battles is hard, and Santa is easy pickin’s?
 
Santa Claus is real. Why, when there are genuine, deadly battles to be joined, defend a non-war against a saint and some children’s fairy tales? Because fighting the real battles is hard, and Santa is easy pickin’s?
GREAT points.
 
Ultimately, we all have our opinions. As I’ve said, I have never personally met anyone who told me their faith in God was shattered when the truth of Santa came out. All of my Catholic friends have Santa visit their homes. They were raised this way, and are very devout Catholics. I would consider myself a devout Catholic. The Santa that visited me taught about Christ’s love for us. I think that Santa was used as a wonderful learning tool for my siblings and I. Also, I don’t see that we, as parents, are intending to decieve our children. I see it more as letting them believe what they want. After all, they are children. When my asks me if Santa is real, I reply with ‘Do you think he is?’ He told me yes and I replied that that was good enough for me. He has asked if I have ever seen Santa. Well, no, I haven’t. But someone leaves those presents under the tree. One day, he’ll understand that it’s me. And he’ll understand that I am Santa- I use the name Santa as an alias. But Santa is still real…he’s me.
I don’t know- children believe lots of things are real. I used the example of Peter Pan in an earlier post. My 2 year old believes Mickey Mouse is real. I don’t dissuade him- he’s 2. Yet my 4 year old knows Mickey isn’t real. Why? He figured it out on his own. Just like he’ll figure out Santa isn’t real on his own.
But you know- my 2 year old can recite the Hail Mary. How cool is that? 2 years old- and he can recite the Hail Mary and part of the Our Father. I think that my kids have their priorities straight- Santa or no Santa. All day on Christmas, they asked questions about the particulars of Jesus’ birth. Oddly, they didn’t ask about how long of a nap Santa might be taking. I think that it boils down to us as parents. If we do our jobs right, Santa can come every December 24 and it will be just fine.
On the other hand, if someone doesn’t want to do the Santa thing- that’s fine too. To each his own. Just don’t ruin it for my kids… 🙂
God Bless you all!!
 
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Ultimately, we all have our opinions. As I’ve said, I have never personally met anyone who told me their faith in God was shattered when the truth of Santa came out. All of my Catholic friends have Santa visit their homes. They were raised this way, and are very devout Catholics. I would consider myself a devout Catholic. The Santa that visited me taught about Christ’s love for us. I think that Santa was used as a wonderful learning tool for my siblings and I. Also, I don’t see that we, as parents, are intending to decieve our children. I see it more as letting them believe what they want. After all, they are children. When my asks me if Santa is real, I reply with ‘Do you think he is?’ He told me yes and I replied that that was good enough for me. He has asked if I have ever seen Santa. Well, no, I haven’t. But someone leaves those presents under the tree. One day, he’ll understand that it’s me. And he’ll understand that I am Santa- I use the name Santa as an alias. But Santa is still real…he’s me.
I don’t know- children believe lots of things are real. I used the example of Peter Pan in an earlier post. My 2 year old believes Mickey Mouse is real. I don’t dissuade him- he’s 2. Yet my 4 year old knows Mickey isn’t real. Why? He figured it out on his own. Just like he’ll figure out Santa isn’t real on his own.
But you know- my 2 year old can recite the Hail Mary. How cool is that? 2 years old- and he can recite the Hail Mary and part of the Our Father. I think that my kids have their priorities straight- Santa or no Santa. All day on Christmas, they asked questions about the particulars of Jesus’ birth. Oddly, they didn’t ask about how long of a nap Santa might be taking. I think that it boils down to us as parents. If we do our jobs right, Santa can come every December 24 and it will be just fine.
On the other hand, if someone doesn’t want to do the Santa thing- that’s fine too. To each his own. Just don’t ruin it for my kids… 🙂
God Bless you all!!
 
So I just found this out - pretty cool!

There is a town called Santa Claus in Indiana. In this town of Santa Claus, there is a Catholic Church called St. Nicholas! It is found on Holiday Blvd!

How cool is that?!?

stnicholascatholicchurch.org/
Very!

I remember, as a youngster, talking to many of Santa’s ‘helpers’ around this time of year. There was a communist family in the neighborhood and once their poor little girl came with my family on one such occasion. I chatted happily with Santa; she did not.

On the ride back my mother asked what was wrong. The little girl was near tears and said, “Santa won’t talk to me because he knows I’m not allowed to believe in him.”

Even today it breaks my heart.

I am one of those who does not see the necessity of waging a war against an enemy which does not exist, in a time when so many blatant enemies threaten the Church and indeed all of life.

Kids will be faced with far, far worse things in life than a belief that the Bishop of Myra puts presents under the tree, and they will not be better equipped to face it if (at an age when they are too young to understand) their mean-natured scold of a parent destroys their eagerness and joy.

Santa Claus is cool. 🙂
 
Gee, somebody is awfully quick to throw out the ‘lie’ card. And ‘silly’ too.

I wonder why a person would think that calling people ‘liars’ and ‘silly’ based on his personal opinion of a topic would be the way to get people to see his point of view. . .
I don’t see how anybody can call a pseudo-scientific dissertation on the biology of flying reindeer anything but a silly, elaborate lie.
 
I don’t see how anybody can call a pseudo-scientific dissertation on the biology of flying reindeer anything but a silly, elaborate lie.
Do you believe that God literally put Adam a sleep and created the first woman from his rib?
 
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