Santorum suspends campaign

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I am glad. How could anyone think this man is qualified to lead a nation of 300 million people in the middle of an economic downturn?
 
rlg94086 said:
Do you mean will Catholic Democrats choose their party over their faith? It’s an interesting question. Sad, but interesting.
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Religion and politics are separate, don’t bring both together
 
This all sounds like whistling past the graveyard. As Gilliam pointed out on another thread, the president is trending very near to Bill Clinton approaching his re-election bid.

Americans are loathe to change horses mid-stream.

John
 
oldcelt said:
This all sounds like whistling past the graveyard. As Gilliam pointed out on another thread, the president is trending very near to Bill Clinton approaching his re-election bid.

Americans are loathe to change horses mid-stream.

John
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John,

You forget that Clinton might have lost-twice-if it hadn’t been for Perot. No such candidate this time around. 🙂
 
Gift_from_God said:
Of course it does. Politics is a secular function. Bringing religion into it is improper
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The question was whether individuals would choose their political party over their faith. No one was talking about bringing about a religious state.

Are you saying you don’t vote based on your informed, Catholic conscience, as the Church teaches? You don’t let your faith get in the way of things?
 
rlg94086 said:
Are you saying you don’t vote based on your informed, Catholic conscience, as the Church teaches? You don’t let your faith get in the way of things?
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I vote based on principles, strategic thinking, and pragmatism, not Catholicism. Last I checked, the Church isn’t concerning itself with aspects such as privacy rights
 
Gift_from_God said:
I vote based on principles, strategic thinking, and pragmatism, not Catholicism. Last I checked, the Church isn’t concerning itself with aspects such as privacy rights
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Your Catholicism should inform every part of your life. Well, that’s according to the Church, but I guess you’ve seperated that from your strategic thinking. 😛
 
Santorum was and is one of our most eloquent, consistent defenders of the Faith and the Truth.

Good luck, Santorum. Maybe we will see you in 2016.

Now we have Romney left. Honorable man, but sorry, I DO have problems with his religion. And his wishy-washiness. And his flip-floppiness.

I WILL vote for Romney, but I will not do it gladly. We cannot have another term of Obama.

Yep.
 
For me personally, the decision will be difficult.
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I am unhappy with Obama, and he certainly hasn't solved the economic problem. I have mixed feelings about Obamacare. Some of it - for example, insurance must cover pre-existent conditions - is good, and I hate to see it scrapped entirely. 

On the other hand, the GOP can sound like a bunch of eager warriors. Just today John McCain and Joe Lieberman appear to be advocating US military involvement in Syria. When will this stop? The issues (as in Syria) are very complex. Besides, can we keep running around the world and helping to overthrow governments? Then, what kind of governments do we have? Consider Afghanistan and Iraq. I wouldn't surprised if there is more militant Islam in the Middle East today than there was in 2003 when we went into Iraq to find no WMDs. I understand, too, that most Syrian Christians favor Assad because he has treated them fairly. They worry more about the rise of persecution. Didn't I hear that Al Qaeda is for the insurgents in Syria? I think so. Etc. 

  The issues are not altogether clear and the campaign will determine my vote. If the Republicans are aggressively belligerent, I may vote for Obama. We need to get out of this continuous war cycle. So many young Americans are killed, many more maimed, thousands upon thousands of innocent civilians slaughtered, billions upon billions spent. One reason for your financial crisis and our huge debt is perpetual warfare.
 
I find this to be sad news.

Obviously, with the Administration’s HHS-mandate assault on the Church, I won’t be voting for Obama. I’m just not sure I can, in good conscience, vote for Romney. Quite apart from the religion issue (which gives me GREAT pause), I just find him to be a man of no principles and no moral core. Based upon what I have seen of his conduct during this campaign, I am not certain he is a step up from Obama. He may, in fact, be a step down. I honestly do not believe a thing he says.

I had serious disagreements with Santorum - largely on foreign policy. BUT I trusted that he was a man of principle, and a man who would also constantly reevaluate his positions in light of his faith. I was impressed with his consistency as a Catholic. I’m not sure Mitt Romney has any consistency even in his Mormonism.

May God help us.
 
Gift_from_God said:
Religion and politics are separate, don’t bring both together
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Maybe for you, but not for me. My vote is always based on my faith,. That’s my core values. I can not and will not separate my voting record from my core values. There is NO compartmetalizing in my voting record.
 
OrdinaryMelkite said:
Santorum was and is one of our most eloquent, consistent defenders of the Faith and the Truth.

Good luck, Santorum. Maybe we will see you in 2016.

Now we have Romney left. Honorable man, but sorry, I DO have problems with his religion. And his wishy-washiness. And his flip-floppiness.

I WILL vote for Romney, but I will not do it gladly. We cannot have another term of Obama.
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I will NOT be voting for Mitt Romney. I refuse to do it.

Romney is responsible for Catholic hospitals providing contraception. Obama isn’t yet responsible for the sin of Catholic hospitals, but currently Romney is responsible for the sin of tons of Catholics in the state of Massachusetts (along with the state legislature).

I’ve got 14 links that all prove that Romney lied about his opposition to contraception.

The mainstream media and establishment Republicans will tell you that Romney vetoed the bill that forced Catholic hospitals to provide contraception. But, that’s not the end of the story. 6 months later when the Bill was actually being implemented the State of Massachusetts Public Health Department came out and said, “we’ve been looking at this issue for the past 6 months, and there is still a religious exemption from a past law that this law does not override. IE: Catholic hospitals still have an out”.

The Govenor of Massachusetts has the final say so about the SUGGESTIONS of departments below him such as the Massachusettts Public Health Department. His legal council came out and disagreed and said the Catholic hospitals are going to have to provide contraception.

Then Mitt Romney himself said that in his personal opinion hospitals should provide emergency contraception to victims of rape. Emergency contraception should be noted as abortifacent… even though as Catholics we should be against contraception even if it is not abortifacient.

The bottom line is, fact checkers reported this story this year. No one actually payed attention to when the bill was implemented. They payed attention at when it was passed. So, Romney vetoed the bill in public, wrote an article why he vetoed it. And 6 months later he could have agreed with the suggestion of the Public Health Department. If he did that he would have spared the Catholic hospitals. But, he came down on the other side.

So, his implementation of the law as Govenor was a 180 degree turn from his veto. His implementation got no news coverage (at the time) while his veto got tons of coverage.

But tons of fact checkers of news organizations checked Romney’s record after he answered a question about contraception in a debate. And they all said he lied when he said he didn’t force the Catholic Church to provide contraception. Mainstream news organizations and their fact checkers all called him a liar. They all said that he DID force the Church to provide contraception.

That’s why I’m not voting for Mitt Romney. And I don’t care what any Romney supporter might say on this thread. On this thread my response to any criticism of this post is: read it again. It’s all here. If you want those 14 links that’s the only instance that is gonna get me to post again on this thread.

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Just because people have been taught to buy into the 2 party system doesn’t mean they can violate forum rules and be uncharitable towards other view points. Gary Johnson quoted a poll that says 82% of Americans would vote for a third party. So, I think ad hominem attacks on me are disgusting. And I’ll report them to a mod. I should have a right to post what I believe. And this is what I make of politics right now.
 
I was hoping to vote for Rick Santorum in the California primary. Maybe I still will.

Out here our votes seem to mean nothing all the time. I hope Mr. Romney has more to offer than viability or inevitability. I liked Rick Santorum’s responsibility. And maybe that’s why he is “quitting” the race for President and “joining” his daughter Bella more now when she needs he and Karen there.

Thanks for being proudly pro-life Rick. And I pray Bella will be well soon. America too for that matter.
 
OrdinaryMelkite said:
Santorum was and is one of our most eloquent, consistent defenders of the Faith and the Truth.
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:eek: The guy who said that Obama wanting everyone to go to college makes him a snob? If this is our standard for eloquence, I weep for the public image of our faith.
 
I pray for his child, she has been ill since birth, but Rick quit because he was about to get slaughtered in his “home” state, with only Republicans voting this time.

John
 
oldcelt said:
I pray for his child, she has been ill since birth, but Rick quit because he was about to get slaughtered in his “home” state, with only Republicans voting this time.

John
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I really do not know if that’s a certain. I may have voted for him, something I didn’t think I would consider a few months ago. I’m honestly surprised he was in the race as a viable candidate as long as he was. A year ago, I would have predicted he was out in the first primary. I think he surprised a lot of people, and I wouldn’t have been astonished if he had actually won the the PA primary.
 
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