Santorum suspends campaign

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Baelor said:
That was not his response. His response was that Obama was a snob and that colleges are liberal indoctrination factories.

Also, I think it is fair to consider Obama’s comments in a more idealistic context, i.e. that we should work toward the day on which anyone can go to college.

He is a political candidate. One is allowed to comment on him as such. The fact that he is Catholic does not make him a good president. All of the qualities you just mentioned, while praiseworthy, do not mean he would make a good president.
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My point is simple: Whether he would be a good President no longer matters. He is out, and he quit well before he had to with all the support he had…and he quit before Newt and Ron Paul. He has done the right thing by clearing the field for Romney. To attack him now is just wrong imo. He is out…done deal. No reason to attack him now.

My Catholic points are also simple: Santorum defended the faith strongly, like no other Presidential candidate through all USA history. We should applaud him, not attack him.
 
Leegal said:
Many, if not most, states already have conscience exemption laws in place.
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True. In this case it makes it easier for the insurance companies NOT to have do something, that is, paying out claims.
 
irishpatrick said:
My point is simple: Whether he would be a good President no longer matters. He is out, and he quit well before he had to with all the support he had…and he has quite before Newt and Ron Paul. He has done the right thing by clearing the field for Romney. To attack him now is just wrong imo. He is out…done deal. No reason to attack him now.
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When people are clamoring for future runs of his in this very thread, you should not advocate such an egregious double-standard. If some are allowed to praise his qualities, others are allowed to draw attention to his glaring faults.
My Catholic points are also simple: Santorum defended the faith strongly, like no other Presidential candidate through all USA history. We should applaud him, not attack him.
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I applaud his living his Catholicism. I will not applaud him as a political candidate, because I am still waiting for a Catholic intellectual to run and present our faith as something that intelligent people do believe. Santorum has demonstrated that he is not that.
 
Baelor said:
When people are clamoring for future runs of his in this very thread, you should not advocate such an egregious double-standard. If some are allowed to praise his qualities, others are allowed to draw attention to his glaring faults.

I applaud his living his Catholicism. I will not applaud him as a political candidate, because I am still waiting for a Catholic intellectual to run and present our faith as something that intelligent people do believe. Santorum has demonstrated that he is not that.
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Okay, so now you have my “ire” up. Tell us, please, with clarity, in what way did Santorum NOT represent the faith in an honest and accurate manner?

No double standard–talk of future runs mean nothing today–nothing. He and this country are going to change a lot between now and then.
 
Baelor said:
Why would I do this? I never made that claim.
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You said:

*"…because I am still waiting for a Catholic intellectual to run and present our faith as something that intelligent people do believe. Santorum has demonstrated that he is not that." *
 
irishpatrick said:
I find it quite disheartening to read so many posts blasting Santorum. He is a strong family man, strong father, strong husband, and a very strong defender of the faith. He is a brother in Christ, and all this bashing should have ceased the moment he decided to leave the race.

Catholics should be proud of Santorum, for having the courage to defend the faith in the face of the assault the media machine launched at him.

It is very disheartening to see so many Catholics attack their own. 😦
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I think he is a good Catholic but wasn’t the best candidate. I agreed with him on most of the issues, but in the end, the candidate has to appeal to a wide range of voters. It is perfectly legitimate to critique his candidacy while acknowleging his positive attributes. I wish the die-hard Santorum supporters didn’t take out their frustration by attacking Romney, who I also believe is a good man.

Ishii
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
Even if Romney makes it to the top, chances are that his vice-president will want to run in '20, and if that isn’t Santorum, then Santorum can wait until '28, given that the '20 GOP candidate hangs on for two terms.
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That is true, the sitting vice president has an edge for the nomination - but that edge could vary depending on the relative success of a hypothetical Romney presidency. If Romney won this year and then re-election in 2016, there would be a free-for-all for the nomination in 2020 just like in '88. A new improved Santorum could well get the nomination in 2020. I think we haven’t heard the last of Santorum, and that is probably a good thing.

Ishii
 
ishii said:
I think he is a good Catholic but wasn’t the best candidate. I agreed with him on most of the issues, but in the end, the candidate has to appeal to a wide range of voters. It is perfectly legitimate to critique his candidacy while acknowleging his positive attributes. I wish the die-hard Santorum supporters didn’t take out their frustration by attacking Romney, who I also believe is a good man.

Ishii
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I feel many Catholics/Christians seem blind to what really troubles this world, and our nation. It is the constant assault on innocent life, and the constant assault on Biblical and family values, that has led to our pain. Santorum understands that better than any of the other candidates, though I think Romney gets it to a fairly good degree. Romney is stronger on economic issues, Santorum stronger on social/moral issues. People tend to vote with their wallets, with little regard to their faith–so Romney better fits the general public.

With that said, I agree supporters of Santorum should not attack Romney just because Santorum got out. My main point is that Santorum is now out–he no longer has any real say in the future of this nation, he is at least 99% marginalized, and attacks on him now are just immoral low blows in my opinion. Very much like kicking a man when he is down…wrong and immoral. He is out, let him be out in peace.
 
irishpatrick said:
I feel many Catholics/Christians seem blind to what really troubles this world, and our nation. It is the constant assault on innocent life, and the constant assault on Biblical and family values, that has led to our pain. Santorum understands that better than any of the other candidates, though I think Romney gets it to a fairly good degree. Romney is stronger on economic issues, Santorum stronger on social/moral issues. People tend to vote with their wallets, with little regard to their faith–so Romney better fits the general public.

With that said, I agree supporters of Santorum should not attack Romney just because Santorum got out. My main point is that Santorum is now out–he no longer has any real say in the future of this nation, he is at least 99% marginalized, and attacks on him now are just immoral low blows in my opinion. Very much like kicking a man when he is down…wrong and immoral. He is out, let him be out in peace.
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Good points. I think the attacks on Santorum remind me of the attacks on Sarah Palin a couple of years ago. Santorum has more depth and experience than Palin, but I think they were making the similar arguments about the importance of the family.

Ishii
 
irishpatrick said:
I feel many Catholics/Christians seem blind to what really troubles this world, and our nation. It is the constant assault on innocent life, and the constant assault on Biblical and family values, that has led to our pain. Santorum understands that better than any of the other candidates, though I think Romney gets it to a fairly good degree. Romney is stronger on economic issues, Santorum stronger on social/moral issues. People tend to vote with their wallets, with little regard to their faith–so Romney better fits the general public.

With that said, I agree supporters of Santorum should not attack Romney just because Santorum got out. My main point is that Santorum is now out–he no longer has any real say in the future of this nation, he is at least 99% marginalized, and attacks on him now are just immoral low blows in my opinion. Very much like kicking a man when he is down…wrong and immoral. He is out, let him be out in peace.
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Nobody is kicking Santorum while he is down. Commenting on his voting record while he was in Congress and offering critiques of his positions is fair game, whether or not he is still in the race. Santorum is still very much a public figure, and if there is a TV camera around I have no doubt that he’ll still be giving his opinions. So providing “our” opinion on “his” opinion is completely fair.
 
ishii said:
Good points. I think the attacks on Santorum remind me of the attacks on Sarah Palin a couple of years ago. Santorum has more depth and experience than Palin, but I think they were making the similar arguments about the importance of the family.

Ishii
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Yes, and I think Santorum knew he would not win the nomination–he had a message to propogate. Hopefully, some were listening. 🙂
 
*John 15:18 "If the world hates you, realize that it hated me first.

19 If you belonged to the world, the world would love its own; but because you do not belong
to the world, and I have chosen you out of the world, the world hates you.

20 Remember the word I spoke to you, ‘No slave is greater than his master.’
If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you.
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Predictably, some partisan members of the media challenged Santorum with defending his faith - which they considered “radical” - by the tone of their questions.

Amazingly Rick actually answered these questions (even while pointing out a double standard in the media’s probing of HIS faith). Far from considering him imprudent, I marveled at his courage. I came away with the sense that some things were more important to him than even being president.

Santorum’s “losing” his Senate seat by 17% never seemed like an indictment to me - since to beat him the Democrats had to run Robert P. Casey, a pro-life candidate for a major office in a major state (and the son of popular Democratic pro-life Governor Bob Casey Sr. who fought Planned Parenthood and was perhaps America’s best known “pro-life Democrat”).

NOT to make a grandiose comparison - but its good to remember that Jesus lost an ‘election’ by a landslide on Good Friday (to Barrabas). One wonders if some of the crowd switched their ‘votes’ because Barrabas was the more inevitable winner.
 
It’s an ill wind that blows no good. Perhaps Rick will be the next to get a Huckabee-like show, or be a frequent commenter on the news - familiarizing America with who he really is - and inoculating his future campaigns against negatively crafted impressions of him by those with the power to define stereotypes.

It would be funny if - now that he’s ‘out’ - small turnouts in subsequent primaries lead to surprising Santorum showings, as he will still be on the ballots. If he actually won some states - would he reconsider and come back due to the “will of the people?” or “Draft Santorum” movements?

There still may be some super PACs taking money, running ads, etc.

We will now find out if the Not-Mitt survivors gain steam or whether Santorum’s supporters swing toward “unity” and “let’s win in November now.”
 
CaptFun said:
It’s an ill wind that blows no good. Perhaps Rick will be the next to get a Huckabee-like show, or be a frequent commenter on the news - familiarizing America with who he really is - and inoculating his future campaigns against negatively crafted impressions of him by those with the power to define stereotypes.

It would be funny if - now that he’s ‘out’ - small turnouts in subsequent primaries lead to surprising Santorum showings, as he will still be on the ballots. If he actually won some states - would he reconsider and come back due to the “will of the people?” or “Draft Santorum” movements?

There still may be some super PACs taking money, running ads, etc.

We will now find out if the Not-Mitt survivors gain steam or whether Santorum’s supporters swing toward “unity” and “let’s win in November now.”
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Santorum fought the good fight, kept the faith and ran the race as far as he could. But its over. The nominee is Mitt Romney. Now to defeat Obama.

Ishii
 
Christopher68 said:
Nobody is kicking Santorum while he is down. Commenting on his voting record while he was in Congress and offering critiques of his positions is fair game, whether or not he is still in the race. Santorum is still very much a public figure, and if there is a TV camera around I have no doubt that he’ll still be giving his opinions. So providing “our” opinion on “his” opinion is completely fair.
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There has been plenty of kicking here.
 
CaptFun said:
It’s an ill wind that blows no good. Perhaps Rick will be the next to get a Huckabee-like show, or be a frequent commenter on the news - familiarizing America with who he really is - and inoculating his future campaigns against negatively crafted impressions of him by those with the power to define stereotypes.

It would be funny if - now that he’s ‘out’ - small turnouts in subsequent primaries lead to surprising Santorum showings, as he will still be on the ballots. If he actually won some states - would he reconsider and come back due to the “will of the people?” or “Draft Santorum” movements?

There still may be some super PACs taking money, running ads, etc.

We will now find out if the Not-Mitt survivors gain steam or whether Santorum’s supporters swing toward “unity” and “let’s win in November now.”
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Maybe he could get the HHS spot.
 
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