Satanism

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From you lack of evidence to my repvious challenge I think its safe to conclude the arguement is this.

Your opinion vs. Fact

You’ll have to excuse me, I enjoy fact alot more than a personal opinion from a random person on a message board
LOL it really is opinion vs opinion. From what I have seen here, you like to twist and make up facts and never answer when you are caught.

You are not going to get devil worshipers to admit to what they really do. They want to make themselves seem harmless. My religious instructor spent sometime with people who worshiped the devil. As a result, he saw a lot of possessions. Görres, recounted their practices in his book. J.K. Huysmans also described practices such as the Black Mass in his book. Miracle du Saint-Sacrament is a dipiction in stain glass of the theft of a host by devil worshipers and the miracle of the host bleeding after being stabbed by a knife. Many a priest have told me they have to watch that Host are not taken from the Church by devil worshipers. It has happened.
The satanism described on wikipedia doesn’t sound like satanism to me…
Is it the same thing?
This is a modern day development. This particular sanatnism has only existed in the last 50 years. One thing has remained constant and that is the hatred of God’s Church.
 
LOL it really is opinion vs opinion. From what I have seen here, you like to twist and make up facts and never answer when you are caught.

You are not going to get devil worshipers to admit to what they really do. They want to make themselves seem harmless. My religious instructor spent sometime with people who worshiped the devil. As a result, he saw a lot of possessions. Görres, recounted their practices in his book. J.K. Huysmans also described practices such as the Black Mass in his book. Miracle du Saint-Sacrament is a dipiction in stain glass of the theft of a host by devil worshipers and the miracle of the host bleeding after being stabbed by a knife. Many a priest have told me they have to watch that Host are not taken from the Church by devil worshipers. It has happened.

This is a modern day development. This particular sanatnism has only existed in the last 50 years. One thing has remained constant and that is the hatred of God’s Church.
You are not a fan of reading are you? I made a distiction between satanism (devil-worshippers) and Satanism. Big S variety worships the self and is almost identical to Buddhism the difference being they picked their name to annoy ignorant Christians.

As for your claims of devil-worshippers, alot of it is media hype. Its aim is to discredit the Satanic Chruch so ti could tell stories. Everything from false memories, documents and account have been used.
I woud think youd be sympathetic after the vicious claims agasnt Catholics after the boy-happy priests got caught
 
You are not a fan of reading are you? I made a distiction between satanism (devil-worshippers) and Satanism. Big S variety worships the self and is almost identical to Buddhism the difference being they picked their name to annoy ignorant Christians.

What does this have to do with my comment???

As for your claims of devil-worshippers, alot of it is media hype. Its aim is to discredit the Satanic Chruch so ti could tell stories. Everything from false memories, documents and account have been used.
I guess you didn’t read that I said this was a modern development that started in 1950. What I stated occured centuries ago. The instructor I told you about wasn’t a media hype. I have seen it myself.
I woud think youd be sympathetic after the vicious claims agasnt Catholics after the boy-happy priests got caught
When you can’t debate attack. This has nothing to do with the subject.

Obviously your the one that lacks skill in reading.
Satanism is not just one thing it is a hodgepod
religioustolerance.org/satanism.htm
There are probably dozens of different religious belief systems and practices that have been called “Satanism.” Depending upon the precise meaning given to the word, the total number of Satanists in the world can be anything from a few thousand to four billion individuals. Dialog on the topic is almost impossible because there is such variability in the meaning of “Satanism” and “Satanist.”
Satanism by my definition is worshipping the devil. That worship can be overt, that is actually calling on the devil or covert which Anton LaVey’s church is for he servces the devil’s ambition which is to take people away from God.
 
You are not a fan of reading are you? I made a distiction between satanism (devil-worshippers) and Satanism. Big S variety worships the self and is almost identical to Buddhism the difference being they picked their name to annoy ignorant Christians.

As for your claims of devil-worshippers, alot of it is media hype. Its aim is to discredit the Satanic Chruch so ti could tell stories. Everything from false memories, documents and account have been used.
I woud think youd be sympathetic after the vicious claims agasnt Catholics after the boy-happy priests got caught
Hi Loginus,
RE: the difference being they picked their name to annoy ignorant Christians.
I came to that same conclusion as I researched the sites Google’s results provided. :rotfl:

Anyway, even though I don’t agree with the beliefs of either position: (S) and (s), I still think it important to make the distinction. Especially if one is going to be discussing the topic.
In this case, distinction is necessary to the discussion.

God Bless!
 
When you can’t debate attack. This has nothing to do with the subject.

Obviously your the one that lacks skill in reading.
Satanism is not just one thing it is a hodgepod
religioustolerance.org/satanism.htm

Satanism by my definition is worshipping the devil. That worship can be overt, that is actually calling on the devil or covert which Anton LaVey’s church is for he servces the devil’s ambition which is to take people away from God.
You do realize by your definition anything non-christian can be classified as ‘Satanism’ right?
 
You do realize by your definition anything non-christian can be classified as ‘Satanism’ right?
That is your opinion and your interpretation. No my definition does not make non-christian satanism. The devil is real. He wants worship as he told Jesus. Satan is happy when people are deceived. He is especially happy when people are deceived into believing he does not exist that santanism is
It’s all about personal growth and very agaisnt the idea of a institution telling you how to run your life. They believe that God inteded for a person to discover themselves not to sheepishly follow (this is what they think ) some monolithic entity. They dont actually worship Satan, they just admire how in the tale of Paradise Lost, Satan defied order to find his own place.
By the way I checked some websites, most of them say they don’t believe in God. The emphasis in their belief is they are god.
 
Wow…didn’t mean to start a fight. It’s like a boxing ring in here.
 
And from the looks of your posts on other threads youll be a prominent resident there as well lol
Satanism is a defiance of God. Though they may not directly worship Satan, they worship his ways. That is bad enough.

The Satanist cult is likely bound for hellfire.
 
Satanism is a defiance of God. Though they may not directly worship Satan, they worship his ways. That is bad enough.

The Satanist cult is likely bound for hellfire.
Exactly, everyone knows God hates individuality!

Tell yaa what, I bring yaa a pack of cards and we can play crazy 8s while we burn together 😉
 
That makes so much sense, almost. He made each one of us as individuals, so how could he hate individuality?
I see your not a fan of sarcasim 😉

He was attacking the teachings of Satanism calling them inherently evil. Whats funny is that what Satanism teaches (as shown from all the discussion b4) is that it is all about individuality.

So by saying what he said, he’s basically saying individuality = evil
 
I see your not a fan of sarcasim 😉

**I couldn’t decide if you were being sarcastic or not. I almost went back to delete my post, but decided not to.
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He was attacking the teachings of Satanism calling them inherently evil. Whats funny is that what Satanism teaches (as shown from all the discussion b4) is that it is all about individuality.

So by saying what he said, he’s basically saying individuality = evil
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You also said that Satanist admire Satan “finding himself” by defying God. That is what makes it truly evil. There is nothing wrong with individuality in itself. If there were, God wouldn’t have made every man different. However, we should not use indiviuality as an excuse to sin, or turn away from God. This perverts His gift of individuality, and is what is wrong with Satanism.**
Does anyone else have trouble typing out “individuality”? I have to slow down and pay attention to what I’m typing when I get to that word:rolleyes: .
 
Does anyone else have trouble typing out “individuality”? I have to slow down and pay attention to what I’m typing when I get to that word:rolleyes: .
Yaa me too><

As for the other thing, It was pointed our earlier in the discussion Satanists dont actually worship Satan. They are in fact, atheists. Its really more of a running joke to irritate ignorant christians. The model thing is because they view the character of God as a beaurocrat (sp?)whom dislikes individuality and free-thought.

Not saying its right or wrong but again, they dont actually worship Satan. being atheists they equate God/Satan to elves and unicorns:p
 
Satanism is a defiance of God. Though they may not directly worship Satan, they worship his ways. That is bad enough.

The Satanist cult is likely bound for hellfire.
Are pride and arrogance the ways of Satan as well? Just asking. Not implying anything.
(of course I am)
 
Well Satanism really isn’t something that I go read up about, so I am probably one of those ‘ignorant Christian’ people. Even if they don’t worship Satan, mearly admiring him or joining a “religion” in his name certainly isn’t good. Of course, if they indeed are simply atheists as you say, then that in itself makes it wrong. Now I am just beating a dead horse though, so enough of that.
 
Loginus:

The atheists have it all wrong. God has to be the unicorn, and the devil is Tim Curry (from Legend circa 1985). That way they can at least battle it out with the help of Tom Cruise! 😃

Let’s be polite and not bash Loginus just for presenting the difference between the two forms of S(s)atanism. It seems to me the original poster was more interested in learning about satanism.

As for being in hell, according to SP, we will all be there… except the chosen 144,000 who will be wearing bike helmets ad infinitum.

Take care.
 
satanism seems about as likely to land you in hell as thearpy, which can be seen as having a similar goal. At least satanism is cheaper.
 
What is Satanism?

Satanism, the first carnal religion in human history, was codified and established by Anton Szandor LaVey (1930-1997) with the founding of the Church of Satan in 1966 C.E. (Year One). It is a religion and a philosophy based on man as he really is: a carnal being free from the fiction that is spirituality and one who champions total responsibility, pragmatism, and the here-and-now. Currently, the Church of Satan is headed by High Priest Peter H. Gilmore, High Priestess Peggy Nadramia, and Magistra Blanche Barton. Additional information on Church of Satan hierarchical structure, policies, updates, and more can be found at the CoS website.

Satanism has been referred to as an “unreligion” in the sense that it does not subscribe to the notion of an anthropomorphic deity and, by extension, some being who must be worshiped, its most common misconception. Others say that Satanism is challenging popular notions of how ‘religion’ is defined, not content with the dictates of Judeo-Christian strictures. Both are valid opinions. But for those who feel that deity worship and religion must be and always have been inextricably bound, it should be noted that Satanism’s lack of deity belief and deity worship is not singular as Buddhism, Confucianism, and Taoism (all considered religions the world over) also share this viewpoint. Also, the concept of a literal “Satan” which infiltrates people’s lives and influences their decisionmaking is exclusively Christian, and decidedly not Satanic.

Satanism is further described as being a de facto personality type as, in the words of Anton LaVey, “Satanists are born, not made.” To try is to lie. It takes a certain set of predispositions to accurately label oneself a Satanist, to naturally feel at home with all that Satanism entails. Satanism, as a philosophy, can be potentially taken and learned from by a large percentage of the population, but this does not make one a Satanist, but, perchance, Satanic. Qualities such as cowardice, insecurity, self-loathing, drug addiction, stupidity, constant life failures, unconditional niceness, and lack of direction (and there are MANY more) are clear indicators that the person in question and the title of Satanist are NOT compatible. For such a person, Satanism isn’t a direct reflection of one’s core (as it is with Satanists), it can only be a human improvement program at best, which is valid on that level only. This is one distinction that many, be they Satanic “hopeful” or earnest researcher, would be better off to recognize.

It must be stressed that critically reading The Satanic Bible by Anton Szandor LaVey is tantamount to understanding at least the basics of Satanism. It is the definitive tome of Satanism and cannot be avoided if accurate knowledge of Satanism is desired. As supplement (read: not replacement), perusing some of the Satanic magazines published by Church of Satan members and officials will lend some insight into Satanism in motion, as a productive model. And of course, websites published by these same folks (including myself) are also useful. Conversely, we do not officially advocate chat rooms and message boards as viable sources of Satanic information.

Membership in the Church of Satan is completely voluntary and not required in order to be a Satanist.

web.satanism101.com/index.html
 
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