Satanism

[Imryl]

That’s Lucifarian (ism?).

 

[Everstruggling]

That’s Lucifarian (ism?).

Good to know, thanks.

 

[The_Truthinator]

That is not reciprocated in any way. Should it be? Someone asked me to give them a reason to serve satan. Give me a reason not to. (Sorry eternal suffering just isn’t a good enough argument for me.) Do you need a reason to serve God? I would hope you do it because you believe it is right, not because of the reward at the end.

Think about it in the context of friendship in general: Does one not graciously accept friendly affection when given and return it, also? What’s more … you’re right–we didn’t deserve what we got … We deserved … less than nothing … something worse. I really don’t think my explanation of these things will do the realities behind them justice. But we don’t even deserve the blood running through our veins. It’s never struck you as odd to think that even though daily you reject Yeshua he still gives you even little bits of his grace, even in that he gives you life?

I also have to wonder, how do you worship Samael if you don’t know who he is (you said you haven’t read the Bible)?

I understand a little bit about unconditional love from what revelations I’m given, in Scripture and just in my heart. Yet were every day of my life someone who wanted nothing more than to see me die in the most horrific of ways and set me up for this … who left me alone, humiliated, isolated, hated, in pain, in depression, in the deepest of shame … then I ask, how can you form a friendship there?

You may worship this thing … but just as you don’t reciprocate God’s love in any way, neither does Samael reciprocate yours. With all my concern, and with the fullest of convictions, my friend, he wants nothing more than to see you suffering … writhing, dying. Just recognize that to choose him–it–you choose death. However, the grace of God is that you and I aren’t robots and we have the choice to accept Yeshua or not … So, in the end, it is as it has been: Your choice.

 

[Imryl]

Think about it in the context of friendship in general: Does one not graciously accept friendly affection when given and return it, also?

Graciously accept? I would say tolerate and be polite. Being polite is not the same as as returning friendly affection.

It’s never struck you as odd to think that even though daily you reject Yeshua he still gives you even little bits of his grace, even in that he gives you life?

I would call it his mistake.

I also have to wonder, how do you worship Samael if you don’t know who he is (you said you haven’t read the Bible)?

I know who he is and what he stands for. No I have not read the entire bible. To be honest, the drivel in there just doesn’t appeal to me.

then I ask, how can you form a friendship there?

He is no more a friend of mine then a master to a slave. There’s no nice or quaint way of saying it, trust me I was trying to think of a way not to equate myself to a slave. I do not believe I get anything. No perks when I die, no thanks. And I really have no desire for it.

My major frustration is - I have no idea why I feel this way. I’m a fairly rational person and this is the only irrational part of my life. It’s rather annoying to be honest.

but just as you don’t reciprocate God’s love in any way, neither does Samael reciprocate yours.

I know.

my friend, he wants nothing more than to see you suffering … writhing, dying.

And when the time comes, that’s really what I’m prepared for.

Still, if anyone can provide insight. That would be nice, because like I said… It’s really a completely irrational ideology.

 

[The_Truthinator]

Still, if anyone can provide insight. That would be nice, because like I said… It’s really a completely irrational ideology.

It is fascinating … Do you feel like you’ve really come to grips with the realities of your belief-system–those realities that do make this so irrational? Or do you think they’ve yet to take root?

Psychology, I admit, is not my field, though it fascinates me immensely. Yet I was told to be honest in my evaluation of myself and I often seek to explain (or rather, theorize about) the behavioral patterns of others, as well.

If I can help you to understand yourself in some way, I’d be more than glad to. Is there any information you think might be pertinent that you’re withholding? Obviously, there is a reasoning, a personal logic, behind your beliefs, and to understand this is to begin to understand just why it is you think as you do.

How far back can you recall demonstrating an interest in … the “antagonistic types”? In books, movies, reality?

 

[August]

They don’t believe in satan. They regard “satan” as a symbol. They believe in an eye for an eye. The will be nice to those that are nice to them. They will hit those who hit them…

I remember a satanist saying this on a special about religion in prision. I thought the fact that the guys on tv were violent felons spoke a lot louder than their statements that satan was just a symbol. They may not think he’s real, but they sure don’t act morally.

 

[SuzieB]

Imryl,

Was it a Catholic First Communion? If it was I think its very interesting, that as you were preparing to receive God for the first time, that these feelings became apparent to you. That is was them that you rejected God and turned to Satan.

 

[The_Truthinator]

Is there any information you think might be pertinent that you’re withholding?

Not that I can think of, you’re not the first to ask me this question. There’s a thread somewhere on this forum, called An attempt. That’s bascially the jist.

Quote:
How far back can you recall demonstrating an interest in … the “antagonistic types”? In books, movies, reality?

Antagonistic types? It’s never changed between different types. Sometime before the usual time for ones first communion.

So do you think that this “rationality” was an evolution of sorts, or do you think it was infused at development? I’ve heard theories that in the developmental process of infants certain traits and attributes become decided upon (though they often, if not always, are reversable); that is a possibility. The other being that for whatever reason, you gradually accepted this reasoning.

May I ask, what was your family like? Parents, siblings? (I know this may sound corny, but in examining myself I find quite often things about my behavior and preferances that stem from this, and in others, as well.)

 

[Imryl]

May I ask, what was your family like? Parents, siblings? (I know this may sound corny, but in examining myself I find quite often things about my behavior and preferances that stem from this, and in others, as well.)

They’re good people. I’ve always gotten along with them, even through what is usually a rough time during adolescence. Still I wouldn’t interfer if their fate was to end up in hell.

My brother was ‘the bad one’.

 

[SuzieB]

Yes.

Pardon? Sorry that statement doesn’t make any sense to me.

I’m sorry. I don’t see what so confusing. Do you not turn away from God, and serve Satan.

You said you remember becoming aware of your desire to be a Satanist at the time of your First Communion.

Catholics believe in transubstantiation. Which means that you literally consume the body and blood of Christ.

I thought the correlation between those two incidents in you life interesting.

Sorry, if it sounds stupid to you.

 

[The_Truthinator]

They’re good people. I’ve always gotten along with them, even through what is usually a rough time during adolescence. Still I wouldn’t interfer if their fate was to end up in hell.

My brother was ‘the bad one’.

“In Hell”? Why? They were Christians (well, Catholics, anyway), weren’t they?

What do you mean by “bad one”? What was his behavior like? What do you think of his spirituality?

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BTW,

Catholics believe in transubstantiation. Which means that you literally consume the body and blood of Christ.

I disagree with this. As it was pointed out to me, many serious Catholic theologians’, such as Aquinas’s, teachings were centered more along the lines of Christ’s real glorified body being received through Communion, and gradually, overliteralization took over.

 

[Imryl]

No it didn’t sound stupid Suzie, I just didn’t understand the statement I quoted. Sorry.

Why is that interesting? The purpose of communion was lost to me a very long time ago. It was before first communion by the way, that’s just the earliest time I remember being aware of it.

What do you mean by “bad one”? What was his behavior like? What do you think of his spirituality?

Drinking, drugs, temper, sex… he did it all. His spirituality? Well… his wife somehow dragged him back to the church. I don’t know about his specific beliefs, I don’t ask

 

[The_Truthinator]

Drinking, drugs, temper, sex… he did it all. His spirituality? Well… his wife somehow dragged him back to church.

Wow … My sister … Sorry, I keep feeling like I can relate to you more than you realize…

How did you find out about this stuff? Was he open about his drinking and drug-use, as well as sexual activity? Where did all of this discord leave you, Imryl? It must have been hard on you … Yet you describe your homelife as being relatively peaceful. I’m curious.

 

[SuzieB]

I am not a cradle Catholic so I don’t have first hand experience with having a First Communion. I do know you take classes to prepare. Part of those classes would have been to explain and make sure you understood the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist.

Do you remember how you felt about that?

Was it then that you thought, “No, I don’t want that. I don’t want God.” “I want to follow Satan.”

I don’t know. It just seems to me it was pivotal moment, the time when you made the choice that has brought you to where you are today.

I’m probably way offbase. First Communion happens I think when you are about 8 years of age. That may be too young to be having such deep thoughts.

 

[The_Truthinator]

Why would it be hard? I never cared. It’s his life, if he choose to play with fire, why should I care if he got burned?

You didn’t care if your brother got burned? Why not? If you got burned, you’d surely care. Why not with him …?

Hey, I have to get to bed to make church in the morning. Imryl, keep thinking, keep being honest in your evaluation of yourself. I’ll pray for a revelation … Good night.

 

[Theinvisibleman]

There are two types really. Levar satanism(secualr) and theistic stanism.

Most satanists are levar. I dont really fear them or scorn them. They see satan, not as a supernatural being, but a rebel who wanted to do things his own way. They believe in independence and to work on themselves(ie better themselves)I have a couple friends that were or are currently levar satanists, and they are both nice and easy to get along with.

Theistsic ones however, are screwed up, to say the least. They are genrally darker and many are sadists. I also find them to be stupid, as they think they’ll get special treatment in hell or something. Nope, they burn with the rest of them.

 

[dessert]

I think what IMYRL is getting at is the sin of the world;ie Satanism and other things under other names but could pass for Satanism. This is a somewhat cynical attitude that other things pass and don’t get so harshley judged if you see the injustice in it. Only cynical if you let it stop you from having faith in God yourself.

IE; Exploitation of children, the infamous beauty pagents for 5,6 ,or 7 yr girls. I don’t like these but society says they are OK . They teach the child that beauty is the most value thing in the world it will bring rewards instead of showing the child that their worth is not based on what they look like but on their character.

Should or could we catorgorize these as SAtanism?

Is this what you are getting at Imryl?

This could start a philosophy thread also Imyrl. Dessert

 

[rayne100]

Worshiping the devil himself is the most dangerous things to do

There is angels and dark angels

I personally believe that the illness of this century : depression, anxiety disorders, and other mental psychotics disorders, are due to evil manifestation…Trying to lead people to suicide

Evil manifestation can be by internal voices…some voices that are strange to use, that doesn’t belong to us…that makes you think in what you don’t want to think

And it can be a very awful thoughts

A person in such a condition of mental illness, can be a perfect victim for that Religion

Because without God…We are in hands of the devil

Um what you are describing is Schitzophrenea and it’s a nuerological and chemical dysfunction, not a possession or temptation. Please leave mental illness out of this.

 

[EDUCE_1]

The satan (little s) in Job is distinctly different from the later Christian Satan identified with Lucifer. ‘Satan’ means ‘opponent’ in the sense of a prosecuting attorney, not a supreme evil, and the satan is subservient to God, operating at his command and reporting back with the rest of the angels. All the angels have functions; the satan’s is to test humanity, to try to prove they are unworthy.

I really kinda sympathize with the guy, he’s got a cruddy job and knows it – but at least he gets to have a little fun now and then trying to keep God on his toes, though it’s ultimately frustrating.

I am sorry to say but satan means “adversary” quite different meaning than opponent.
Secondly, Satan is the supreme evil. He is Lord of this world!!
Satan does not take his commands from God. Just read the book of Job. God allows satan free will to do as he pleases as we have free willl to call upon the Lord to make satan flee with just the mention of his name.

Satan’s purpose is to deny as many people from the Lord as possible for he knows he is beaten. When Jesus died on the Cross for all our sins.

If the Lord commands satan to do his bidding. Can you help me answer this; How can you get fresh water and salt water fron the same spring?

 

[Mirdath]

I am sorry to say but satan means “adversary” quite different meaning than opponent.

Have you checked a thesaurus recently? They’re synonymous.

Secondly, Satan is the supreme evil. He is Lord of this world!!
Satan does not take his commands from God. Just read the book of Job. God allows satan free will to do as he pleases as we have free willl to call upon the Lord to make satan flee with just the mention of his name.

Satan the devil is distinct from the satan in the book of Job. Angels do not always have pleasant functions – look at how the last plague on Egypt was accomplished, for instance. That there would be an angel who continually argued humanity’s unworthiness is no stretch at all. Further, in the initial chapter, we see all the angels coming to present themselves before God, with the satan among them. He acts as an agent of God, getting explicit permission before doing anything to Job; would a devil extend that courtesy of asking directly?

If the Lord commands satan to do his bidding. Can you help me answer this; How can you get fresh water and salt water fron the same spring?

Divert half of it through a salt lick.