Satanists conduct "Black Masses." Do they also conduct "Black Bible study services"??

[IanCorrigan]

geocities.com/expagan4christ/

Above is a link to a site that you should read. It’s her testimony. Why would Satanists hate God’s Word and prayer that only Catholics read and do? They hate it whether it’s from a Catholic or Protestant.

What pray tell does the devil inspire and approve related to Protestants that can’t also be found in the Catholic church? Sin exists everywhere no matter the name on the church.

Peace…

Fa Chan

For the record, the above site is almost certainly entirely fictional. In my 30+ years of involvement in Paganism and the occult I have seen exactly zero sign of secret ‘Satanist’ cults that recruit through Paganism. Pagans are generally disgusted by the idea of Satanism, and there’s little or no relationship between them.

‘Satanism’ is a story invented by the church, based on inversion of churchly things. It has never existed apart from the Christian context from which it arose and has no meaning at all in a Pagan context.
Ian

 

[Imryl]

According to the website I linked to earlier from the ex-pagan, it’s true. So, I guess you would have to argue that with her.

Not everyone tells the truth. Just because it’s up on a website doesn’t make it fact.

In my worldview God is love and Satan is hate. Whatever God is, Satan is the opposite. And according to my experience with theistic Satanist cults …

First of all, cults in any religion have a tendency to be extreme. Mob mentality and all that. While I understand how there could be cases like that, satanists are just like anyone else… And they would hardly get any work done if the obsessed over who was Christian and whether or not they should like them based on that.

You say not true, but don’t offer a rebuttal, just declare it as fact. Explain to me why this isn’t true. My experience is that when I make the sign of the cross they rebel against it. And as I wear my crucifix or hold it they see it and know it and it makes them uncomfortable.

You’re talking about people here. I have been a diabolist for a very long time, and I neither recoil nor get violent when I encounter things like that. Seriously, how would one be able to function in the world if that were the case. The devil isn’t ignorant friend, he’s not going to betray his presence over little things.

But really you said it best…

I suppose I should clarify that I am speaking of the demons that are possessing the people I work with, not the people themselves when they are under their own influence. I should have made that clear earlier.

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initiated into a Satanic cult blood is taken and put in a book.

Well - no one knows about my beliefs. Except for the people who have read a few of my posts on this forum. If you were to actually track me down… I doubt you could convince anyone who knows me that I’m a satanist.

But I do know, and have known, other satanists. Both people involved in what I would consider ‘cult’ activity as well as individuals. But I have never once encountered the things I’ve seen posted on this board. I have news for you… your name in a book, whether in pen or blood has no significance what-so-ever. Your choices and actions speak volumes… whether you call yourself a christian or whether you aknowledge who you really serve.

My experiences don’t cover all Satanism as all Christianity is not under the same umbrella.

I understand what you’re trying to say. I do. Satanism really is extremely difficult to qualify and most people I’ve met have really allowed their beliefs to consume them. (Talking diabolism here) They’re not really what I would call ‘stable’ people. It effects people in different ways… Sometimes it makes people more angry/violent because they perceive that that is what the devil wants. Sometimes they’re just lazy, unmotivated slobs…Sometimes they’re mentally ill… some use it as an excuse to do what they want. I’ve encountered all types. But you have those types of people in christianity too I suppose.

For the record, the above site is almost certainly entirely fictional. In my 30+ years of involvement in Paganism and the occult I have seen exactly zero sign of secret ‘Satanist’ cults that recruit through Paganism.

Ditto.

Pagans are generally disgusted by the idea of Satanism, and there’s little or no relationship between them.

{…} has no meaning at all in a Pagan context.

Also my experience.

 

[PJR]

It doesn’t really matter if the satanist believes in God or Satan…the evil one’s greatest trick is to convince us that he isn’t real… he does exist and evil rituals are anything but a joke. And Satan really does believe in God so the joke is on those who are tricked by his lies.

Of course satanic rituals include a black mass. The Eucharist is the most powerful prayer we have against the forces of evil. Satan knows that. I don’t buy the bit about the jolly satanic cults who are just making fun of our superstitious rites and it means nothing to them really.

I didn’t think the original question was divisive but spoke truth. Consecrated hosts are very valuable to satanic cults because of WHO they are. I think it is fair to state that the highest form of worship of Our Lord would be what Satan mocks.

 

[Imryl]

I didn’t think the original question was divisive but spoke truth. Consecrated hosts are very valuable to satanic cults because of WHO they are. I think it is fair to state that the highest form of worship of Our Lord would be what Satan mocks.

Dear,

I’m sorry but I have to be blunt here… maybe it’ll make a little more sense then.

The devil gets to mock God every time a person dies in a state of mortal sin. That is far more valuable then your precious hosts. Desecrating one of those is merely a sin and can be forgiven. Whether you commit adultery or desecrate something Holy, if you don’t ask forgiveness you’ll end up in the same place.

Some sins are just more entertaining, that’s all.

 

[Fa_Chan]

Asking for Michael’s helps makes sense to me. Ariel sounds like a familiar name from Islam maybe? Metatron? Where does that come from? Is he the guardian angel of transformers (kidding)? But seriously where do these other names come from?

Here is a link to a good site that describes some of these angels.

sarahsarchangels.com/info.html

It’s not a Catholic site, but is by a Christian. Metatron has been called the “lesser YHWH” in Judaism. He is very powerful. Ariel is an angel associated with the archangel Uriel. Ariel is an angel of exorcism and has healing powers. Ariel is mentioned in the Catholic Bible in 2 Esdras throughout and Metatron is mentioned from many sources as being Enoch previously. There is another link you can find here:

thechristianrabbi.org/whoismetatron.htm

Peace…

Fa Chan

 

[Fa_Chan]

For the record, the above site is almost certainly entirely fictional. In my 30+ years of involvement in Paganism and the occult I have seen exactly zero sign of secret ‘Satanist’ cults that recruit through Paganism. Pagans are generally disgusted by the idea of Satanism, and there’s little or no relationship between them.

‘Satanism’ is a story invented by the church, based on inversion of churchly things. It has never existed apart from the Christian context from which it arose and has no meaning at all in a Pagan context.
Ian

Unless you know this person personally you can’t say it’s fictional based on your own experience. You know what you know. I know what I know. Who knows what others know?

A close friend I’m working with is coming out of Satanism. He claims that paganism is a lesser teaching used to initiate people into Satanism (theistic). Everyone in his cult went through this medium first.

If you want to throw out the word “Satan” then that’s fine. I can also call him “Devil”. Satan simply is a name that means “adversary”. You can give him whatever name you like. Theistic Satanists, diabolists (devil worshippers) all are under the influence of the same evil presence. I have seen and felt this evil, whether from a Luciferian, theistic Satanist or just plain old devil worshipper. The moniker doesn’t matter.

Fa Chan

 

[Ravyn_Guiliani]

Well there is the Satanic Bible.

I presume since there is such an entity that satanists read it. But then again, I don’t know much about satanism.

But I agree, there is no point to this thread.

The Satanic Bible, by Anton LaVey, is not like a Holy Bible at all. There are no scriptures per se. It is more like a self-help book format written by LaVey teaching you how to be selfish and powerful in the world. There is only a couple of chapters dealing with anything remotely like a religion or a ritual and it is meant to be cathartic for the pain caused by (or perceived to be caused by) organized religion.

If you want the real dark spooky stuff you are dealing with more of Luciferian Satanism which has alot of gothic fantasy involved like modern witchcraft and vampirism. LaVey’s Satanism is nothing more than extreme secular humanism. He used the symbol of Satan for shock value.

 

[Publisher]

geocities.com/expagan4christ/

Above is a link to a site that you should read. It’s her testimony. Why would Satanists hate God’s Word and prayer that only Catholics read and do? They hate it whether it’s from a Catholic or Protestant.

What pray tell does the devil inspire and approve related to Protestants that can’t also be found in the Catholic church? Sin exists everywhere no matter the name on the church.

Peace…

Fa Chan

Sorry couldn’t NOT comment again…it is almost laughable if it wasn’t so sad.

I read the above link…nice fantasy…I think the dear girl had a bit too many drugs and a very overactive imagination.

Sounds like she was attempting a “christian” version of a Harry Potter novel, and changed it to a “testimony” at the last minute…for those who really believe such things…it does more violence to the cedibility of Christianity than one can imagine…it makes faith in Christ a delusional fantasy game.

I am amazed at this time of year as we approach Halloween how many self proclaimed “exorcists” and “demon and vampire hunters” come out of the woodwork.

 

[Fa_Chan]

Not everyone tells the truth. Just because it’s up on a website doesn’t make it fact.

Neither does the fact that it’s on a website disprove it.

You’re talking about people here. I have been a diabolist for a very long time, and I neither recoil nor get violent when I encounter things like that. Seriously, how would one be able to function in the world if that were the case. The devil isn’t ignorant friend, he’s not going to betray his presence over little things.

Yes, I was speaking of demons, not the people in their right mind. I should have clarified that earlier. When I went back and looked at my post I realized I blurred the identification between Satanists and the diabolical unclean spirits that can inhabit them.

Well - no one knows about my beliefs. Except for the people who have read a few of my posts on this forum. If you were to actually track me down… I doubt you could convince anyone who knows me that I’m a satanist.

Actually I have read many of your posts. I did a search on you months ago. I doubt you could convince me that you don’t work with demons like Satanists do. Whether you are Satanist or a “diabolist” the source is the same. Of course you would disagree with that. But evil is evil and good is good.

But I do know, and have known, other satanists. Both people involved in what I would consider ‘cult’ activity as well as individuals. But I have never once encountered the things I’ve seen posted on this board. I have news for you… your name in a book, whether in pen or blood has no significance what-so-ever. Your choices and actions speak volumes… whether you call yourself a christian or whether you aknowledge who you really serve.

Even if you have never encountered them doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. What i have written from my experiences as an exorcist is completely true. I have news for you…there is a Book of Life in Heaven with people’s names on it that means a lot and there is a book used by cults that records their activities. For example, when they are six years old they begin their life with the Devil, Satan or whatever name you wish to give the evil presence that opposes God.

I understand what you’re trying to say. I do. Satanism really is extremely difficult to qualify and most people I’ve met have really allowed their beliefs to consume them. (Talking diabolism here) They’re not really what I would call ‘stable’ people. It effects people in different ways… Sometimes it makes people more angry/violent because they perceive that that is what the devil wants. Sometimes they’re just lazy, unmotivated slobs…Sometimes they’re mentally ill… some use it as an excuse to do what they want. I’ve encountered all types. But you have those types of people in christianity too I suppose.

Satanism, diabolism, luciferianism to me has the same essence, the same source. It’s all rebellion against God which has evil as its source. That’s my definition. Sorry if that differs from yours, but that’s the way I see it. I didn’t see it that way for many years, but I can no longer deny it because I have experienced evil to its core.

Fa Chan

 

[Fa_Chan]

Sorry couldn’t NOT comment again…it is almost laughable if it wasn’t so sad.

I read the above link…nice fantasy…I think the dear girl had a bit too many drugs and a very overactive imagination.

Sounds like she was attempting a “christian” version of a Harry Potter novel, and changed it to a “testimony” at the last minute…for those who really believe such things…it does more violence to the cedibility of Christianity than one can imagine…it makes faith in Christ a delusional fantasy game.

I am amazed at this time of year as we approach Halloween how many self proclaimed “exorcists” and “demon and vampire hunters” come out of the woodwork.

Come with me and experience exorcism yourself. I’d be glad to show you. I didn’t believe in demons or the Devil for a while. Encountering evil the way I have changed my tune real quick. People assume the dear girl is lying or delusional. I guess you only believe what you want.

I’m amazed at the denial from so many Satanists, diabolists and pagans as to the truths that are told. But, doesn’t really surprise me. Who wants to admit these things?

Fa Chan

 

[Publisher]

Come with me and experience exorcism yourself. I’d be glad to show you. I didn’t believe in demons or the Devil for a while. Encountering evil the way I have changed my tune real quick. People assume the dear girl is lying or delusional. I guess you only believe what you want.

I’m amazed at the denial from so many Satanists, diabolists and pagans as to the truths that are told. But, doesn’t really surprise me. Who wants to admit these things?

Fa Chan

Thanks for the nice safe invitation that can’t take place. I live in the 21st century…and I like Harry Potter fiction as much as the next person…but I don’t live at Hogwarts…I live in the real world.

 

[latinmasslover]

Since “devil worshipers” tend to have no central “let’s get together and sacrifice a goat” organization, I will bow out of this “interesting” discussion of things that go bump in the night and parents use to frighten children with.

Yet you’re still here. Perfect example of how the Devil leads people away from the truth. I’ll pray for you.
Yeah, you may be right. There are no pedophiles either, or serial killers, anarchists, communists…pornography and drug dealers don’t exist either. Get real. Jesus warned about the Devil. Oh, wait, you don’t believe it the words of Jesus, do you? It’s really all a matter of personal opinion. I wish I could live in Fantasy land.

 

[Fa_Chan]

Yet you’re still here. Perfect example of how the Devil leads people away from the truth. I’ll pray for you.
Yeah, you may be right. There are no pedophiles either, or serial killers, anarchists, communists…pornography and drug dealers don’t exist either. Get real. Jesus warned about the Devil. Oh, wait, you don’t believe it the words of Jesus, do you? It’s really all a matter of personal opinion. I wish I could live in Fantasy land.

Hey, we actually agree on something Let’s work together to fight the darkness, shall we?

Peace…

Fa Chan

 

[Imryl]

I doubt you could convince me that you don’t work with demons like Satanists do.

I think you’re misreading my posts. I am a satanist in the strictest sense of the word. {Edit} By the way, where did this comment come from?

Whether you are Satanist or a “diabolist” the source is the same.

Catholics and Protestants are christian but they believe different things. Luciferians and Diabolists are satanists but they also believe different things. When I referred to muddying the water, I meant try not to lump them all together.

Even if you have never encountered them doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.

You’re right it can happen, but it is not necessary or ordinary for a satanist to do.

What i have written from my experiences as an exorcist is completely true.

/sigh. You really should leave those types of things to professionals, you’re liable to be entertaining delusional people.

I have news for you…there is a Book of Life in Heaven with people’s names on it that means a lot and there is a book used by cults that records their activities.

Record keeping doesn’t give it any religious significance. I’m just trying to point out that it doesn’t matter if you sign a book or not.

Satanism, diabolism, Luciferianism to me has the same essence, the same source. It’s all rebellion against God which has evil as its source. That’s my definition. Sorry if that differs from yours, but that’s the way I see it.

I was trying to define the different types of satanism actually, they are distinct. The OP was specifically referencing diabolists, those of us who actually worship the devil (Satan). I’m well aware that their source is the same, but they would disagree.

I’m amazed at the denial from so many Satanists, diabolists and pagans as to the truths that are told. But, doesn’t really surprise me. Who wants to admit these things?

What truths are those?

 

[Fa_Chan]

wow. how can you tell if someone is possessed by demons?

Father Malachi Martin has detailed exorcism in a couple of articles that are extremely close to what I have experienced.

Here: starharbor.com/fr_martin/exorcism.html

The eyes of the possessed will turn to a gray color. Their voice changes. Their personality changes. They may speak in Latin though the person has never studied that language. They have supernatural strength, etc.

And when they speak to you as if the possessed person is somebody else, such as “I will tear him apart if you try to make me leave”, etc, then that is certainly a sign. And there is no mistaking the feeling of evil. It’s a sickening feeling. It’s what Father Martin describes as “the presence”. You can feel it in your inmost being.

Peace…

Fa Chan

 

[Imryl]

Oh, I know what I’m talking about too. I regularly exorcise demons, usually 3 or more times a week from three people, sometimes more often. I tell them to be silent and they do. {…}

I tell them I will cast them out and they say “try it”.{…}

I had a higher class demon come through last night. I cast him out too. {…}

He does the work. He has the power and authority. I would have nothing without Him. All that I can do comes from Him. And I’m not even a priest.

Who wants to tell me what’s wrong with each of these statements? Dear, I think you’ve had the wool pulled over your eyes.

 

[Delraek]

I think you’re misreading my posts. I am a satanist in the strictest sense of the word. {Edit} By the way, where did this comment come from?

Catholics and Protestants are christian but they believe different things. Luciferians and Diabolists are satanists but they also believe different things. When I referred to muddying the water, I meant try not to lump them all together.

You’re right it can happen, but it is not necessary or ordinary for a satanist to do.

/sigh. You really should leave those types of things to professionals, you’re liable to be entertaining delusional people.

Record keeping doesn’t give it any religious significance. I’m just trying to point out that it doesn’t matter if you sign a book or not.

I was trying to define the different types of satanism actually, they are distinct. The OP was specifically referencing diabolists, those of us who actually worship the devil (Satan). I’m well aware that their source is the same, but they would disagree.

What truths are those?

Just out of curiosity, what do you “get” from worshipping the devil? Money, power, long life??

I listened to a story by a lady who was in a devil-worshipping group and she said that most of the members were prestigious individuals such as doctors, lawyers, politicians, etc. Guess we can kind of see what they’re getting!

 

[Goth_Catholic]

Goths are not always satanists, but can be.

Hahaha, did someone call me?

 

[Imryl]

Just out of curiosity, what do you “get” from worshipping the devil? Money, power, long life??

I listened to a story by a lady who was in a devil-worshipping group and she said that most of the members were prestigious individuals such as doctors, lawyers, politicians, etc. Guess we can kind of see what they’re getting!

Well - In my experience, people tend to ask for things that they can get with no ‘outside’ help at all. Someone may offer something up and ask for money, power, etc and get it… but chances are they got there just like everyone else. Dedication and hard work. However based on their beliefs they think the devil is the one who provided their good fortune.

In my humble opinion, the devil would much rather take what you have and give you absolutely nothing in return. Which is usually the case.

So… what do I get? Well, in short, I ask for nothing at all. For me it has never been about ‘getting’ things. I have always been a satanist. Hell, I prayed to the devil long before I ever knew their was a term for it.

 

[Kitty_Chan]

Fa Chan and et el

going back in the thread a bit to Bob Larson I thought I would post this link. Bob had been invited to the Vatican by Father Gabriele Amorth, the foremost exorcist in the Catholic church. Who also said that every Christian can and should battle the devil and cast out demons. I thought that was interesting, didnt know if you had read this or not.