Saying rosary during mass

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Hi, I haven’t read through all the posts here…but I just wanted to let you know I hold my rosary during Mass. I am saying the Divine Mercy chaplet whenever there is a break in the prayers. For example, it takes the lector so long to walk up to the podium and to start the First Reading, I can get in almost an entire decade of the chaplet. It helps me to always stay focused during Mass & in a state of continuous prayer.
 
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[1] Is saying the rosary in the rubrics of the mass? [2] Is saying a private prayer which is not speicifically included in the mass allowed during the EP? [3] I mean, why say the EP to all of the congretation when it doesn’t matter if it is said or not: or heard or not? Or if it doens’t matter who’s paying attention to it? I would assume that if it’s said out loud we need to pay attention to the words being spoken. I suppose if there is nothing barring people saying and only focusing on their own prayers during the EP there there would be no problem with the rosary being said then.
  1. Praying the Rosary is not in the rubrics of the Mass.
  2. Saying a private prayer is allowed during the Mass. Do you ever mentally think “May the Word of the Lord be in my mind, on my lips, and in my heart” as you make the triple-cross before the Gospel? That’s not in the books. Have you ever made a private prayer of adoration as the Host or Chalice is elevated? I pray “My Lord and my God”. That’s not in the books. Private prayers during the Mass are not forbidden.
  3. The Eucharistic Prayer is not being said to the congregation; perhaps this was just a slip of the fingers, but this is a common misconception that accompanies Mass celebrated facing the people with virtually everything audible to the congregation in the vernacular: they think the priest is talking to them! The Eucharistic Prayer is being prayed to God the Father and not to us. Yes, we should pay attention to it, but over time, that attention can be manifested differently as we become familiar with the words of the prayer. You make a false dichotomy by saying “people saying and only focusing on their own prayers during the EP.”
Until 1967, the Eucharistic Prayer (i.e. the Roman Canon) was said silently. That didn’t mean people weren’t paying attention or didn’t know what was going on.
But I can’t imagine people pulling out their beads during those brief moments either; simply because of the brevity of those moments.
I can imagine it, despite the brevity.
I never considered it to be “my own particular way”, I always considered it to be the Church’s way. Like I said before, it’s what I thought we were supposed to do. Pray along with the priest and respond in kind.
I meant you’re praying in your capacity, you’re praying as you are able. You’re not reciting the Eucharistic Prayer along with the priest, but whatever it is you are praying is somehow consonant with the Eucharistic Prayer, right?

I suppose my question is: what does it mean to “pray along with the priest”, especially if the priest is praying something silently (like some of the prayers during the Offertory, or his preparatory prayers prior to/during his reception Holy Communion)? During the Eucharistic Prayer, I usually try to pray for closer union with Christ so that I might be found acceptable to God the Father along with his Son. Every now and then, I’ll pray for the priest as he prays the Eucharistic Prayer, asking God to give him more graces and increase his personal sanctity.

I’ll admit, it’s not always easy to concentrate on praying because the priest is praying out loud and I feel a bit “conditioned” to focus on what I’m hearing rather than on the mystery itself. The Extraordinary Form of the Mass is quite different in that regard.
I don’t see how praying the rosary is praying along with the priest. It’s detachment from the prayer of the priest.
How is praying the Rosary detached from the prayers of the priest or from the Mass in general? It’s a meditation on the mysteries of Christ, which are themselves related to the Mass. Imagine, for example, a person praying a decade of the Rosary while meditating on the luminous mystery of the institution of the Eucharist during the Eucharistic Prayer; or a decade meditating on the Crucifixion, or on the Resurrection, or on the Nativity even.
 
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if you show me in some Church document that it is allowed to say the rosary during mass, I will accept it.
Pope Pius XII praised the use of devotional aids during the Mass in his 1947 encyclical on the liturgy Mediator Dei.
108. Many of the faithful are unable to use the Roman missal even though it is written in the vernacular; nor are all capable of understanding correctly the liturgical rites and formulas. So varied and diverse are men’s talents and characters that it is impossible for all to be moved and attracted to the same extent by community prayers, hymns and liturgical services. Moreover, the needs and inclinations of all are not the same, nor are they always constant in the same individual. Who, then, would say, on account of such a prejudice, that all these Christians cannot participate in the Mass nor share its fruits? On the contrary, they can adopt some other method which proves easier for certain people; for instance, they can lovingly meditate on the mysteries of Jesus Christ or perform other exercises of piety or recite prayers which, though they differ from the sacred rites, are still essentially in harmony with them.
This was repeated in 1958 by the Sacred Congregation for Rites in their instruction De Musica Sacra:
29. Those who use a small missal, suitable to their own understanding, and pray with priest in the very words of the Church, are worthy of special praise. But all are not equally capable of correctly understanding the rites, and liturgical formulas; nor does everyone possess the same spiritual needs; nor do these needs remain constant in the same individual. Therefore, these people may find a more suitable or easier method of participation in the Mass when “they meditate devoutly on the mysteries of Jesus Christ, or perform other devotional exercises, and offer prayers which, though different in form from those of the sacred rites, are in essential harmony with them.”
Given that the liturgy has been reformed in such a way that more people should be able to participate in the responses and gestures, I would imagine less people would be saying private prayers or doing devotions as a substitute for that particular sort of participation. In other words, I don’t think there’s any reason for a person to neglect saying “And also with you” or “Thanks be to God” because they’re doing their own thing.

But if a person is drawn to a deeper internal participation in the Mass by praying the Rosary or some other devotional prayer in addition to their proper external participation, good for them! Participation in the liturgy is more than just “say this” or “do that”. Comprehension is a major factor – that’s why Vatican II stressed the need for liturgical catechesis of the faithful alongside liturgical reform – but it is often overlooked.
Lastly, is the mass supposed to be our own personal private prayer time? You alluded to that in your post. I’m pretty sure we are supposed to be united as the body of Christ during participation of the mass.
I didn’t say it’s our own personal private prayer time, but it’s not robotic prayer time either! There’s a middle ground.

I would suggest reading paragraphs 80-104 of Pope Pius XII’s encyclical on the liturgy, Mediator Dei. It’s a lengthy excerpt, yes, but it’s been very helpful to me for understanding how to cultivate a liturgical, sacrificial, prayerful spirituality at Mass.
 
Me personally, when i have to attend a mass that doesnt quite sit with me well, saying the rosary during the mass brings me peace about being there.
Focusing on the Mass (ANY valid Mass) and praying for the grace to overcome and not be effected by those things that don’t quite sit well with you would bring you even greater peace. Yes I’m sure you feel it’s the fault of the Catholic Church/parish/celebrant/select laity/etc. that certain Masses do not sit well with you. Nevertheless I would suggest that truly focusing in on the Mass and not on a diversion (even the Rosary) would eventually provide you with enough of God’s grace to be at far greater peace – and prepared to be far better nourished…
 
Focusing on the Mass (ANY valid Mass) and praying for the grace to overcome and not be effected by those things that don’t quite sit well with you would bring you even greater peace.
How do you know that praying the Rosary isn’t helping that person concentrate on the mystery of the Mass (rather than the external distractions like lay homilies, game show priests, saccharine or heretical hymns, etc.)? Perhaps the person is receiving grace through praying the Rosary at Mass.
 
I say leave the lady alone. We have no idea why she prays the Rosary during Mass and I don’t think anyone has a right to say she should or should not be praying the Rosary. If we are noticing these things then maybe we are not doing what we are supposed to be doing. I find it funny when people say, " I just say a prayer for them so that they will understand the Mass and participate more fully" when these people are probably praying fervently for you that you will focus more on the Mass and less on them.

Apology in advance for the snootiness, but I’m getting really tired of people regulating how people (who are not causing any kind of scene) at Mass should behave.
I believe the Blessed Virgin Mother of God would say, no rosary during mass. If you have to choose between rosary and going to mass (weekday) I believe she would say go to mass.
 
it is simply impossible for any person to judge the interior disposition, or “full active participation” in the Mass of another person on the basis of that individual’s demeanor, actions, facial expression or any other outward aspect. Please see the other thread on Mass participation.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=338857

Our task is to focus entirely on Christ’s saving action on the altar, not on second guessing the minor actions and gestures of anyone else in the Church. If the preaching or any other aspect of parish life in your parish is a threat to your faith, go elsewhere, but don’t fall into the trap of judging anyone else.
I believe the Blessed Mother would say if you can go to mass go and no rosary til afterwards, I believe Our Lady is present (completely present) at the mass and wants us to be also.
 
it is simply impossible for any person to judge the interior disposition, or “full active participation” in the Mass of another person on the basis of that individual’s demeanor, actions, facial expression or any other outward aspect. Please see the other thread on Mass participation.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=338857

Our task is to focus entirely on Christ’s saving action on the altar, not on second guessing the minor actions and gestures of anyone else in the Church. If the preaching or any other aspect of parish life in your parish is a threat to your faith, go elsewhere, but don’t fall into the trap of judging anyone else.
I believe it is equally important not to judge people in forum discussions and that all discussions should be done as charitable manner as possible. As we have no idea as you say what the other person is going through, their disposition, all can be suggested without being accusitory.
 
That’s what I percieve myself as doing - praying along with the priest. Isn’t that what we are supposed to do at mass? Pray along with the priest, and respond vocally when asked? Am I wrong in thinking that?
That’s how I believe we are to participate, the best we can. Same as JPII said…Pray as you can. It’s a journey, we will grow in the mass and experience it differently as we progress or regress, but until we get in heaven likely as I have heard Scott Hahn say when we realize we were in heaven during the mass.
 
Nonsense. The Rosary was used to count the number of prayers, originally 150 Our Fathers to match the 150 Psalms.

People were never beaten for praying. Most likely Reformation-era Protestant propaganda.

God Bless
I wouldn’t call it “nonsense” odd or unlikely but not impossible in addition to the main original intention the poor man psalter.
 
I saw an interesting thing during mass yesterday, something other forumites have seen and commented on in the past; a woman was holding her rosary and apparently saying (to herself) the rosary during mass. I didn’t notice when she started, but she had finished about halfway through the Eucharistic prayer, took the case out of her purse and put it away.

The only reason I can think of that she prayed the Rosary through the mass is that she started before mass and didn’t have time to finish. However, there’s no way she could have hoped to finish before mass started, since it took her all 2/3 of the way through mass to finish i.e. if that was the explanation, she would have had to start about 40 or so minutes earlier that she did. I guess it looked more to me like she was purposefully saying the rosary during mass rather than getting caught short having intended to say and complete the rosary before mass began.

I don’t mean to be critical, but I just wondered why anyone would distract themself from mass by saying the rosary. It wasn’t distracting to anyone else, as far as I know, it didn’t distract me, but such a thing is curious to me as to why someone would do that.

To me, mass would distract from saying the rosary and the rosary would distract from the mass. 🤷
Your last line hit the nail on the head.

Catholics are forbidden from praying the Rosary during the Mass. Why? Because it’s not part of the Mass! It’s that simple.

Padre Pio once remarked, if you want to celebrate the Mass piously, think of Mary at the foot of the Cross. What he meant was, we must imitate Mary’s devotion to Jesus.
 
My grandmother always said the rosary during Mass. It wasn’t because she didn’t know Latin. She was born in Italy and still spoke mostly Italian. The Latin was almost second nature to my grandparents, my mother and her siblings. My aunt held the rosary but didn’t say it. She held that rosary about half of her life. If she was sitting alone watching TV she’d have that rosary in her hands. When she was in the hospital and later a nursing home, the rosary was in her hands. I think some women from those generations used the rosary for comfort and security even when they weren’t praying. I can remember the mother of one of my friends who always had a rosary either in her hands or in her pocket. She’d stir something at the stove, sit down and the table and take out her rosary. Most of the Catholic women I knew (which would be almost all the women I knew) felt a very close kinship with Our Lady, and that may have helped make the connection more apparent on a human level.

I’m in my late 50s – creeping up on 59 – but I’m not an old lady holding a rosary at Mass. So let’s watch that old lady stuff.
50 yr and driving rosary roadster and rosary in hand, or next to me, in pocket or purse and rosary in hand all night in bed. It’s one of those returning “Fads”?
 
Me personally, when i have to attend a mass that doesnt quite sit with me well, saying the rosary during the mass brings me peace about being there.
To realize and imagine Jesus behind and wrapped around the priest helps to remember no matter the priest-Jesus in persona
 
50 yr and driving rosary roadster and rosary in hand, or next to me, in pocket or purse and rosary in hand all night in bed. It’s one of those returning “Fads”?
Wonder if you could clarify this for me. Particularly the “fads” portion.
 
I suppose my question is: what does it mean to “pray along with the priest”,

AMEN…IT IS SO …being in constant agreement
 
focusing on the mass (any valid mass) and praying for the grace to overcome and not be effected by those things that don’t quite sit well with you would bring you even greater peace. Yes i’m sure you feel it’s the fault of the catholic church/parish/celebrant/select laity/etc. That certain masses do not sit well with you. Nevertheless i would suggest that truly focusing in on the mass and not on a diversion (even the rosary) would eventually provide you with enough of god’s grace to be at far greater peace – and prepared to be far better nourished…
i agree
 
As a person (30+) who prays the rosary during Mass I would like to make one comment. (I apply this statement only to myself). The rosary is about the journey of Our Lord to one point in His life the institution of the Eucharist. So when I pray the rosary I am totally aware of the real reason we are attending Mass - to remember the sacrifice of the Lord’s love for me. So as I pray the rosary I am totally united to the action of the priest on the altar and united to the Lord Himself.

I don’t see that it should be a choice between the rosary or Mass. It is possible to prayerfully do both at the same time. 🙂
 
I believe the Blessed Virgin Mother of God would say, no rosary during mass. If you have to choose between rosary and going to mass (weekday) I believe she would say go to mass.
No one is speaking of choosing between the Mass and the Rosary. And I don’t know the Blessed Virgin well enough to know if she would say “don’t pray the Rosary during Mass” or not.
I believe Our Lady is present (completely present) at the mass and wants us to be also.
The question, then, is whether praying the Rosary during the Mass necessarily makes a person “less present.”
 
no one is speaking of choosing between the mass and the rosary. And i don’t know the blessed virgin well enough to know if she would say “don’t pray the rosary during mass” or not.

The question, then, is whether praying the rosary during the mass necessarily makes a person “less present.”
and the answer is?
 
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