Saying rosary during mass

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I have to agree, this is a straw man you’ve conjured up on your own that has no place in this discussion. Maybe start a new thread about it?
Not a strawman. While it’s still my opinion that on this matter, within this forum people ignore what the Church (and rational thought) teach us in order to accept something old, something archaic – something the Church tells us not to do. No, NOT the Rosary or the Mass but the practice of praying the Rosary DURING the Mass.
 
I think the age of the woman would be helpful. Older people, those who were attending Mass when it was in Latin, got use to saying the rosary during Mass because they didn’t understand Latin. I believe they felt they were lost and needed something to do until communion. When the language was changed, these people continued out of habit to pray the rosary during Mass. That’s my understanding.
That’s the #1 myth in regards to praying the Rosary during Mass. Those little old ladies know more than we give them credit for.

It’s all in the intention and meditations. For example, if one were to pray the Rosary for an end to abortion during Mass, that may be questionable, because it would take one’s thoughts away from the Liturgy itself.

But praying the Rosary during Mass with suitable intentions and meditation can be quite fitting. And there are moments during the Mass that praying a decade can work well. For example, one could pray the Sorrowful Mysteries during Communion, while in line, and after returning to the pew.

Here are some meditations on the Sorrowfurl Mysteries. They are from The Eucharistic Rosary

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Me personally, when i have to attend a mass that doesnt quite sit with me well, saying the rosary during the mass brings me peace about being there.
I know the feeling. Sometimes we see things that demand Reparation. 😉
 
Not a strawman. While it’s still my opinion that on this matter, within this forum people ignore what the Church (and rational thought) teach us in order to accept something old, something archaic – something the Church tells us not to do. No, NOT the Rosary or the Mass but the practice of praying the Rosary DURING the Mass.
Show me a Church Document that tells us not to pray the Rosary during Mass.

And rational thought ? Rationalism is your support for your opinion ? :ehh:

Have you ever read THE SYLLABUS OF ERRORS CONDEMNED BY PIUS IX ?
 
K-McD, your reasoning behind why a woman would be saying the Rosary during Mass is just absolutely ridiculous and an assumption of what you thought happened during the Latin Mass.:rolleyes:

I am of an age when the Mass was said in Latin and it is not true that we were lost and not knowing what was being said.

Most people used a Missal and we most certainly knew what was being said because the Missal had English on one side of the page and Latin on the other.

I don’t know why this woman would have been saying the Rosary during Mass; I have seen people doing many irreverant things during Mass, but let us not blame her age.:ehh:

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ya think ? 😉
 
It may have seemed that way to you, but that was not my intent. Would you mind pointing out to me what I took out of context? Do you have examples?

Why would I be so dishonest?! I don’t appreciate the ad hominem. I quote the amount I do for three reasons: 1) to keep the character count down, 2) because it’s against forum policy to over-quote, and 3) to give the author an idea of what I’m replying to specifically.
Sorry japhy, but you did that very thing to me when you quoted me saying that I know what the priest says at the EP. You went on to say how nice it was that I knew everything he said and should help everyone else understand in a sarcastic tone, yet you didn’t quote the rest of what I said. Also, you’ve taken other quotes out of context and not the way I meant them either. But the one that bothered me most was the above mentioned one because I deliberately added a sentence or two after it to clarify what I meant, specifically so you wouldn’t think I was a know it all as far as knowing what the priest said. And you went ahead and made that comment anyway. I realy didn’t appreciate that.
 
… when you quoted me saying that I know what the priest says at the EP. You went on to say how nice it was that I knew everything he said and should help everyone else understand in a sarcastic tone, yet you didn’t quote the rest of what I said.
When I said “It’s great that you understand what is being said at Mass! Hopefully you can help others to do so as well.” (post 70) I was not being sarcastic. I apologize that it came off that way. I meant what I said, because there are people who understand what’s being said and what’s being done at Mass today… and they are people who don’t understand, and they need to be taught! Those of us who understand the Mass should do what we can to assist our fellow Catholics in this matter.

I didn’t quote your next sentence – “I might not understand why he’s saying it that specific way or in that specific order, but if you listen to him, you generally get the gist of what he’s trying to do.” – but I don’t see why I should have. I wasn’t trying to give the impression you were a know-it-all.
Also, you’ve taken other quotes out of context and not the way I meant them either.
I repeat my request for examples. You’ve provided one.
But the one that bothered me most was the above mentioned one because I deliberately added a sentence or two after it to clarify what I meant, specifically so you wouldn’t think I was a know it all as far as knowing what the priest said.
That was not at all my intent.
 
Sorry japhy, but you did that very thing to me when you quoted me saying that I know what the priest says at the EP. You went on to say how nice it was that I knew everything he said and should help everyone else understand in a sarcastic tone, yet you didn’t quote the rest of what I said. Also, you’ve taken other quotes out of context and not the way I meant them either. But the one that bothered me most was the above mentioned one because I deliberately added a sentence or two after it to clarify what I meant, specifically so you wouldn’t think I was a know it all as far as knowing what the priest said. And you went ahead and made that comment anyway. I realy didn’t appreciate that.
Honestly Snerticus, just as an observer of y’alls conversation, I don’t think that was his intent at all.
 
That’s the #1 myth in regards to praying the Rosary during Mass. Those little old ladies know more than we give them credit for.

It’s all in the intention and meditations. For example, if one were to pray the Rosary for an end to abortion during Mass, that may be questionable, because it would take one’s thoughts away from the Liturgy itself.

But praying the Rosary during Mass with suitable intentions and meditation can be quite fitting. And there are moments during the Mass that praying a decade can work well. For example, one could pray the Sorrowful Mysteries during Communion, while in line, and after returning to the pew.

Here are some meditations on the Sorrowfurl Mysteries. They are from The Eucharistic Rosary
I don’t think “those little old ladies” know more than the popes (Paul VI who said it was a mistake to pray the rosary during the Mass and Pope John Paul II who said that Pope Paul VI spoke very clearly on this issue) and/or the Congregation For Divine Worship and Discipline of the Sacraments. While it may be true that the practice has not been forbidden or mandated, there is reason to listen to their guidance .

As far as praying the Eucharistic Rosary, I believe this is a very powerful way of praying the Rosary. And I pray my rosary in union with the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass being offered throughout the world throught all time but not during the Mass.
 
Me personally, when i have to attend a mass that doesnt quite sit with me well, saying the rosary during the mass brings me peace about being there.
I have to admit, if I were to ever attend a Mass out of town that was like some of those posted on YouTube (clown Mass or Holloween Mass) I’d probably be praying my rosary, too.
 
I don’t think “those little old ladies” know more than the popes (Paul VI who said it was a mistake to pray the rosary during the Mass and Pope John Paul II who said that Pope Paul VI spoke very clearly on this issue) and/or the Congregation For Divine Worship and Discipline of the Sacraments. While it may be true that the practice has not been forbidden or mandated, there is reason to listen to their guidance .

As far as praying the Eucharistic Rosary, I believe this is a very powerful way of praying the Rosary. And I pray my rosary in union with the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass being offered throughout the world throught all time but not during the Mass.
Quotes with links would help. I’m sure their concern was with those who focus on intentions which draw their focus away from the Liturgy. In that case I’d agree.

Depends on the Mass too. The EF offers more occasion to work the Rosary in. For example, during the incensing of the Altar.

I never said those older women knew more than the popes. You are taking my post entirely out of context. Please reread the post I responded to, and then my reply.
 
Quotes with links would help. I’m sure their concern was with those who focus on intentions which draw their focus away from the Liturgy. In that case I’d agree.
I have provided links in this thread. See posts #'s 87, 95, and 104
 
Quotes with links would help. I’m sure their concern was with those who focus on intentions which draw their focus away from the Liturgy. In that case I’d agree.

Depends on the Mass too. The EF offers more occasion to work the Rosary in. For example, during the incensing of the Altar.

I never said those older women knew more than the popes. You are taking my post entirely out of context. Please reread the post I responded to, and then my reply.
And I didn’t say that you said that those old ladies knew more than the popes.
 
I have to admit, if I were to ever attend a Mass out of town that was like some of those posted on YouTube (clown Mass or Holloween Mass) I’d probably be praying my rosary, too.
Sadly though that “argument” is the default of some extremists.

Take for instance this discussion. You have provided documentation from the Church that says not to pray the Rosary during the Mass. It took a little while but one backed into a corner the “clown Mass or Holloween Mass” defense was finally brought out.

When you have nothing substantive, rely on hyperbole and emotion. That is so darned predictable and old on these forums.

I guess I should start using the “10 minute whiz/skipped prayers/mumbly-bumbly Mass” argument in response?
 
Sadly though that “argument” is the default of some extremists.

Take for instance this discussion. You have provided documentation from the Church that says not to pray the Rosary during the Mass. It took a little while but one backed into a corner the “clown Mass or Holloween Mass” defense was finally brought out.

When you have nothing substantive, rely on hyperbole and emotion. That is so darned predictable and old on these forums.

I guess I should start using the “10 minute whiz/skipped prayers/mumbly-bumbly Mass” argument in response?
Actually, I think zab was the one who brought out the “clown Mass or Halloween Mass”, unless I missed another quote. No one on this thread that I saw, including zab, was actually using it as a defense. So, I don’t know where this comes into the equation.
 
I am familiar with the book on the Eucharistic Rosary and I do not think that book advocates the praying of the Rosary during the Mass.

I believe the Eucharistic Rosary is to prayed during the Exposition of the Blessed Sacrament and a Holy Hour.

They are beautiful prayers though.:harp:

:blessyou:
 
I am familiar with the book on the Eucharistic Rosary and I do not think that book advocates the praying of the Rosary during the Mass.

I believe the Eucharistic Rosary is to prayed during the Exposition of the Blessed Sacrament and a Holy Hour.

They are beautiful prayers though.:harp:

:blessyou:
Hi mullenpm,
What book are you thinking of ? Does it have the same meditations ? Those I posted are from Fr F.X.Lasance’s “With God”. It was published in 1911.

Fr Lasance had this to say before presenting the Eucharistic Rosary meditations in his book…



As you can see, it lends support to what you said, that the Eucharistic Rosary is suitable for adoration, but he also mentions they are suitable for Mass.

The problem is, someone who has never assisted the Traditional Latin Mass looks at the Rosary as applied to the Ordinary Form. With all of the Audible participation of those in the pew that we have during the OF, then it does seem somewhat surprising or out of place to pray the Rosary during Mass. Indeed it would be tough to pray the entire 15 decade Eucharistic Rosary in a reverent manner *during * a 25 minute weekday OF Mass.

But, I’d like to come back to what you said about Adoration. The Eucharistic Rosary is indeed fitting in regard to Adoration. That said, should our Adoration before receiving Communion, or even a Spiritual Communion, end with the conclusion of the words
" Behold the lamb of God, behold Him Who taketh away the sins of the world." ?

It shouldn’t. And though the priest lowers the Host from our sight, we can remain in adoration. We know we have placed ourselves before the Real Presence. Our own individual way of Adoration, and preparation to receive, once we begin the Communion of the Faithful , is free of rubric or a stated/specific mental prayer. We are on our own at that point.

to all…

That said, can any Catholic , …clergy, laity, religious, or dare I say, Pope, … say that praying a decade of the Eucharistic Rosary from the time we begin receiving, and up till the Ablutions begin, does not build Faith in the Real Presence in the individual who prays it ?

Furthermore, it cannot be said by any Catholic, that there exists a personal, traditional, or suggested method of Adoration and preparation, or prayer, that surpasses the Eucharistic Rosary in it’s ability to build Faith and understanding of what happens on the Altar.

Now, surely there are very many Saints in Heaven who never prayed the Eucharistic Rosary. I’d guess most did not. And surely no Catholic can say an individual’s personal method of pious and reverent Adoration, and preparation to receive, does not build Faith and understanding of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

I hope we can agree at this point, that there are indeed moments during the Mass that we can convey our piety in our own way, and at the same time in unity with our brothers and sisters in Christ’s Holy Name.

So what about Pope Paul VI, GRHS ? Didn’t he say praying The Rosary during Mass was a mistake ? Yes he did. But the good Pope may have been more concerned with the importance of establishing the concept of active participation. The Mass he was certainly referring to was his own. Praying an entire 15 decade Rosary of any sort in a pious and reverent manner during the Pauline Rite is indeed impeded by virtue of the time and “pace” of the Liturgy. I’ll add that this… “active participation” might be better described as audible participation. Never was there a lack of participation by the faithful in the first place. But that’s another myth for another thread.

One can’t assume that “praying the Rosary during Mass” literally means praying all 15 decades start to finish, while ignoring the prayers of Holy Mass. With due respect to H.H. Paul VI, and the reason he said it, that is a very liberal assumption.
 
And I didn’t say that you said that those old ladies knew more than the popes.
I was just clarifying what I meant. You just seemed to miss my point in saying the little old ladies knew more than we give them credit for.

Moving from the ladies to the words of the Pope in the same sentence, kind of made them the target of those words themselves. And totally took my point in saying we were making assumptions out of the equation. I know that wasn’t your intention, but I got huffy.

Mea culpa.

As far as what Paul VI said, please see my comments in the post above this one. We must agree the Mass he had in mind was his and the more audible participation.
 
I have to admit, if I were to ever attend a Mass out of town that was like some of those posted on YouTube (clown Mass or Holloween Mass) I’d probably be praying my rosary, too.
Sadly though that “argument” is the default of some extremists.
OhMalley, I hate to keep pestering you, but offering Reparation for these sacrilegious events is not extreme. It is in fact the practice of Catholicism.
I guess I should start using the “10 minute whiz/skipped prayers/mumbly-bumbly Mass” argument in response?
OK, while we are at it, let’s have a very Holy and obedient priest bust that myth. He even mentions the "10 minute mark " 😉
I began serving the “old Mass” as an altar boy in 1927. I am now 88 years old, 62 years as a priest. As a lad, knowing the perfect recitations of all the Latin Mass responses, I dealt with priests of every age and devotion and I do not recall any who deliberately mumbled their prayers. The churches were not air-conditioned in those days and in the hot summer days it was not uncommon to omit the sermon; Low Mass might last for only 20 minutes, and Communions were much fewer in those days. Now with the Novus Ordo, I have attended Mass in 10 minutes. A possible scandal.
The only scandal I can recall in the old days was people sleeping during the sermon. Nobody complained about the Eucharistic fast from midnight; nobody complained about Communion on the tongue or about the Latin. In fact, we were proud of the Latin we knew. Non-Catholics marveled at the piety and the reverence of the congregation and the head-coverings of the women. Those were the glory days of the Church when our Catholic faith was a family thing, a treasure we prized. Our faith was so much a part of our life that it colored our moods, shaped our social activities, influenced our style of dress, and flavored our conversation. How many families can make the same claim today?
Last Sunday I experienced what perhaps was the greatest joy of my priesthood. I could scarcely contain myself. Indeed, my cup runneth over. I celebrated the Tridentine Latin Mass with a congregation of two hundred people. It was like a repetition of my First Holy Mass 56 years ago. It was a Missa Cantata — those sacred Gregorian melodies so fitting for worship: the solemn Trinity Preface, the solemn Pater Noster, the Holy Gospel, and the Orations.
My daily vernacular Mass has been a joy in my life, but there was always something about this Tridentine Latin Mass that went beyond all telling. I’ve found something that I had lost some 35 years ago. All those years my heart ached for the Latin Mass that I had lost, always hoping that some day, please God, I would find it. Last Sunday I found it. And like the widow of the Gospel who found her lost coin and who called in her neighbors to rejoice with her, now I was the one who wanted to call in the whole world to share in my joy. It was like being away from home all these years and always hoping that some day the permission for me would arrive to return home and share again with my dear ones the joys of long ago. It was home sweet home again. My joy knows no bounds.
My humble and ineffable thanks to our good Holy Father, Pope John Paul II, the Good Shepherd who went out looking for all those abandoned sheep to lead us back home again — to Rome, sweet home.
Would I go back to the new Mass? No way!
Rev. Charles
Darned extremists 😛
 
I have to admit, if I were to ever attend a Mass out of town that was like some of those posted on YouTube (clown Mass or Holloween Mass) I’d probably be praying my rosary, too.
Sadly though that “argument” is the default of some extremists.
Extreme ? Offering Reparation for sacrilegious events is the practice of Catholicism.
 
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