Scandal exposes Islam's weakness

[Reuben_J]

Oh, he rotted a long time ago. he is buried (I can’t remember) either in Mecca or Medina. Aisha is buried near to him. I think that I remembered that correctly.

There are no miracles associated with mohammed and that is one of the 10 reasons why mohammed is no prophet. Another reason being that instead of complimenting the prior messages of the Bible - he changed and/or distorted them. Just as he had to redefine sin because he broke most of the 10 commandments, and as he told his followers to do, he also changed the essence of the messages. mohammed brought hate and chaos.

There is a thread here wondering whether Mohammad could be in purgatory. Of course that is merely supossition but considering the many commandments he broke publicly, chances may be not too good for him.

Just curious, what are the 10 reasons that may be?

BTW, rumours have it that he suffered an ugly death, like being poisoned or something. Certainly he was not being matyred since he was at the height of his earthly military victory. But what a peculiar ending for someone who was supposed to be a prophet!

 

[Muslim_Woman]

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Salaam/peace

… he suffered an ugly death, like being poisoned or something. Certainly he was not being matyred !

why not ? A Jewish woman invited him with companions & gave him food mixed with poison. Prophet (p) survived at that time but felt the pain/ suffered from that poison later before his death . Thus he is surely a martyr.

BTW , what’s the definition of an ugly death ? Don’t Christians believe that Jesus (p) died on the cross ? Regarding a verse in OT , a cursed person die like that. Another Prophet was beheaded , is it a beautiful death to you ?

 

[R_not]

There is a thread here wondering whether Mohammad could be in purgatory. Of course that is merely supossition but considering the many commandments he broke publicly, chances may be not too good for him.

Just curious, what are the 10 reasons that may be?

BTW, rumours have it that he suffered an ugly death, like being poisoned or something. Certainly he was not being matyred since he was at the height of his earthly military victory. But what a peculiar ending for someone who was supposed to be a prophet!

Matthew 7:15-20
Deuteronomy 18:21-22
Deuteronomy 13:1-4

mohammed showed no signs from God other than ‘I say I am a prophet and so that means I am a prophet - and allah is god and whatever I say that allah says - that means you have to follow…’

And no prophet will bring a message that conflicts with the previous messages - well, we all know that mohammed’s whole premise was a conflict of the Bible and that is why he had to say that WE were the ones that rewrote it - and NO MUSLIM HAS YET PROVEN THAT THE BIBLE WAS CORRUPT BECAUSE THEY CANNOT. They only have the texts from an illiterate pagan.

mohammed wasn’t even consistent with his own rants! That is why there are so many abrogated surahs!

In conflict with the previous messages of the Bible is the premise that Jesus is not God. Well, that right there debunks the myth that mohammed was a prophet.

mohammed was not a prophet because he would change his mind to suit his needs at the time. (especially his sexual, murderous, and greedy needs!)

There is no call for muslims to reach beyond the basest of human cravings - sex, lust, greed, murder, lying, etc. Look at mohammed’s idea of heaven - just one big orgy of raping virgins! Basically, islam’s only appeal is to man’s lower nature not to a higher nature.

What is the koran/islam’s teachings? To kill, to enslave, to take as many woman as one can (enslavement, booty), to steal, to lie, to break peace treaties, only recognize peace as either death, conversion or subjugation) while the previous message of the Bible was to love and forgive thy enemy. to obey the 10 Commandments, or to love God, love thyself and thy neighbor. NOT to kill them!

and the koran was thought up AFTER the revelation was completed. In fact, if you go back to Matthew 7:15-20 you will read the warning of such charlatans as mohammed.

mohammed was all about sin, he encouraged his followers to sin and he made his heaven into one big sinful orgy of rape and lust. Where even little boys - children - are for the lust of the muslim males.

Read the rest of the reasons

 

[Sam_777]

And no prophet will bring a message that conflicts with the previous messages

I agree with you. :aok:

NO MUSLIM HAS YET PROVEN THAT THE BIBLE WAS CORRUPT BECAUSE THEY CANNOT.

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[Reuben_J]

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Salaam/peace

why not ? A Jewish woman invited him with companions & gave him food mixed with poison. Prophet (p) survived at that time but felt the pain/ suffered from that poison later before his death . Thus he is surely a martyr.

BTW , what’s the definition of an ugly death ? Don’t Christians believe that Jesus (p) died on the cross ? Regarding a verse in OT , a cursed person die like that. Another Prophet was beheaded , is it a beautiful death to you ?

Was Mohammad being prophecized that he would be poisoned? And if it is so, what would be the purpose for that?

Jesus died on the cross so that those who believe may be saved from sins. It was prophecized and his death was a sacrifice to atone for the sins of the world. And he rose again from the dead.

So what is Mohammad being poisoned signifies? If he was truly a prophet surely there would be something special about his death. Some earlier prophets before him had been taken up to heaven bodily and some had been assumed body, mind and spirit. And their bodies would not corrupt.

If there is no signifance on Mohammad death, I think it is an ugly death. So much for the Muslims belief that Allah will protect his prophets but Mohammad died a death by being poisoned just like some pests being eradicated in our backyards.

 

[Reuben_J]

Don't Christians  believe  that  Jesus (p) died on the cross ? Regarding a verse in OT , a cursed person die like that. Another Prophet was beheaded  , is it a beautiful death to you ?

Jesus willingly accepted his death on the cross because it was his mission. He knew what it entails.

John was beheaded because he stood for righteousness. In essence he was matryed.

Mohammad died of being poisoned after having a delicous meal. I think he got it coming after all the women he raped and sexed. That can hardly be a mark of a prophet.

 

[rstegeman]

In the name of entertainment , what the Hollywood & Bollywood ( Bombay movie Industry ) are doing is a major sin. We must not watch anything that may lead / provoke us to do immoral acts. English , Hindu movies / tv serials are very popular all over the world. They glorify extra-marital affairs , having love childs etc. Sadly few years back , I started watching English serial like Bold & Beautiful . I always hold the remote control so that I can change the channel to avoid watching kiss scenes & some other staff , sometimes scene started with kiss & unwillingly I watched those for 2/3 seconds & felt guilty. I was very fond of Hindi serials also. Thanks God. Allah made me asked myself why on earth I am watching these serials that go against my belief , that glorify all the bad things in the name of love.

I hope , in all countries specially in the Muslim majority countries , Govt. will do something about telecasting those movies / serials that is surely a tool of Satan to mislead people from the path of God.

Many people are becoming shameless now a days .
I wonder if anybody has noticed this horrific matter ?

I must say that I mostly agree with what you say here. Our media has steadily gotten worse and worse as the years go by. The things that are on our soap operas today would have been seen as an abomination back in the 50’s. People like to think that it doesn’t really affect us, but as the media gradually pushes the bounds of decency, there is an initial outrage, but that goes away and acceptance comes shortly after that. As that happens over years and years, behavior that was once though unfathomable is now commonplace and accepted. Just look at the behavior of our young people. The “Girls Gone Wild” series of videos for example…those are real people. You might think that type of activity is far removed from normal society, but I’m here to tell you it isn’t. I know this first hand and it’s just sad. there seems to be no shame in this world anymore.

 

[Valke2]

I must say that I mostly agree with what you say here. Our media has steadily gotten worse and worse as the years go by. The things that are on our soap operas today would have been seen as an abomination back in the 50’s. People like to think that it doesn’t really affect us, but as the media gradually pushes the bounds of decency, there is an initial outrage, but that goes away and acceptance comes shortly after that. As that happens over years and years, behavior that was once though unfathomable is now commonplace and accepted. Just look at the behavior of our young people. The “Girls Gone Wild” series of videos for example…those are real people. You might think that type of activity is far removed from normal society, but I’m here to tell you it isn’t. I know this first hand and it’s just sad. there seems to be no shame in this world anymore.

But the things that would have been on arab soap operas/television shows in the 50’s are seen as an abomination today. That’s a big difference.

 

[GemmaRose]

Matthew 7:15-20
Deuteronomy 18:21-22
Deuteronomy 13:1-4

mohammed showed no signs from God other than ‘I say I am a prophet and so that means I am a prophet - and allah is god and whatever I say that allah says - that means you have to follow…’

And no prophet will bring a message that conflicts with the previous messages - well, we all know that mohammed’s whole premise was a conflict of the Bible and that is why he had to say that WE were the ones that rewrote it - and NO MUSLIM HAS YET PROVEN THAT THE BIBLE WAS CORRUPT BECAUSE THEY CANNOT. They only have the texts from an illiterate pagan.

mohammed wasn’t even consistent with his own rants! That is why there are so many abrogated surahs!

In conflict with the previous messages of the Bible is the premise that Jesus is not God. Well, that right there debunks the myth that mohammed was a prophet.

mohammed was not a prophet because he would change his mind to suit his needs at the time. (especially his sexual, murderous, and greedy needs!)

There is no call for muslims to reach beyond the basest of human cravings - sex, lust, greed, murder, lying, etc. Look at mohammed’s idea of heaven - just one big orgy of raping virgins! Basically, islam’s only appeal is to man’s lower nature not to a higher nature.

What is the koran/islam’s teachings? To kill, to enslave, to take as many woman as one can (enslavement, booty), to steal, to lie, to break peace treaties, only recognize peace as either death, conversion or subjugation) while the previous message of the Bible was to love and forgive thy enemy. to obey the 10 Commandments, or to love God, love thyself and thy neighbor. NOT to kill them!

and the koran was thought up AFTER the revelation was completed. In fact, if you go back to Matthew 7:15-20 you will read the warning of such charlatans as mohammed.

mohammed was all about sin, he encouraged his followers to sin and he made his heaven into one big sinful orgy of rape and lust. Where even little boys - children - are for the lust of the muslim males.

Read the rest of the reasons

 

[inJESUS]

After all, the person in question is a Gnostic. Gnostics’ ego loves to convince them they have knowledge (gnosis) that others do not have, and they love the illusion and appearance and meterial v/s spiritual topics. Just as it appeared that Jesus was crucified to previous Gnostics of Muhammad’s time and place, to this Gnostic it appeared that Muhammad lived.

 

[Reuben_J]

BTW , what’s the definition of an ugly death ? Don’t Christians believe that Jesus (p) died on the cross ? Regarding a verse in OT , a cursed person die like that. Another Prophet was beheaded , is it a beautiful death to you ?

Since you asked … I don’t have a definition of an ugly death, just some ideas. I heard it among Muslim friends that if one is too sinful on earth, he will die an ugly death that even the earth will not accept his body. Of course I don’t believe this but this is what I am told. You can correct me, if at all this is true.

Mohammad being poisoned can fall into this category. Have you ever seen a poisoned corpse? Even before the maggots get to it, it would be badly deteriorated that it will turn blue and black in no time. Blood and fluid would oozed out from its’ body orifices and the stench is horrible. You cannot keep a poisoned corpse for too long and it must be buried immediately exactly for the said reason.

No major prophets recorded had died of being poisoned. Noah, Abraham. Isaac, Jacob, all died in their ripe old age. Others could be martyred and died honorable death. They died because they stood for their faith. You have many of those in Christian history where the saints practically flung themselves to the lion dens rather than to renounce their faith. You have the Maccabees where they would rather be burned alive rather than being asked to transgress their religious law. These people must be in different league than your Mohammad.

Being poisoned suggests a palace or relationship intrigue. Someone must hate you so for you to be poisoned. Not that people don’t and can’t die of being poisoned, but ah … here it happened to the seal of the prophets. I thought surely surely Allah would make it an episode to remember. I mean not dishonorably being poisoned by a Jewish woman, and God knows what he did to the woman … But didn’t you say Allah protects his prophet?

As for Christians, our scripture says we can overcome poison, if truly we walk in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Poison or snakes will not hurt us. That is why I thought when such a purportedly major prophet should die of being poisoned, it just doesn’t add up.

Mark 16: 18
If they pick up snakes or drink any poison, they will not be harmed; they will place their hands on sick people, and these will get well.”

 

[Muslim_Woman]

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Salaam/peace

… the earth will not accept his body.

earth accepted the body of Prophet Muhammed (p). By your logic , as earth did not accept body of Jesus (p) , he had an ugly
death ? ( may Allah forgive me for writing this ).

No major prophets recorded had died of being poisoned.

huh , no Prophet ever murdered on the Cross either .

God knows what he did to the woman …

I also know . Prophet escaped death but one of of his companions died from that poison. Eye for an eye , tooth for a tooth , right ? So , easily understandable she deserved death penalty in this world & fire in eternal life.

But didn’t you say Allah protects his prophet?

yes , Prophet did not die from poison at that time . God never promised to save any Prophet from death . All will die except God.

Truly thou wilt die (one day), and truly they (too) will die (one day).
( 39:30 )

"Every soul shall have taste of death; In the end to us shall ye be brought back .(Surah Al-'Ankabut The Spider 29:57)

As Muhammed (p) escaped death from poison at that time but died later , Jesus (p) was saved from the Cross but will die after his second coming.

If they pick up snakes or drink any poison, they will not be harmed;

holy Quran does not say so . BTW how many true Christans are there
to follow this verse ? When asked to drink poison in the name of Jesus (p) , normally they say , we won’t test God. I am sure , if any verse was there in Quran , u will surely find many Muslims to believe in it & take poison .

 

[Reuben_J]

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Salaam/peace

earth accepted the body of Prophet Muhammed (p). By your logic , as earth did not accept body of Jesus (p) , he had an ugly
death ? ( may Allah forgive me for writing this ).

Not my logic. My Muslim friends’ - it is the very sinful that earth doesn’t accept, not the sinless. As I said, I don’t believe in this either.

My point, Mohammad died a dishonorable death; it’s difficult to connect it to him being a prophet.

 

[R_not]

Rueben J, I really liked your post. It really gave me pause and another angle about mohammed. (like I need another angle to find him to be ‘not a nice guy’! )

I find it ironic that a woman ‘did him in’ too! I think it is called ‘poetic justice’.

 

[Reuben_J]

Rueben J, I really liked your post. It really gave me pause and another angle about mohammed. (like I need another angle to find him to be ‘not a nice guy’! )

I find it ironic that a woman ‘did him in’ too! I think it is called ‘poetic justice’.

Maybe Muslim Woman can explain that.

 

[R_not]

It seems that this video just got posted recently about mohammed’s death.

mohammed was a ‘not nice’ guy. And it shows even as he was dying. It seems that mohammed took a very long time to die.

mohammed’s death