Scandal witnessed during Communion

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JM3 said:
Here’s what the CCC says.

vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P8K.HTM

2477 Respect for the reputation of persons forbids every attitude and word likely to cause them unjust injury.277 He becomes guilty:
  • of rash judgment who, even tacitly, assumes as true, without sufficient foundation, the moral fault of a neighbor;
  • of detraction who, without objectively valid reason, discloses another’s faults and failings to persons who did not know them;278
  • of calumny who, by remarks contrary to the truth, harms the reputation of others and gives occasion for false judgments concerning them.
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Great! It is always good to hear what the Vatican says and teaches- if only more people would read it.

Can you provide what they Vatican says about a Non Catholics receiving Holy Communion multiple times during a single Mass?
 
Well if so many people react like that on here about this issue imagine what you will all say when I tell you that next Wednesday I am going to Medjugorje! I will remember you all before Our Lady and pray for your intentions!
 
Jon_S said:
And as I pointed out several times, correction can be handed out appropriately. The person had already consumed the Eucharist, perhaps you’d advocate stomach pumping I don’t know, but anyway it was done.

The OP should handle this with grace and a welcoming heart, guiding them to truth rather than scolding.

Indeed, if they are run out of the church they will be damned, which is far graver than lovingly pastoring them to correct them and guiding them into the church where they can confess and be reconciled.

It also seems that this OP considers himself a “de facto” Deacon since his priest is elderly. It seems he is way over stepping his bounds. IMO. This is a matter for him to address the priest with and then just hand out communion.

Also, regarding Protestant churches everyone is welcome to communion there so most Protestants don’t know they can’t take communion in a Catholic Church. Second, the orthodox commune infants so perhaps they are if that background.

Regardless, there are lots of people out there that have no idea of the church’s Eucharistic teaching.
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From your statement that the OP considers himself “de facto” Deacon is a very judgmental one.

Your profile states you were just received and maybe are not aware that some Lutheran Synods don’t allow anyone not of their Synod receive communion.

Also until “political correctness” became so popular in the US, Catholics knew who could receive Holy Communion and protestants also knew that they were not allowed. If you read many threads on CAF you will find many protestants wanting to know why they can’t receive Holy Communion.

The reverence for Christ’s Body and Blood has been diminished over the years and it is a shame that many Catholics don’t recognize they are actually in the true Presence of Christ and are receiving His Body.

My feeling is that the OP has such a great devotion to Christ, that he was probably emotional when he spoke to the woman and maybe assumed more beyond the actual incident. As far as the Orthodox go, I am not sure, maybe an Orthodox can answer, but unless you make known to the priest that you are Orthodox, you can’t receive Communion.

If this incident stops one who knows the truth that the Catholic Church is Christ’s Church and does not enter it or leaves it, then they must answer before our Lord. It is actually protestant thinking to go from church to church when the pastor or someone says something you don’t like.

I am also a convert for many years and of course no one whether Catholic or protestant are perfect.

God Bless

Bernadette
 
Fraz94 said:
Well if so many people react like that on here about this issue imagine what you will all say when I tell you that next Wednesday I am going to Medjugorje! I will remember you all before Our Lady and pray for your intentions!
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I don’t think anyone is suggesting that abuse of the Eucharist is ok.
Far from it.

You posted. People answered. 🤷
I don’t think you are grasping the point of many of the posts, dear one.
Praying for you as well! Thank you for your prayers! We all need them!
 
otjm said:
Let me give you two examples of receiving several times": the first is the minister of the cup - whether ordinary or extraordinary. If there is Precious
Blood left over after all have received, the person ministering the cup is to consume the remained (and this normally after they have received it at the start of Communion).

The second is from our local Trappist abbey. After Communion is distributed, if there are remaining Hosts, the celebrant will walk over to the monks and distribute the remaining Hosts. At the abbey, everyone (except the monks) puts a host into the group to be brought up to the altar at the Offertory; because the monks receive from one large host the abbey makes, there are usually a few consecrated Hosts left over after Communion, and they do not retain them for a future Mass. The extra Hosts are distributed both the the ordained and the professed monks in no particular order.

Both are legitimately within the rules of the Church.

That is not to suggest that someone should go up several times to receive, but there are circumstances where it is not an issue. The OP has set out an unusual circumstance, one which appears to have occurred in ignorance.
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Let me explain those two examples, They are NOT the same as what this man did and I think you know it. I don’t know what the rules are for those situations but I do know one is NOT to receive Communion 3 times at one Mass. WE are not even supposed to receive Communion twice a DAY, unless the second time is in the context of another Mass. The OP was NOT the one that was in ignorance and he did have the backing of his priest that had many years of priesthood behind him. Which is more than you and I can say. God Bless. Memaw
 
Make a reparation for the defilement. And if you see the man going up again, just ask point blank “Are you Catholic?” then depending on his answer choose an appropriate course. What greater love can you have for Our Lord than to prevent his Body from being defiled and to prevent your brother from “drinking and eating judgement unto himself”.
 
Fraz94 said:
I am sure they did- people seem to think I am some kind of tyrant- which is not my intention or how I wish it to come across, its sad that people don’t get it- thanks for your kind and loving post.

I was once told off for receiving Communion before making my First Holy Communion and it really upset it- I did it in ignorance and I understand how we must correct with love and kindness which I attempted to do. May God bless you.
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Perhaps then your tone or approach didn’t come off correctly in your telling of the event in your post because, as I read it, you sounded terse and rude to these people – almost like a drive by attack–it just didn’t feel pastoral. It didn’t read as a loving approach to help educate someone and help draw them into the Church. It read more like a “your not welcome here” message. You zealously guard Christ in the host (which is good) but don’t we also need to see Christ in those we meet–what about that Christ? If you were seeing Christ in these two people, rather than someone who received the host when he shouldn’t have and someone who has a PARTNER, would you have approached them as it sounds like you did? Shouldn’t our actions model Jesus actions with regard to sinners who were seeking him? These two are not pharisees, they are not Church leaders–they sound like two people being called by Christ to his Church–they need forgiveness and education and welcome (love) not condemnation and a list of don’ts. A little gentle education of earnest seekers will accomplish a lot more in my experience, than a harsh statement of rules.

I am also curious how you can tell just by looking at two people with a child that they are not married? What makes it obvious? This isn’t a skill I have.

The peace of Christ,
Mark
 
Fraz94 said:
Haha your last sentence made me laugh- my “sinner friends” would be practising members of the Roman Catholic Church- maybe they are coming to Communion without the proper preparation but at least they are members of the Catholic Church- the Catholic Church firmly teaches that those outside her Communion may not receive!
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Why would that make you laugh? What is the greater sin – for a member of the Catholic Church to receive when they are not properly disposed–or for an outsider who doesn’t know any better to receive? The Church also firmly teaches that those in mortal sin may not receive–even if they are practicing members of the Catholic Church. Do you object to the way Jon S suggests would have been a better way to handle the situation? I an glad to see that you smiled – wouldn’t have guessed it from your OP.

The peace of Christ,
Mark
 
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