Scapular from schismatic group

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Yesterday I purchased a rather beautiful scapular from the website of the Sisters of Carmel. However, I found out today that they are actually a schismatic group. Is it wrong to keep and use this scapular?
 
Knowing its origin, I would hesitate to use it. Consider the spirit of disobedience under which it was made. I recall that the serpent is the most subtle of all the creatures, and uses objects of beauty to lead us astray. Keep in mind that I am rather sensitive to spiritual matters.
 
Is it the sistersofcarmel (dot) com ? Oh man, I did not know that. I have been wearing their brown scapular for a long time. :eek: Is supporting such a group a sin, like by ways of for instance buying scapulars and such? Should I stop wearing such a scapular? I have one scapular medal from them too, and it was blessed in their monastery, would the blessing be still valid, ie. could I still use it or not? :confused:
 
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Yesterday I purchased a rather beautiful scapular from the website of the Sisters of Carmel. However, I found out today that they are actually a schismatic group. Is it wrong to keep and use this scapular?
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I don’t think it makes any difference. If it troubles you, have it blessed by a priest.

If you buy a rosary in a store, do you know who actually made it? Or a statue?
 
It doesn’t matter. A scapular is a scapular, and it doesn’t matter where it is made or who made it, unless, of course, it has been cursed or something. 🤷 I’m sure there is absolutely no harm in wearing it.

That is not to say it is a good thing to support a schismatic group by buying their materials, but since you have already bought it, there’s no use in throwing it away.

Furthermore, I have not heard that the sisters of Carmel are schismatics from a reliable source, so make sure you confirm that.
 
Rafaela said:
Is it the sistersofcarmel (dot) com ? Oh man, I did not know that. I have been wearing their brown scapular for a long time. :eek: Is supporting such a group a sin, like by ways of for instance buying scapulars and such? Should I stop wearing such a scapular? I have one scapular medal from them too, and it was blessed in their monastery, would the blessing be still valid, ie. could I still use it or not? :confused:
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Ask your priest if you need to have it blessed again. I was in a similar situation about a rosary, and our pastor told me it wasn’t necessary to have it blessed again.
 
I don’t see the problem. Under that logic, I’d need to go remove the catalytic converter from my car, since my mechanic is Protestant.
 
If this is the Carmelite Monastery in Colorado Springs, then they are not under the local bishop. Unless that has changed in the past few years.
 
Lormar said:
I don’t think it makes any difference. If it troubles you, have it blessed by a priest.

If you buy a rosary in a store, do you know who actually made it? Or a statue?
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And, here we have the probable solution. A blessing will remove doubt. As to future purchases from them - pretty obvious at this point. Prayer for them is most certainly warranted.
 
Remember to wash the inside of your cup, not just the outside.

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Thank you (and others on this thread so far) for the good advice.I will just have it blessed. Their canonical situation is definitely irregular at best; there has been much discussion of them on the Catholic Answers Forum as well as Fisheaters.
 
Sisters of Carmel aren’t schismatic. They are considered renegade, an independent order. Masses for the sisters are celebrated by priests from Servants of the Holy Family, who are schismatic.

If you peruse the sisters’ website, you will find no mention of local bishop approval, Rome approval, or Carmelite order approval.

A letter written by the bishop in 2004 used to be on the Archdiocese of Colorado Springs website. When the website was redesigned a couple of years ago, the letter didn’t make it into the new design. It’s been a while since I read the letter, However, the letter more or less stated, the groups (the sisters, and the priests from Servants of the Holy Family) were not in communion with the Archdiocese or Rome. The letter asked the faithful to pray for a peaceful resolution.

I live in the Archdiocese of Denver, and we keep a close watch on the situation in our neighbor, Archdiocese of Colorado Springs. To date, no resolution.
 
asia53 said:
Sisters of Carmel aren’t schismatic. They are considered renegade, an independent order. Masses for the sisters are celebrated by priests from Servants of the Holy Family, who are schismatic.

If you peruse the sisters’ website, you will find no mention of local bishop approval, Rome approval, or Carmelite order approval.

A letter written by the bishop in 2004 used to be on the Archdiocese of Colorado Springs website. When the website was redesigned a couple of years ago, the letter didn’t make it into the new design. It’s been a while since I read the letter, However, the letter more or less stated, the groups (the sisters, and the priests from Servants of the Holy Family) were not in communion with the Archdiocese or Rome. The letter asked the faithful to pray for a peaceful resolution.

I live in the Archdiocese of Denver, and we keep a close watch on the situation in our neighbor, Archdiocese of Colorado Springs. To date, no resolution.
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What are they? SSPX? SSPV? Something else? They don’t look like some kind of radicals to me, but they sure could be uber-traditional, like SSPX maybe.

Does anybody know?
 
Ridgerunner said:
What are they? SSPX? SSPV? Something else? They don’t look like some kind of radicals to me, but they sure could be uber-traditional, like SSPX maybe.

Does anybody know?
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Fr. Anthony Ward, who is the founder of the Servants of the Holy Family and the priest responsible for setting up that Carmel, used to be a member of the SSPX. In either 1975 or 1976, he left the SSPX taking several seminarians with him, when Archbishop Lefebvre defied Pope Paul VI’s request not to ordain any more seminarians. He found his way to Colorado Springs and set up what is now there. I don’t know if they still are, but they used to be a very closed in group. You don’t hear much about them, and they keep to themselves.

They are not sedevacantists, but think more along the lines of the SSPX.
 
Thank you all for the answers as well. This clears it for me too. On a sideline how does one get rid of items like broken scapulars or rosaries ie. sacramentals? I remember once reading that one should burn them? Anyone whom knows?
 
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