Scapular never to be taken off!?

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hudson said:
All traditions and devotions must be watered down. In the spirit of Vatican 2
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Yea, all praise to the “spirit” of Vatican II. Actually, If one is in compliance with the requirements of the Brown Scapular, one is extremely unlikely to be in danger of Hell. If wearing the fabric Scapular bugs you, you can always wear the Scapular medal. I have been enrolled for many years and I just wear the small medal. The Brown Scapular is not like the “sacred underwear” of the mormons, which must be worn under pain of sin.
 
What he is trying to say here is that those who forced the “spirit” of Vatican II down the throats of the faithfull were determined to erase as much of our Catholicism as possible. With that “spirit” came the destruction of Church architecture, sacred music, reverence for our Lord in the Eucharist, destruction of Religious Orders, a decline in the priesthood, and loss of faith. I could go on and on. Am I condemning Vatican Council II? No, I am condemning those who hijacked the Council for their own ends. Even the Vatican today realizes that this truly happened and are faced with cleaning up the mess.
 
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What he is trying to say here is that those who forced the “spirit” of Vatican II down the throats of the faithfull were determined to erase as much of our Catholicism as possible. With that “spirit” came the destruction of Church architecture, sacred music, reverence for our Lord in the Eucharist, destruction of Religious Orders, a decline in the priesthood, and loss of faith. I could go on and on. Am I condemning Vatican Council II? No, I am condemning those who hijacked the Council for their own ends. Even the Vatican today realizes that this truly happened and are faced with cleaning up the mess.
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Thank you for your service, sir.
 
hosemonkey said:
What he is trying to say here is that those who forced the “spirit” of Vatican II down the throats of the faithfull were determined to erase as much of our Catholicism as possible. With that “spirit” came the destruction of Church architecture, sacred music, reverence for our Lord in the Eucharist, destruction of Religious Orders, a decline in the priesthood, and loss of faith. I could go on and on. Am I condemning Vatican Council II? No, I am condemning those who hijacked the Council for their own ends. Even the Vatican today realizes that this truly happened and are faced with cleaning up the mess.
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I definitely agree with what you have written above…but I was wondering what Hudson’s statement had to do with the Brown Scapular devotion.
 
Dorothy said:
I definitely agree with what you have written above…but I was wondering what Hudson’s statement had to do with the Brown Scapular devotion.
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I think that he was subtly refering to the lack of popularity of and of devotion to the Brown Scapular. These devotions were poo-pooed by the happy-clappy “VII-spirit” crowd as just relics of an old and irrelevant faith. Along with altar rails and statues. Out with the old, in with the new, “progressive” Sisters in short dresses and coiffed hair.
 
followingtheway said:
The Mormon underwear bit. :sad_yes:
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If a mormon wants a “temple recommend” in order to visit a mormon “Temple,” he must be interviewed by his “bishop” and be interrogated as to his “worthiness” to attend. This interview takes the form of a checksheet consisting of multiple questions as to his tithing, behavior, drinking coffee or tea, smoking etc. One of the questions covers the “sacred garment” which must be worn by every faithful mormon who hopes to gain that all-important “temple recommend.” No recommend, no temple, sorry. This could have a heavy impact on one’s salvation and will definitely foul up the “godhood” process. I have a recommend checksheet form, I’ll dig it up. The Brown Scapular has no such requirements.
 
hosemonkey said:
If a mormon wants a “temple recommend” in order to visit a mormon “Temple,” he must be interviewed by his “bishop” and be interrogated as to his “worthiness” to attend. This interview takes the form of a checksheet consisting of multiple questions as to his tithing, behavior, drinking coffee or tea, smoking etc. One of the questions covers the “sacred garment” which must be worn by every faithful mormon who hopes to gain that all-important “temple recommend.” No recommend, no temple, sorry. This could have a heavy impact on one’s salvation and will definitely foul up the “godhood” process. I have a recommend checksheet form, I’ll dig it up. The Brown Scapular has no such requirements.
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Interviewing Instructions

Exercise great care when interviewing applicants for recommends to enter a temple. Make it clear that you represent the Lord in determining worthiness to enter his holy house. No unworthy applicant should receive a recommend. Be certain that each applicant is worthy as a result of living up to Church standards and principles. Acceptable answers to the recommend interview questions ordinarily will establish worthiness to receive a recommend. Do not assume that worthiness to enter the temple at one time is reason for a casual interview later. Discuss the interview questions with each applicant, and keep each interview private.

Require an applicant who is not living up to Church standards and principles to demonstrate true repentence before receiving a recommend to enter a temple.

When interviewing an applicant for a recommend, do not inquire into personal, intimate matters about marital relations between a husband and his wife.
Generally, do not deviate from the recommend interview questions. If, during an interview, an applicant asks about the propriety of specific conduct, do not pursue the matter. Merely suggest that if the applicant has enough anxiety about the
propriety of the conduct to ask about it, the best course would be to discontinue it. If you are sensitive and wise, you usually can prevent those being interviewed from asking such explicit questions.

Interview Questions for Recommends to Enter a Temple
  1. Do you believe in God, the Eternal Father, in his Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost; and do you have a firm testimony of the restored gospel?
  2. Do you sustain the President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the prophet, seer, and revelator; and do you recognize him as the only person on the earth authorized to exercise all priesthood keys?
  3. Do you sustain the other General Authorities and the local authorities of the Church?
  4. Do you live the law of chastity?
  5. Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?
  6. Do you affiliate with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or do you sympathize with the precepts of any such group or individual?
  7. Do you earnestly strive to do your duty in the Church; to attend your sacrament, priesthood, and other meetings; and to obey the rules, laws, and commandments of the gospel?
  8. Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?
  9. Are you a full-tithe payer?
  10. Do you keep the Word of Wisdom?
  11. Have you ever been divorced or are you now separated from your spouse under order of a civil court? If yes, (a) - Are you current in your support payments and other financial obligations for family members, as specified by court order or in other written, binding commitments? (b) Were there any circumstances of transgression in connection
    with your divorce or separation that have not been previously resolved with your bishop?
  12. If you have received your temple endowment – (a) Do you keep all the covenants that you made in the temple? (b) Do you wear the authorized garments both day and night?
  13. Has there been any sin or misdeed in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but has not?
  14. Do you consider yourself worthy in every way to enter the temple and participate in temple ordinances?
In each interview, emphasize to the applicant the need to safeguard the recommend. It must never be loaned and should be reported immediately to the issuer if lost or stolen. (See “Lost, Stolen, or Revoked Recommends” on the preceding page.)

OLD Questions 11 & 12 (replaced by 11a & 11b)
  1. Have you ever had a divorce that has not been cleared by appropriate priesthood authorities, where required?
  2. If you have ever been divorced or separated, are you presently fulfilling your obligations for the support and maintenance of your family?
I am not too sure about how many questions that you are allowed to miss.
 
I only take mine off to bathe and for times with the wife. I do sleep with it on, though. It is not a sin to take it off briefly, and it is practical to do so. Soap and water would ruin it quickly, fading it out, and, depending upon how athletic one’s sexual proclivities are, it could easily get tangled around one or both necks in the process. Just sayin’.

The point is, as others have said above, it is you, not the scapular, that is blessed. Recall that you can always buy a new one and just replace the one you wear now without going through the blessing process again.
 
I take mine off to shower, but keep it within grabbing distance, just in case.
 
What are the requirements for wearing the brown scapular? I’ve read conflicting info. about it. One says you have to say the Little Office of the Blessed Virgin or the rosary. The scapular group on Catholic Answers says that there are no vocal prayer requirements anymore. 🤷
 
You can start with a minimum of three Hail Marys a day, and then work in some prayer time that includes more.

After all, the Scapular of Our Lady of Mount Carmel is a great sacramental to remind us about prayer. Carmel is the mountain of prayer.

Also, our developing devotion to Our Lady will lead us closer to our lord.
 
Taking it off in the bathroom is fine. I laid mine aside for another reason today though. I was given a hair-cut and didn’t want little hairs getting stuck to it and irritating me :D.
 
Having recently enrolled in the brown scapular, I had to deal with this issue as well. I’ve arrived at this:

I wear the brown scapular 24/7, 365 days a year.

The one I originally had was getting pretty beat up in the shower. I got a more durable scapular and it is holding up fine. If it starts wearing, I’ll replace it.

I also wear a St. Michael medal on a chain. They do get tangled up all the time, especially in my sleep. So what? No big deal, I simply untangle them.

Why wear it 24/7/365?

Well people die in the shower. People die in bed. People die at all different times and places, and the point is that we have no idea of the time or place of our death.

Pax and God Bless.
 
The very ancient Christian tradition with respect to the wearing of one’s baptismal Cross, still widely practiced in the Eastern Churches, is to never take it off, even when showering.

One wears the Cross on a long cord (rather than a chain) to allow one to make the Sign of the Cross with the Baptismal Cross in hand (morning and night and before praying whenever possible - just like the practice of crossing oneself with the cross of the rosary).

In Russia, coal-miners working in close proximity with coal-burning furnaces have begun wearing a special type of metallic cross that won’t melt (!) when they wear it - that is how seriously they take this tradition.

As a Benedictine oblate, I wear the Black Scapular of St Benedict and do take it off for brief periods of time and wear it with the Benedictine Crucifix.

It is interesting to me that just as our Lady promised certain privileges to those wearing the Brown Scapular, so too did St Benedict promise similar privileges to those who recalled his blessed repose in the Lord, which is enshrined on the front of the St Benedict Medal.

Alex
 
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