Scariest and Most Depressing thing I have read

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In addition: any kind of conspiratorial political-minded Church gossip-sounding website, any webites heralding dates for Second Coming, or any with anti-Church, anti-Catholic, anti-Pope rantings and content, and any websites with very aggressive-sounding articles and those too that doom most of us to Hell unless we are by all accounts impeccably formed and formidably austere saints, simply ignore (or that is what I do).

Be gentle with yourself and others. Or try to be.
 
If one does not make perfect contrition before one dies then I’d assume this is what purgatory was for as well as for making reparation. And who is to say a person hadn’t made a perfect contrition?! There are those that die in the Odor of Sanctity but this is by no means the majority. Many go by way of Purgatory.

Heed good advice from Our Lady but remember that she has been given the authority to make statements about the future and salvation that carve a sure path for us but as for those people on earth who do this, be very careful what you take in, or rather, discern. I am sure all are well intended and some sins can separate us but nevertheless joy is a part of Christian life and you can vote against bad things in the world without having to feed off people’s fear…

So I have a tip: if you ever read anything that takes away your hope and makes it all seem pointless then this advice is probably not from our Creator. Ditch it! With our Creator is always a definite way, which maybe challenges, yet does not take our hope away. As in the case of Our Lady or with the saints, when revelations were revealed, there is also great gentleness, hope and love as well as a definite means of achieving salvation which accompanies any message.

There is a petition site for Fatima (I happen to take this apparition very seriously) and they recently did a very beautiful thing indeed so I guess the point is to practice an element of caution in your search for good reading material.
Hi Friarchips,

I believe you meant this message for Nelka?
 
olrl.org/snt_docs/fewness.shtml

fatimacrusader.com/cr61/cr61pg48.asp

I always thought many people would go to Purgatory but this makes it seem impossible for us to avoid Hell.

Add the imperfect contrition and death before confession means I don’t stand a chance.

Would it not have been better if none of us were ever born?

I feel more depressed now than when I went through my illness as a young man.

😦
Hi Nelka,

I don’t usually go to links, but in your case I was interested because of other posts.

This is what I did:

Went to each one, read the first couple of sentences.

Then I shut them down and opened up my bible where I find the Word of God and where it says nothing of what I would have read .

God is Love - God is Mighty -
God is also Just, and that’s why we have Jesus!
What do you think “Jesus saves us” means, anyway??!!
🙂

Fran
 
Thank You for all the lovely replies. I never thought I would go straight to Heaven but believed many souls go to Purgatory, hoping more would go to Purgatory than Hell.

Reading about imperfect contrition not being enough if you died on your way to confession terrified me too.

Has any Saint mentioned that Purgatory is huge and all the souls are packed in like sardines?
 
Nelka,

I immediately clicked on the second link because I know that “Fatima Crusader” begun by Father Nicholas
Gruner is not approved by the Church. He has not obeyed, (obedience is a good sign!) the Church many times and continues to write what he writes in not a good tone.
FYI:

Father Gruner died April 29, 2015. Please pray for his soul.
 
Hi Friarchips,

I believe you meant this message for Nelka?
Hi. You’d mentioned official Fatima organisers, so was posting to Nelka using your post as a springboard. (The Fatima organisers I’ve heard of send emails called ‘The Fatima Message’ but they send far too many emails through and so I’ve now unsubscribed - probably not the same peeps as your Blue Army but thought it might be worth mentioning).

And yes, my limited advice was for Nelka.

👍
 
Here’s the two sides to this.

Either God is a loving and compassionate father who will welcome sinners to his breast like He’s claimed dozens of times in the Bible.

Or He’s a liar. And not compassionate. But is instead a heartless perfectionist.

There’s only one of the above I’d be comfortable spending an eternity with anyway. 🤷
Yes

The only entity that could be described as “a liar…not compassionate…heartless perfectionist” is a devil. The demons are absolute legalists, without an ounce of mercy, and are liars. Satan is a liar and the father of lies and a murderer from the beginning. Any description that paints God as such is diabolical. I am not saying that is true of the material in the link in the OP, but am just speaking generally.

Souls fall into hell because they place the creature over the Creator. Because they love themselves or the pleasures of this world more than they love God.

But God is merciful and loving. Jesus told us to forgive seven times seventy times. Do we not believe that God Himself will be even more merciful? Heaven rejoices when sinners repent. Amendment of life can be very very difficult. But we should never despair or lose hope. If we are weak, then we should rejoice because He is strong.
 
Jesus did say Heaven is a narrow path and there are few who find it.

His Apostles asked once: “Who then can be saved?!!!”

To.which Jesus replied; “To man, this is impossible, but through God, it is possible.”

Just stick with the sacraments, confess, live a healthy balanced life, avoid sin, confess if you fall, trust in God’s Mercy,

Jesus told St Faustina, Heaven Is given to those who persevere,
Those who get back up each time they fall.

A Catholic isn’t perfect, a catholic.just gets back up and confesses when they slip,

I read recently:
“It is better to fail occasionally at being perfect,
Then to altogether succeed at being unholy.”

Keep going to confession and trust in His Mercy.
This is very good advice.
 
Thank You for all the lovely replies. I never thought I would go straight to Heaven but believed many souls go to Purgatory, hoping more would go to Purgatory than Hell.

Reading about imperfect contrition not being enough if you died on your way to confession terrified me too.

Has any Saint mentioned that Purgatory is huge and all the souls are packed in like sardines?
Hi Nelka,

Just to clarify:

You speak of purgatory as if it’s a third place in the afterlife. You say you hope more people go to purgatory than to hell. And asking if it’s huge.

I hope you know that there are only two places in the afterlife. Heaven and hell. The ones in purgatory are headed for heaven. ( It shouldn’t be referred to as a 3rd place).

IOW, if purgatory is packed like sardines (wouldn’t it be nice?) that means all those people are going to heaven!

Unfortunately, Jesus does tell us that the road is narrow and few there be that find it. He certainly is not speaking of someone who knows God and loves God and wishes to follow God!

“I have come that they might have Life, and a Life more abundant”
John 10:10

How could we have a life more abundant if we have to worry about going to hell all the time?? (not speaking of you but in general).

Just wanted to clarify re there being only TWO places after death.

Fran
 
olrl.org/snt_docs/fewness.shtml

fatimacrusader.com/cr61/cr61pg48.asp

I always thought many people would go to Purgatory but this makes it seem impossible for us to avoid Hell.

Add the imperfect contrition and death before confession means I don’t stand a chance.

Would it not have been better if none of us were ever born?

I feel more depressed now than when I went through my illness as a young man.

😦
In response to the terror you are experiencing from this article, look toward Mary. If anyone knew Jesus well, it was his own mother. She knows him and more importantly loves him more than anyone else being his mother. There is a real bond of love between a mother and child, a love that is rarely seen in anyone else’s love.

There has been a strong tradition in the church that Jesus himself gave us his mother to be our mother. Jesus not only gave us himself, but even gave us his mother to help us and to love us. And I have often thought why would he do this when his own life was more than enough for us. And the only answer I can come up with is that he knew that he would not refuse his mother anything she asked him for, since she refused him nothing he asked her for.

And so when we became Mary’s sons and daughters by Christ’s desire, he knew he would not refuse to give us the graces she asked for us, and she would be the reason he would save some of the ugliest people on earth who didn’t deserve to be saved. He would not refuse her, and she would ask because she has a bond of mother love to us all. And so the worst of sinners have gone to Mary knowing she would obtain for them what they knew they could not dare ask for themselves. And Jesus knew this … and so he said to St. John from the painful cross … “behold your mother”.

If you are frightened and terrorized by some really horrible thoughts, then snuggle next to your mother, and stay close to her always.

Memorare

Remember, O most gracious Virgin Mary, that never was it known that anyone who fled to your protection, implored your help, or sought your intercession was left unaided.

Inspired by this confidence, I fly unto you, O Virgin of virgins, my mother; to you I come, before you I stand, sinful and sorrowful. O Mother of the Word Incarnate, despise not my petitions, but in your mercy hear and answer me.

Amen.

“Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us now and at the hour of our death.”
 
In response to the terror you are experiencing from this article, look toward Mary. If anyone knew Jesus well, it was his own mother. She knows him and more importantly loves him more than anyone else being his mother. There is a real bond of love between a mother and child, a love that is rarely seen in anyone else’s love.

There has been a strong tradition in the church that Jesus himself gave us his mother to be our mother. Jesus not only gave us himself, but even gave us his mother to help us and to love us. And I have often thought why would he do this when his own life was more than enough for us. And the only answer I can come up with is that he knew that he would not refuse his mother anything she asked him for, since she refused him nothing he asked her for.

And so when we became Mary’s sons and daughters by Christ’s desire, he knew he would not refuse to give us the graces she asked for us, and she would be the reason he would save some of the ugliest people on earth who didn’t deserve to be saved. He would not refuse her, and she would ask because she has a bond of mother love to us all. And so the worst of sinners have gone to Mary knowing she would obtain for them what they knew they could not dare ask for themselves. And Jesus knew this … and so he said to St. John from the painful cross … “behold your mother”.

If you are frightened and terrorized by some really horrible thoughts, then snuggle next to your mother, and stay close to her always.

Memorare

Remember, O most gracious Virgin Mary, that never was it known that anyone who fled to your protection, implored your help, or sought your intercession was left unaided.

Inspired by this confidence, I fly unto you, O Virgin of virgins, my mother; to you I come, before you I stand, sinful and sorrowful. O Mother of the Word Incarnate, despise not my petitions, but in your mercy hear and answer me.

Amen.

“Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us now and at the hour of our death.”
Amen!

You reminded me of one of my favourite books: ‘The Glories of Mary’ by St. Alphonsus:

archive.org/stream/thegloriesofmary00liguuoft#page/n3/mode/2up

It is so beautiful and consoling. Included in his book are many encouraging anecdotes. Mary is the Mother of Mercy; she leads us to Jesus, Mercy Incarnate.
 
I remember getting a copy of the Fatima crusader by a well meaning catholic and I couldn’t believe some of the content of that magazine. There where graphic pictures of little children that had been murdered and mutilated. It was extremely disturbing. And it made me question the kind of people who would publish that kind of content.
 
I remember getting a copy of the Fatima crusader by a well meaning catholic and I couldn’t believe some of the content of that magazine. There where graphic pictures of little children that had been murdered and mutilated. It was extremely disturbing. And it made me question the kind of people who would publish that kind of content.
No wonder you were disturbed, and you were quite right to question the purpose of why it was thought necessary to show those shocking pictures.
 
No wonder you were disturbed, and you were quite right to question the purpose of why it was thought necessary to show those shocking pictures.
Fair enough. But didn’t it make you question even more those who might commit the atrocities in the pictures? Thus, increasing motivation for prayer. People have the choice to go to news and petition sites and as adults with freewill can choose not to but in the nanny states the Western public is not ushered into having our consciences grow and deepen by those who’d know it’s be easier if we simply didn’t know until hearing about things later; in fact, if more people had seen images of the consequences of ISIS ages ago, then maybe more would have been done. Sometimes the shocking truth needs to be witnessed in order to wake us all up (IMO).
 
Fair enough. But didn’t it make you question even more those who might commit the atrocities in the pictures? Thus, increasing motivation for prayer. People have the choice to go to news and petition sites and as adults with freewill can choose not to but in the nanny states the Western public is not ushered into having our consciences grow and deepen by those who’d know it’s be easier if we simply didn’t know until hearing about things later; in fact, if more people had seen images of the consequences of ISIS ages ago, then maybe more would have been done. Sometimes the shocking truth needs to be witnessed in order to wake us all up (IMO).
Yes of course I question those who commit those atrocities, as I do with all the appalling barbaric acts occurring in the world.

I’m not suggesting we should be shielded from the awareness of them, but I don’t think we need to see graphic images in religious material to be made aware of how horrendous they are in order to draw us to prayer. There’s enough reported in the media to draw attention to that necessity.
 
He would talk a lot about the consecration of Russia in that it didn’t happen and I don’t think he liked Vatican II.
 
He would talk a lot about the consecration of Russia in that it didn’t happen and I don’t think he liked Vatican II.
All the more reason to stay away from anything he had written or endorsed.
 
wafusa.org/the-apostolate/

The above site used to be named “The Blue Army of Our Lady of Fatima”, and they have changed their name, although for the sake of continuity have it on their site. If you check it out you can see that the tone is different.

It was from the Blue Army that I learned all about Fatima, and as a teen began going to the First Saturday devotions.
 
He would talk a lot about the consecration of Russia in that it didn’t happen and I don’t think he liked Vatican II.
Opposition to Vat. II is a far more dubious path to take than thinking that the Consecration of Russia could have been done more confidently. It was done by letter. This is not confident. I think it could have been done publicly: public opposition to Vat. II by a religious member is an attack against the Church; thinking that Russia should still be publicly put under the wings of the Holy Mother - the letter read out - is another. Look at the West - trickle down communism in the form of extreme capitalism - had the Consecration been carried out confidently then maybe things would be different right now. A pet peev.
 
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