Scary Episcopalian Encounter

[Traditional_Ang]

Cherub:

I probably won’t be visiting this forum much in the future, because in the months that have passed since I started this topic out of some sense of shock and self-righteousness, I have come to the realization that I have erred, and that I am not Roman Catholic, I’m just not.

I was wrong to criticize the Episcopal curriculum that I barely bothered to learn anything about – or even to criticize the man who was doing his best to deliver it, despite his sin. What about it? I sin. All the time, I sin, and I truly do repent. I might even sin more often than he does, because who knows? At least now when I sin, it is not because of some over-defined doctrine I don’t agree with in my heart of hearts. It is more a sin to disobey the conscience than to disobey Rome.

Having fully laid aside my difficulty with those within the ECUSA whose views diverge from mine, I have decided to return to my own church and stand with it, no matter what. Who am I to get so offended on behalf of God over any single indiscretion mankind is capable of? God does not need my help, and I cannot help myself. So I’m going forward and I’m going to be the best me I can be in this life – but I will not be quoting canon law or the catechism on the day of judgment when asked why I did this or that, or failed to do it.

Cherub:

It took me awhile to see that you had written this today. We are all flawed human beings, but that doesn’t mean we leave the Church that Jesus Himself founded to return to one that’s busy defining the work “heresy” preaching a Gospel that’s completely comtrary to the one that Christ himself preached.

Cherub, I’ve found that people will often behave more aggressively on the web than they would in real life. So much of what you’ve seen here may not even reflect how you would be treated if you attended one of these poster’s parishes.

And, right now, I’m not as concerned about some of the people you were dealing with as I am for you. I doubted Pope Leo’s Bull regarding Anglican Orders (I’m in the TAC), but I have to see the teaching of a Gospel contrary to that which was given to the Apostles and the Church Fathers as being proof that Pope Leo was right and that Anglican Orders were rendered Invalid.

I could go into details later if you want about the how and the full implications, but I can safely say that the Sacraments that you’ll be relying on to communicate God’s GRACE to you are INVALID and will NOT communicate that GRACE. and, If you’re anything like me, you NEED THAT GRACE to live a Godly life and to grow into the fullness of the stature of Christ as promised in Scripture and by the Church Fathers.

Cherub, have you heard of the Pastoral Provision for the Anglican Use? Have you heard of the various Autonomous Churches within the Catholic Church? Have you taked to anyone about the Traditional Anglican Church? or, Have you talked to Fr. Ambrose about Orthodoxy?

I’m just saying there are much better alternatives than going back to that sinking ship. Please reconsider.

Blessed are they who act to save the lives of God’s Little Ones. Michael

 

[Kyenta]

Cherub,

I do want to thank you for the story on the Scary Episcopalian Encounter. It was indeed - scary!

What I admired about your post, is your courage to speak up. I probably would have been too shocked and left without the opportunity to set this individual straight about the wrong teaching. I’m also glad your friend supported you.

I love my Catholic faith more than my own life. It is everything to me. I hope you return to this website but much more important is that I hope you continue learning about the Catholic Church. The Church is what helps me stay on the right path, and although I do swerve and deviate a lot, my extraordinary love for Sweet Jesus, never allows me to go too far.

I believe you are what the Catholic Church needs - defenders of the faith.

 

[AquinasXVI]

Cherub:

When GK Chesterton was asked what the greatest stumbling block for those outside the church from coming into the church, he replied–the Catholics! GKC inspite of that converted because he had no other conclusion that the authentic deposit of faith is indeed the Catholic Church.

It is sad to see you be discouraged here due to our massive lack of charity. But, it’s not as black and white as that. The errors that you relayed to us is a very serious matter. One who is charged with the responsibility of teaching the objective truth should not be teaching subjective preference. I think you know this very well otherwise you wouldn’t have acted like that. Lack of charity on your part? Maybe. But that doesn’t remove his culpability of teaching erroneous personal doctrine.

Once more GKC also said that it is the easiest fault of a catholic who knows his faith to have a complex of intellectual advantage because he knows he is right. Therefore, to temper this pride, we still need the humility of Christ-which is a virtue that all of us here should be striving for. For our failure to live up to that, please forgive us.

May Christ bless us all.
A.

 

[AnglicanRite]

SouthCoast:

Hmm, I’ve had high hopes that the Anglicans would all one day reunite with the Catholic Church as their own Rite, but it seems like ECUSA is about a million miles away from that. The Catholic Church wouldn’t have such heresy in ANY Rite of the Church. It makes me want to vomit that anyone purporting to be a Christian could hold such inane and heretical views.

-Michael

Believe me, Southcoast, it is coming sooner than you think.

For now there may be only a handful of Anglican Use parishes and a scattering of Anglicans who have entered into Full Communion with Rome (myself being one), but a floodgate is about to burst open and flow right into the Tiber.

 

[Rand_Al_Thor]

AnglicanRite:

Believe me, Southcoast, it is coming sooner than you think.

For now there may be only a handful of Anglican Use parishes and a scattering of Anglicans who have entered into Full Communion with Rome (myself being one), but a floodgate is about to burst open and flow right into the Tiber.

lol.
What exactly is the Anglican Rite like (for a service, that is)? I’ve never been to an Anglican or Episcopal church.

In Christ,
Rand

 

[Eden]

I may be wrong but I did not read Cherub’s post to be saying that this forum brought them to the conclusion that they are not Catholic just that they could not participate here anymore because this is not the direction they have chosen to go. I read it to mean that in the month and half that they have been gone, they have continued with the confirmation classes at the ECUSA and came to the conclusion through those encounters that they could not be Catholic. Maybe Cherub will be able to answer that but it was my impression from their post history that it was in the absence from these forums that they reached this conclusions. If I’ve misunderstood, I apologize!

 

[WBB]

Rand Al'Thor:

lol.
What exactly is the Anglican Rite like (for a service, that is)? I’ve never been to an Anglican or Episcopal church.

In Christ,
Rand

It is not really called the Anglican Rite per se. It is the Anglican Use Liturgy, but it is within the Latin Church. The Anglican Use Liturgy is almost word for word what you would find in the Holy Eucharist Rite I in *The Book of Common Prayer. *There were modifications of certain parts of it to put it in line with Rome, but it is essentially the same.

 

[WBB]

Oops. I forgot to give you a link to the Anglican Use parishes.

Sorry about that!

 

[Traditional_Ang]

stanley123:

I did not think it was this bad for the Catholics:
rcf.org/docs/Dowgiert.htm

Stanley123:

Someone needs to forward a copy to Pope Benedict XVI.

I’m sure that, if the allegations contained hererin are true, that he would find them as unacceptable as we do.

Please do so, unless this was just a shot of pique. His e-mail is benedictxvi@vatican.va

I’ve posted previously at length about the problems within ECUSA. They are far deeper than what’s been written about here:

This is what happened at Nittingham (There is such a place) earlier in the week:

The Anglican Communion (++Canterbury) seems to be coming apart at the seams. That is exactly as it would appear from the meeting at Nottingham where these presentations by ECUSA and the Church of Canada appeared to go over like lead balloons:

Susan’s Blog:
Presentation to the Anglican Consultative Council: June 21
everyvoice.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=2002&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

Liveblogging the American Team Presentation to the ACC in Nottingham
6/21/2005
titusonenine.classicalanglican.net/index.php?p=7352

You can also listen to them on this:

Audio and Video Streams: Episcopalians Respond To Windsor Report
episcopalchurch.org/3577_63051_ENG_HTM.htm

And the Guardian states the presentations weren’t well received at all:
Vengeance in the air as churches face expulsion
guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,1511616,00.html

And this from Archbishop Peter Akinola of Nigeria

Open Letter from Archbishop Peter Akinola of Nigeria

*Anglican Consultative Council XIII
Wednesday, June 22nd, 2005

To the Chairman:
*
I know that you have a “settled agenda”. I know we have procedures and I am not unaware of the rule of meetings, but with due respect I wish to remind you that we are not here as independent individuals.
*
We are all here as representatives of our various provinces and a primary concern for the people whom we serve is the outcome of this current controversy that has divided our communion at its deepest level. We dare not go forward from here without at least some indication of what comes next after listening to yesterday’s presentations from ECUSA and the Anglican Church of Canada.
*
Therefore I propose, with due respect and humility, that we meet alone as council to sort out the best way forward. All other matters are important but we need to deal with this pressing matter before we can address other concerns.
*
In Christ,
*
Abp Peter Akinola
*
Copy:
The President
All Council Members*

If you listen to the presentations and read the blogs, what you’ll hear is essentially, "“We’re being inspired by the Holy Spirit, so we don’t have to listen to the Traditional of the Church, the Clear meaning of Scripture, or TO YOU!”

I’m sorry, but that’s been the message that we orthodox have heard for the last 30 years, so many have either formed new jurisdictions, gone to ROME or simply fallen away in dispair. Others have stayed in the vain hope that things would get better, in the belief that the fact they were in “safe” dioceses meant that they would be protected. For most, that simply hasn’t been so.

If you’ll do an in depth study, you’ll find this had wounded a lot of people and led many sheep astray.

And, for those of us who grew up with this Church, it’s like watching the death of an Uncle, or a Brother, only in VERY SLOW motion.

Please pray for them. They really do need it. Also please pray for us.

Blessed are they who act to save God’s Little Ones. Michael

 

[Cherub]

I have read all the replies to this thread, and I thank each person who is concerned or who has offered prayers on my behalf, just as I apologize to each person any of my recent words has offended. I truly did not mean to sound hostile at any time. I do not consider myself to be anti-Catholic in any way. It’s just that I am not Roman Catholic. My beliefs do not line up appropriately for that, and I have come to realize that the difference in what I believe and what the Church instructs diverge enough to warrant my departure. In fact it demands it.
But I have no ill feelings towards the Church.
God bless you all.
~Cherub

 

[Traditional_Ang]

Rand Al'Thor:

lol.
What exactly is the Anglican Rite like (for a service, that is)? I’ve never been to an Anglican or Episcopal church.

In Christ,
Rand

Rand:

I belong to the Traditional Anglican Communion - This is the Website, browse at will:
acahome.org/tac/index.htm

The part I belong to is known as the Anglican Church in American (I understand the “in” is important - I can describe why later);
acahome.org/index.htm

I’m in the Diocese of the West
anglicanwest.org/index.htm

You would be in the Diocese of the Missouri Valley and you would be under Archbishop Faulk, who was the first Primate of the TAC.
acahome.org/dmov/index.htm

I don’t know about the “Churchmanship” of Abp. Faulk’s Diocese, but you can use this locator to see if any of these parishes are near you:
acahome.org/dmov/dmovchur.htm

If you’re ever in Los Angeles, California, I’m extending an invitation for you to join me for a Solumn High Mass here:
stmaryoftheangels.org/

We use the Anglican Missal which is esentially a 16th-17th Century translation of the old Tridentine Mass. Picture the Tridentine Mass as translated by the Translators of the King’s James Bible or of the Duoay Rheims and you begin to have the picture.

That’s why Cardinal Cushing dropped and Anglican Missal down on the table and told the Committee on Translation not to do any more work because, “The job’s already been done for us!”

If you’re not comfortable with the TAC, Anglican Use Parishes, which use a “Catholicked” version of the 1979 BCP (the thing is over 7800 pages long and there are posters here who worked on the “Frontaspiece” of the alter version)

atonementonline.com/anglican_use.html
home.stx.rr.com/stanselm/
walsingham-church.org/
stmarythevirgin.org/ (hit bulletin)
I don’t think Boston is in your area
atonementonline.com/index.php
anglicanuse.org/

The Anglican use is a Pasteral Provision and is not inteneded as a permanent ecclesiastical structure.

The “Floodgate” that was refered to to by AnglicanRite are actually (from what I can tell) as many as 3 “Floodgates”. (1) There will most definitely be a LOT of orthodox Anglicans leaving ECUSA, the Church of Canada soon. They have to go somewhere, and that will be to a LITURGICAL Church with Authoirty and Sacraments. (2) The TAC (see Above) has been in negotiation with the Vatican since 1994 for reunion with Rome. Since the TAC comprises 500,000 members, and 300,000 of them would make the trip, the Vatican is looking at the creation of a Sui Iuris Church within the Catholic Church (Yes, a seperate RITE - This would be a permanent eclesiastical structure) that would allow the Catholic Church to not only deal with the floodgates (1 still left and a BIG ONE) of various Anglicans but would also allow the Catholic Church (as part of the deal) to deal with those who have been offended in some way by the Novus Ordo and “want the old Mass back”.

The THIRD Floodgate would actually be the largest, as the Global South responds to the heresy of the north and realizes they can NOT win against the money and influence of the corrupted north. The Global South, and all those in sympathy with them in the north will leave. If this is done correctly, the Catholic Church will be able to gather some 10 million or so faithful “High-Church Anglo-Catholics” from the 77 million (mainly nominal) Anglican Communion.

I imagine that many “Low-Church Evangelicals” will begin to look very seriously at the claims of Catholicsm if this is done with enough compassion and speed.

The one advantage we have in all of this is that Pope John Paul II’s point man on this was Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, who is now His Holiness, Pope Benedict XVI. This means that we do have a chance for this to handled with some speed and dispatch.

Pray for a successful conclusion. A LOT of good Christians are hurting in the Anglican Communion, and I agree with both Popes that it would be good if the Catholic Church had a place for them to feel welcome.

Blessed are they who act to save God’s Little Ones. Michael

 

[WBB]

Traditional Ang:

The TAC (see Above) has been in negotiation with the Vatican since 1994 for reunion with Rome. Since the TAC comprises 500,000 members, and 300,000 of them would make the trip, the Vatican is looking at the creation of a Sui Iuris Church within the Catholic Church (Yes, a seperate RITE - This would be a permanent eclesiastical structure) that would allow the Catholic Church to not only deal with the floodgates (1 still left and a BIG ONE) of various Anglicans but would also allow the Catholic Church (as part of the deal) to deal with those who have been offended in some way by the Novus Ordo and “want the old Mass back”.

How far along are they in the process of this?

 

[Traditional_Ang]

WBB:

Oops. I forgot to give you a link to the Anglican Use parishes.

Sorry about that!

WBB:

DON’T WORRY - I just took care of that, and gave Rand some info on the Rumered Anglican “Rite” that’s been in the works for some time now.

Untill I was given permssion to begin posting the information some 6 months ago, I was privy to the largest secret kept by the most people on since D-Day. 300,000 members of the TAC knew that serious talks were ungoing with ROME, when a Google search could turn NOTHING up (The Vatican was keeping silent as well). Many of them had known about it for over a year before I begn posting the details here.

I believe that, If this is successful, those parishes that are within the pastoral provision will also be allowed to join the Sui Iuris Church, as would any parishes coming over after the TAC has been united to the Catholic Church and effectively renamed (Probably - “Anglican Catholic Church”).

Pleae pray for this process - I’m seeing things in the anglican Communion which are suggesting that it would be better if we could get this done sooner.

Blessed are they who act to save God’s Little Ones. Michael

 

[WBB]

Traditional Ang:

WBB:

DON’T WORRY - I just took care of that, and gave Rand some info on the Rumered Anglican “Rite” that’s been in the works for some time now.

Untill I was given permssion to begin posting the information some 6 months ago, I was privy to the largest secret kept by the most people on since D-Day. 300,000 members of the TAC knew that serious talks were ungoing with ROME, when a Google search could turn NOTHING up (The Vatican was keeping silent as well). Many of them had known about it for over a year before I begn posting the details here.

I believe that, If this is successful, those parishes that are within the pastoral provision will also be allowed to join the Sui Iuris Church, as would any parishes coming over after the TAC has been united to the Catholic Church and effectively renamed (Probably - “Anglican Catholic Church”).

Pleae pray for this process - I’m seeing things in the anglican Communion which are suggesting that it would be better if we could get this done sooner.

Blessed are they who act to save God’s Little Ones. Michael

You bet I will pray about it! I was an Episcopalian before I became a member of the Latin Church, so at times I miss the Elizabethan English. I would certainly consider attending Mass at an Anglican Catholic Church united to Rome.

 

[Traditional_Ang]

WBB:

How far along are they in the process of this?

WBB:

I’m not in the negotiating room, so I can only tell you what I’m either told directly (“It’s OK to post this”) or what I get by questioning my Bishops.

As of my conversation with Bishop Chislett, the Vatican had “strongly urged” the TAC to send as many Bishops who could attend to the upcoming International Conference of Bishops and the preceding Retreat scheduled for later this summer in Rome.

From what I gather, NO Anglican Bishop has ever been invited to the Retreat or to the Conference. Therefore, the above has to be regarded as a very positive sign.

They are far enough along that the then Cardinal Ratzinger had a Line by Line examination done on the Orders of every Priest and Bishop in the TAC. Per the letters from HIS office, the Orders of the priests at St, Mary’s are Valid since they all trace their Orders back to OLD CATHOLIC Bishops (Before they started ordaining women priests)!

I don’t know what the verdicts are on the Orders of all the priests in the TAC, but Pope Benedict XVI knows where the “Trouble Spots” are!

I also understand they are talking what changes the Vatican wants to see done to the liturgy, and it sounds like Pope Benedict is keeping this one close. He doesn’t want a 7800 page monster that can’t fit in the pews. (The 1928 bcp is around 500 pages for Morning and Evening prayer and Holy Communion and most of the propers and readings for the Sundays and Holy Days of the year). The Anglican Missal is 1-1/2 that size, and has all of the propers and readings (except for the added OT reading) for all the days of the year, but leaves out Morning and Evening Prayer.

The Vatican has also apparently accepted our married clergy, as is, but is discussing what the next generation should look like, wanting the TAC-ACC to take on the Discipline of the Eastern Catholic Churches as a sign of obedience (And I’ve just explained why they should take it without any further question).

I was involved in one trial balloon that apparently was suggested by someone at the Vatican, who then made the suggestion that someone post it somewhere to see how the faithful would respond. He got his response alright! and, That’s all I will say about that here.

That’s how close things are… So, as I said, please pray for us, and please pray for those still stuck in the Anglican Communion, both the orthodox and the heterodox.

And, Pray that the people in the TAC remember and OBEY Jesus’ prayer (“That they all may be ONE”) when ROME decides that the time is right.

And., Please pray for this country - Pray that we stop sacrificing children to the god of convenience in and through the crime of Abortion.

Blessed are they who act to save God’s Little Ones. Michael

 

[Eden]

Traditional Ang:

WBB:

DON’T WORRY - I just took care of that, and gave Rand some info on the Rumered Anglican “Rite” that’s been in the works for some time now.

Untill I was given permssion to begin posting the information some 6 months ago, I was privy to the largest secret kept by the most people on since D-Day. 300,000 members of the TAC knew that serious talks were ungoing with ROME, when a Google search could turn NOTHING up (The Vatican was keeping silent as well). Many of them had known about it for over a year before I begn posting the details here.

I believe that, If this is successful, those parishes that are within the pastoral provision will also be allowed to join the Sui Iuris Church, as would any parishes coming over after the TAC has been united to the Catholic Church and effectively renamed (Probably - “Anglican Catholic Church”).

Pleae pray for this process - I’m seeing things in the anglican Communion which are suggesting that it would be better if we could get this done sooner.

Blessed are they who act to save God’s Little Ones. Michael

Bless you for being able to keep such a huge secret! I’m praying for this process. I look forward to welcoming all of the TAC members home! My dad is C of E on official documents only so please excuse me for being uninformed about the different Anglican churches, but is Queen Elizabeth “The Defender of the (Traditional Anglican) Faith”? Or is she a different branch of Anglicanism?

 

[Traditional_Ang]

WBB:

You bet I will pray about it! I was an Episcopalian before I became a member of the Latin Church, so at times I miss the Elizabethan English. I would certainly consider attending Mass at an Anglican Catholic Church united to Rome.

WBB:

My earlier Invitation is still out there - We have several Catholic Churches in the Area where you could take your Communion as dictated by Canon Law (There’s Blessed Sacrament just 1-1/2 miles down the street). You could join us for the 10 am Solemn High Mass - followed by brunch downstairs ($3.00 Cheap and usually something pretty decent - best kept secret in Christendom and in LA), and then head over to Blessed Sacrament after you’ve had a chance to meet some of us (Steve Caldwell, our Ceremonarius, survived multiple simultaneous and sequential strokes and has had a miraculous recovery) and see the Church (it was built and paid for by Mary Pickford and has a priceless sculpture of the Annunciation that was donated by a Jewish Hollywood Mogul on the 1930’s).

The Blessed Sacrament Mass schedule is here:
blessedsacramenthollywood.org/sacraments/masses.htm

I must warn you that they’re quite liberal, and you’ll probably feel more comfortable with the preaching at St. Mary’s, but at least you can take your communion there and be obedient to the Canons of the Catholic Church.

Meanwhile, if you’re familiar with your parish priest, and if he’ll listen to you. show him this from a friend of the Pope, Fr. Joseph Fessio, S.J.:

The Mass of Vatican II
ignatiusinsight.com/features2005/fessio_massv2_1_jan05.asp

I read this article and became an almost instant expert on the Liturgy. This is far more worshipful than what is being done in most parishes. If he’s willing to do this, I’m sure you’ll like it better than whatever he’s doing now.

You might also ask about Latin Indult Masses or even Novus Ordo Masses done in Latin. Ask if he’ll consider either of these. There is a patoral provision for both. Pope John Paul II essentually resorted to ordering bishops to allow the Indults after they refused to allow them

You are well within your rights to ask for it. Just remember to look to see if it’s being done in your area first, and then ask politefully and respectfully if it isn’t.

Good Luck. I’m sure you’ll get more basic Catholic Doctrine at the Indults than at most Novus Ordo parishes. That’s really a crying shame.

Blessed are they who act to save the live of God’s Little Ones. Michael

 

[WBB]

Traditional Ang:

That’s how close things are… So, as I said, please pray for us, and please pray for those still stuck in the Anglican Communion, both the orthodox and the heterodox.

And, Pray that the people in the TAC remember and OBEY Jesus’ prayer (“That they all may be ONE”) when ROME decides that the time is right.

And., Please pray for this country - Pray that we stop sacrificing children to the god of convenience in and through the crime of Abortion.

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Through the intercession of Our Lady of Walsingham, Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy and save us!

 

[Traditional_Ang]

Eden:

Bless you for being able to keep such a huge secret! I’m praying for this process. I look forward to welcoming all of the TAC members home! My dad is C of E on official documents only so please excuse me for being uninformed about the different Anglican churches, but is Queen Elizabeth “The Defender of the (Traditional Anglican) Faith”? Or is she a different branch of Anglicanism?

Eden:

Queen Eliabeth II was and still is the Titular Head of C of E which is part of the Anglican Communion which ordains women “Priests” and “Bishops”, which goes against BASIC Sacramental Theology. All three have also ordained NON-Celebate gay and lesbian Priests (still having homosexual sex), while ECUSA has consecrated an openly Gay Bishop who left his wife and young children to move in with his male lover. Queen Elizabeth II is still the Titular Head of the Church of England which approves of Abortions in some cases (during all 9 months of pregnancy - discouraged during the last 6 months). From 1982 to 1999, the position in ECUSA was ON DEMAND UNTIL BIRTH. The Church of Canada’s has been to allow Abortion On Demand during the 1st 3 months, and may have been modified more towards the old ECUSA position given the way the whole Huron - UWO thing went down last week.

The C of E, ECUSA and the Church of Canada (C of C) are all part of the Anglican Communion and are in union with the Archbishop of Canterbury. Part of the purpose of the meetings at Nottingham were to determine whether or not the C of C and ECUSA should be allowed to remain members of the Anglican Communion, or whether they are to be excommunicated as a result of their heresy and immorality.

To ensure that the rest of the Communion “Can’t act too rashly”, ECUSA and the C of C waitied until the conference to submit their reply with was demanded last year.

Most of the Bishops and Primates in the Global South are in complete oposition to the Anglican Communion’s positions on Abortion, homosexual relations or any sexual relations outside of marraige and the ordination of women priests and Bishops, esp. as annunciated by ECUSA and the C of C. One wonders how they belong to the same Church.

The Global South believes that the whole problem of ECUSA and the C of C has been the complete forsaking of the Gospel coupled with the embrace of the values of the world, so the at ECUSA and C of C have been Conformed to the World, NOT Transformed by the Renewal of their hearts through the Grace of God in Christ Jesus. they believe this has been like a cancer to the rest of the Communion and that it is corrupting those members which have too much contact with ECUSA and/or the C of C. They believe the only solution is the tough love of excommunication and turning both bodies over to Satan as St. Paul used to say he did.

The Traditional Anglican Communion (in union with Archbishop Hepworth of Adelaide, Austraia & hopefully soon with Rome) is a completely different body from the Anglican Communion. We do not ordain women as priests, nor do we approve of any form of abortion or extramarital sexual relations. We, together with members of the Global South, have been trying to minister to many of the orthodox and their congregations in the Anglican Communion who find themselves at their wits’ end or at the end of their collective ropes.

I know several people people who can personality attest to an act of mercy on the part of the Nigerian Bishop whose letter appears above. he’s a godly and decent man, who I very much hope joins us in the trip to Rome. He is definitely NO HIRELING.

I hope this answers your question.

Please pray for her, for us and for all involved in the situation. This can only get worse so long as Secular Humanism rather than the Gospel is what is preached in those very near dead Churches.

Blessed are they who act to save God’s Little Ones. Michael

 

[Matt16_18]

Traditional Ang:

… the Vatican is looking at the creation of a Sui Iuris Church within the Catholic Church (Yes, a seperate RITE - This would be a permanent eclesiastical structure)

I doubt very much that this is true.