Scenario: If scientists found out that aliens started life on earth, how would that effect the Catholic Faith?

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Della said:
I’m curious as to how the Church would respond too. But, the Church isn’t going to respond because there is nothing to respond to but someone’s imagination not a scientific hypothesis put forward by any scientific entity. Unless and until it is, the Church will say nothing about it.

:rotfl: Or maybe you really believe this? I can’t think why when I have written nothing from which anyone could get that impression. 🤷

If I had no interest I wouldn’t post.

It is a moot point because, once again, the Church will not consider such a hypothesis unless it is made by the scientific community, and it would have to have some bearing on Church teaching. Otherwise, the Church could care less. And I’ll post wherever and whenever I please.

Who has been uncharitable? Quotations please.
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universetoday.com/44713/vatican-holds-conference-on-extraterrestrial-life/

The above link directly contradicts your attitude towards the OP and what you have just written in regards to the churches position on questions relating to the possibility of extraterrestrials.

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universetoday.com/14262/vatican-astronomer-says-its-ok-to-believe-in-et/

“The director of the Vatican observatory said it’s possible that intelligent life exists on other planets. And since aliens would be part of God’s creation, their existence would not contradict the Catholic faith. In an interview with the Vatican newspaper Rev. Jose Gabriel Funes discussed the Big Bang theory, as well as creation and evolution.”

“This follows the statement made last year by the Pope’s chief astronomer, Father Gabriel Funes, that the existence of extraterrestrials does not preclude a belief in God, and that it’s a question to be explored by the Catholic Church. The event, put on by the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, took place at the Casina Pio IV on the Vatican grounds from November 6-11.”

Just because something is not important to the almighty “Della”, does not mean the question is not important to the Catholic Church and the rest of humanity.
 
ChainBreaker said:
universetoday.com/14262/vatican-astronomer-says-its-ok-to-believe-in-et/

“The director of the Vatican observatory said it’s possible that intelligent life exists on other planets. And since aliens would be part of God’s creation, their existence would not contradict the Catholic faith. In an interview with the Vatican newspaper Rev. Jose Gabriel Funes discussed the Big Bang theory, as well as creation and evolution.”

“This follows the statement made last year by the Pope’s chief astronomer, Father Gabriel Funes, that the existence of extraterrestrials does not preclude a belief in God, and that it’s a question to be explored by the Catholic Church. The event, put on by the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, took place at the Casina Pio IV on the Vatican grounds from November 6-11.”

Just because something is not important to the almighty “Della”, does not mean the question is not important to the Catholic Church and the rest of humanity.
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I don’t intend to put up with this OP’s rudeness any longer. Good luck and God Bless, Memaw
 
Memaw said:
You didn’t have to start this thread if you didn’t want others opinions! It isn’t necessary to be so rude! God Bless, Memaw
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I want constructive opinions, opinions that actually provide informative and fruitful answers; not weapons and devices forged to shun and undermine the confidence of the people asking questions.
 
ChainBreaker said:
I want constructive opinions, opinions that actually provide informative and fruitful answers; not weapons and devices forged to shun and undermine the confidence of the people asking questions.
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Do you have a response to post #77.
 
ChainBreaker said:
universetoday.com/14262/vatican-astronomer-says-its-ok-to-believe-in-et/

“The director of the Vatican observatory said it’s possible that intelligent life exists on other planets. And since aliens would be part of God’s creation, their existence would not contradict the Catholic faith. In an interview with the Vatican newspaper Rev. Jose Gabriel Funes discussed the Big Bang theory, as well as creation and evolution.”

“This follows the statement made last year by the Pope’s chief astronomer, Father Gabriel Funes, that the existence of extraterrestrials does not preclude a belief in God, and that it’s a question to be explored by the Catholic Church. The event, put on by the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, took place at the Casina Pio IV on the Vatican grounds from November 6-11.”

Just because something is not important to the almighty “Della”, does not mean the question is not important to the Catholic Church and the rest of humanity.
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Almighty? Thanks for the designation. I’ll have to put that in my profile. 😛

This quotation changes nothing I wrote. The Church may indeed take up the question, as suggested by the Vatican observatory, but it’s only a suggestion. It’s obvious you don’t understand how the Church takes up such questions. Only if such a question becomes necessary to be explored will the Church–the bishops of the Church including the pope, bother to look into it. The Vatican observatory does not speak for the Church, the Magisterium does–the bishops in union with the pope.

If and when that happens your question may be addressed by the Church. Until then it is a moot question to ask what the Church might do about this or any other such question. That is the question you asked, right? You didn’t ask if aliens planted the human species, but rather what the Church would do about it and if it would impact our faith. If you want to speculate about the origins of the human species, we’d be happy to do so, if forum rules allow it. Does that make what I’m saying clearer–I take all the blame for any misunderstandings. 🙂
 
Della said:
Almighty? Thanks for the designation. I’ll have to put that in my profile. 😛

This quotation changes nothing I wrote. The Church may indeed take up the question, as suggested by the Vatican observatory, but it’s only a suggestion. It’s obvious you don’t understand how the Church takes up such questions. Only if such a question becomes necessary to be explored will the Church–the bishops of the Church including the pope, bother to look into it. The Vatican observatory does not speak for the Church, the Magisterium does–the bishops in union with the pope.

If and when that happens your question may be addressed by the Church. Until then it is a moot question to ask what the Church might do about this or any other such question. That is the question you asked, right? You didn’t ask if aliens planted the human species, but rather what the Church would do about it and if it would impact our faith. If you want to speculate about the origins of the human species, we’d be happy to do so, if forum rules allow it. Does that make what I’m saying clearer–I take all the blame for any misunderstandings. 🙂
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I have the answers i was looking for. You have nothing of value to offer to this thread.

Thanks for your participation.
 
davidv said:
Do you have a response to post #77.
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It’s not necessary. I have learned from other willing Catholics that the idea of aliens starting life on earth does not conflict with church teaching.
 
ChainBreaker said:
I have the answers i was looking for. You have nothing of value to offer to this thread.

Thanks for your participation.
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Nothing except enlightening your misperceptions. Sorry learning how the Church takes on such matters is of no interest to you, but you did ask, so I answered. 🤷
 
Della said:
Nothing except enlightening your misperceptions. Sorry learning how the Church takes on such matters is of no interest to you, but you did ask, so I answered. 🤷
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I did not ask whether or not the Pope cares about such questions. Which leads me to believe that for some strange reason you wish to evade the question by devaluing it.

I asked what are the theological implications if the OP was true (i was not asking you personally as the world does not revolve around your opinion alone; thankfully). You do not have to answer the question or value it, which is why i fail to understand your (name removed by moderator)ut on this thread.

But nonetheless, i have what i was looking for and so we needn’t discuss this issue any longer.
 
ChainBreaker said:
Is it a dogma of the Catholic church that we are the only creatures made in God’s image (or the only sentient beings). God made angels and they are more intelligent than us.
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There is a Vatican.va document somewhere which, in the first paragraph, states that the angels too are made in God’s image and likeness. This would explain why they look similar to us, the only difference in appearance being the wings.

I can’t find the document though, when I searched for it, but it’s somewhere. I tried to find it in my bookmarks, but I might not have added it there. :o I don’t even remember the title.

Even though the angels, not being limited to time and space, are naturally more intelligent than we are, it is said that God “made men a little less than the angels”. The keyword here is little, and so we have the capacity to be as glorified as the angelic beings are, particularly once we reach Heaven.
 
I think the topic of this thread will be the ‘great deception’ God will set upon us…I think eventually we will discover proof of other intelligent civilizations (if they havent already), but it will be a major disclosure type event, and shortly after, our ‘experts’ and other scientists (or the aliens themselves), will claim the aliens are our real creators, and therefore we should not be worshiping the biblical God…I think eventually this will lead to a time when most religions will be outlawed, the bible does tell us there will be a time like this near the end.

think about it, if many top scientific experts came out and showed us all what they consider to be ‘proof’ these aliens created us, and had a good ‘smoke and mirrors’ presentation as to how this all happened…how many people would believe them? Personally I think ALOT of people would fall for this deception, and only the truly faithful would recognize it for what it is.
 
mikekle said:
I think the topic of this thread will be the ‘great deception’ God will set upon us…I think eventually we will discover proof of other intelligent civilizations (if they havent already), but it will be a major disclosure type event, and shortly after, our ‘experts’ and other scientists (or the aliens themselves), will claim the aliens are our real creators, and therefore we should not be worshiping the biblical God…I think eventually this will lead to a time when most religions will be outlawed, the bible does tell us there will be a time like this near the end.

think about it, if many top scientific experts came out and showed us all what they consider to be ‘proof’ these aliens created us, and had a good ‘smoke and mirrors’ presentation as to how this all happened…how many people would believe them? Personally I think ALOT of people would fall for this deception, and only the truly faithful would recognize it for what it is.
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As God is all good, He can neither deceive, nor be deceived.

Meaning, the rest of the post is fantasy fiction.
 
davidv said:
As God is all good, He can neither deceive, nor be deceived.

Meaning, the rest of the post is fantasy fiction.
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So, why does the bible talk about the great/grand deception God will put upon us near the end times?
 
davidv said:
Meaning, the rest of the post is fantasy fiction.
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Well, it does follow the plot of the movie Prometheus pretty closely… 😉

(In any case, as others have mentioned, if this did happen, the question would then be, “ok, but who created the alien race?”)
 
Gorgias said:
Well, it does follow the plot of the movie Prometheus pretty closely… 😉

(In any case, as others have mentioned, if this did happen, the question would then be, “ok, but who created the alien race?”)
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No matter how many intelligent civilizations are out there, God created them all…at some point in time. Many probably 1000s or 100s of 1000s years before mankind though.

Only other explanation is the ‘beings’ involved in this deception are actually demons, masquerading as aliens.

One verse where God tells us ‘those things that will be coming upon the earth in those days, will put fear in people’, I think this verse is describing the coming of these alien/demonic beings.
 
mikekle said:
No matter how many intelligent civilizations are out there, God created them all…at some point in time. Many probably 1000s or 100s of 1000s years before mankind though.

Only other explanation is the ‘beings’ involved in this deception are actually demons, masquerading as aliens.
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If they exist; you forgot that part. 😉
One verse where God tells us ‘those things that will be coming upon the earth in those days, will put fear in people’, I think this verse is describing the coming of these alien/demonic beings.
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OK, fair enough: that’s your personal opinion. Not the interpretation of the Church… just your personal interpretation of Scripture. You know what the Bible says about personal interpretation of Scripture, right? 👍
 
This earth seeding theory has been debunked so many times it’s basically just a conspiracy theory . There are so many problems with this that it’s just a wishful thinking sort of thing .

The time factor is but one of the problems that makes it virtually impossible. The problem gets worse as you have even less time to explain how the aliens themselves got created. Who created the aliens and so on and so on .

I believe that this falls sufficiently under Ockham’s razor .

I could just as easily ask which monkey that was typing on a keyboard eventually created Shakespeare’s play and if so who created that keyboard .
 
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