Schismatic Liturgy vs. Catholic Communion Service

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St. Athanasius was exiled by the emperor and excommunicated by the pope for not giving in into the Arian Heresy which was so widespread that nearly 80% of the bishops were heretics, yet St. Athanasius and the Church triumphed over the Arian bishops and one more proof that the Gates of Hell shall ever prevail!
 
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Iohannes:
St. Athanasius was exiled by the emperor and excommunicated by the pope for not giving in into the Arian Heresy which was so widespread that nearly 80% of the bishops were heretics, yet St. Athanasius and the Church triumphed over the Arian bishops and one more proof that the Gates of Hell shall ever prevail!
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This example is frequently cited on rad trad sites to try and justify their disobedience to the Holy Father regarding the Mass. The fact remains that neither the Popes nor the Council have altered the Mass in either intent, matter, or form (which they can’t do). We use unleavened bread, the priest intends to confect the Sacrifice and the essential words are there. We owe the Church obedience and those who say otherwise are schismatic.
 
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This example is frequently cited on rad trad sites to try and justify their disobedience to the Holy Father regarding the Mass. The fact remains that neither the Popes nor the Council have altered the Mass in either intent, matter, or form (which they can’t do). We use unleavened bread, the priest intends to confect the Sacrifice and the essential words are there. We owe the Church obedience and those who say otherwise are schismatic.
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We have no Sunday Obligation at all under these circumstances, but I might still go to the schismatic church and not receive communion. Whether Catholic or schismatic the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is of infinite value.
 
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Iohannes:
St. Athanasius was exiled by the emperor and excommunicated by the pope for not giving in into the Arian Heresy which was so widespread that nearly 80% of the bishops were heretics, yet St. Athanasius and the Church triumphed over the Arian bishops and one more proof that the Gates of Hell shall ever prevail!
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Yes. And this has what to do with?
 
I voted for the other because I don’t attend liturgies that are open to defect in the Newchurch as well as schismatic Churches such as Orthodox, Old Catholics, groups like that. Its either SSPX (which is an insult to even say its schismatic)or nothing. If there is only the New liturgy or Orthodox liturgy on Sunday and the latin liturgy was available more than 2 hours a way, then I would stay at home and pray my Latin missal and rosary. Joseph
 
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I voted for the other because I don’t attend liturgies that are open to defect in the Newchurch as well as schismatic Churches such as Orthodox, Old Catholics, groups like that. Its either SSPX (which is an insult to even say its schismatic)or nothing. If there is only the New liturgy or Orthodox liturgy on Sunday and the latin liturgy was available more than 2 hours a way, then I would stay at home and pray my Latin missal and rosary. Joseph
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The SSPX is schismatic. Their leaders are excommunicate, their priests are as well. While their orders are valid, they are entirely illicit. They possess no faculties to celebrate any sacrament. The Vicar of Christ on earth confirmed that in Ecclesia Dei. You appear to “formally” adhere to the error, so that would place you in schism as well (“Its either SSPX …or nothing”). You should prayerfully reconsider this, as formal schism is far more serious than material schism.

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
"Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door.** Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336"**
 
RC Traditional:
I voted for the other because I don’t attend liturgies that are open to defect in the Newchurch as well as schismatic Churches such as Orthodox, Old Catholics, groups like that. Its either SSPX (which is an insult to even say its schismatic)or nothing. If there is only the New liturgy or Orthodox liturgy on Sunday and the latin liturgy was available more than 2 hours a way, then I would stay at home and pray my Latin missal and rosary. Joseph
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How sad. It would seem that don’t believe in Pastor Aeternus.
ewtn.com/library/councils/v1.htm#6 It would seem that some like to pick and choose which Church documents they will be obedient and submissive to - even the pre-Vatican II ones. 😦
 
I am an ex-SSPX’er. I post this as a warning.

I received much of my early catechesis with SSPX because it was one-on-one with a priest and because I was told by their secretary that SSPX was in full communion with Rome. I found out six months later, that they had lied to me and that they are not in communion with Rome after reading Ecclesia Dei.

From personal experience, I seriously warn people against SSPX. They began schismatics and are now bordering Sedevacantism, though they don’t state this publically.

Simply being in proximity to these people can be a spiritual danger, for they don’t let go of you easily. I had them calling my house and showing up at my workplace, asking why I left the group. I admire their zeal, but I felt they had stepped over the line when they started interfering in my personal and work life.

Don’t get me wrong. I LOVE the Tridentene Mass. I have no qualms with the Mass or the pre-Vatican II liturgy. I do however have problems with SSPX’s political views, and I did not like what they had to say about my Papa (who was at the time Pope John Paul II).

My main reason for leaving the group was this letter. I had no idea of its existence until I was six months into my catechesis with SSPX:
vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/motu_proprio/documents/hf_jp-ii_motu-proprio_02071988_ecclesia-dei_en.html

My advice would be this:
Steer clear of SSPX.

Watch the Mass online or at EWTN and make an act of Spiritual Communion. Then, go to the Communion Service to receive Our Lord for the sacramental communion.

St. Anne’s Cathedral has online Daily Mass and online Sunday Mass, and you can access it even if you only have dialup.
themass.com/default1024.htm
 
The SSPX did not begin as “schismatics.” Archbishop Lefebvre had full permission to start this society.

The SSPX released a book against sedevacantism and on their website attacked sedevacantism. Saying that they border on sedevacantism is silly. Maybe individual priest, etc.

Anyones the pope is expected to meet with the Four SSPX Bishops very soon. Whatever your views are, just pray that there is healing and reconcillation.

Anyways, have you guys checked inside the house?
 
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