Schwarzenegger: ‘Extreme Right Wing’ Of Republican Party Has Litmus Test That ‘Doesn’t Allow Compromise’

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Sure. When asked about for instance whether people with pre existing conditions should be denied health care coverage as they were before healthcare reform, people say absolutely not. And many parents actually like for instance the idea of their children being able to remain on their healthcare coverage longer to ensure their children have adequate health care.

Republicans had plenty of opportunity to do something about health care and pre existing conditions for instance when they were in power. But it wasn’t until Obama that they started to talk about the problems in our heathcare system. Don’t get me wrong the healthcare reform law is not perfect. But at least it was a start. It wasn’t until Republicans began to demaogue it as “Obamacare” with falsehoods about granny death panels and such that polls began to show less support. Before then many polls actually showed people even supported a public option. Which of course is not in the law.

Which brings me to another point. I know folks around here like to say “Obamacare” is not supported by the people. If someone asked me whether I agree with the Affordable Care Act, depending on my mood that day, I might even say no. But that would be because I didn’t think it went far enough. If not single payer I thought we needed at least a public option to bring about more competition and to make healthcare more affordable. So I wouldn’t put much stock in polls that say people oppose it. People might say they oppose it for entirely different reasons than you do. On another day however I might say I support it because it was a start and better than the status quo.
Now, let me get this straight. Alan55 tells sedonaman “there are some really good pharmaceutical remedies for the level of paranoia you are exhibiting,” and sedonaman asks “through Obamacare?” Your answer is “sure?” So, you are thinking sedonaman should take somre really good pharmaceutical remedies, covered by Obamacare, for his supposed paranoia?
 
… If not single payer I thought we needed at least a public option to bring about more competition and to make healthcare more affordable. …
I don’t think government should compete with private industry, but am willing to say this might not be a bad idea if only to prove that government cannot compete in a truly free market in which it doesn’t have a monopoly. This would require that it be a true option, with the government charging only its enrollees and not everyone.
So I wouldn’t put much stock in polls that say people oppose it. People might say they oppose it for entirely different reasons than you do. …
That’s all well and good, but “why” doesn’t matter; if the people oppose it, the government should scrap it, or never have passed it in the first place.

“Nø, they can’t.”
 
That’s because people haven’t been made aware that if pre-existing conditions were allowed, no one would buy insurance until he needed it, then cancel after he got well. That’s a no-brainer: auto insurance companies do not cover pre-existing accidents for the same reason.



If you want a single-payer system, I advise you to join the military; they have a single-payer system. Funny thing though; I’ve never known any mad rush to join because it was such a good deal.
That’s an example why the mandate is needed. Thanks for making a good case for it. 👍 I’m too old and have too many health issues to get into the military. My wt in proportion to my ht is also off but I don’t know if that matters. As far as others, I imagine some folks are not in a mad rush to have their heads blown off in some senseless war either. Blessed are the peacemakers as Christ said. Anyway though thanks for the suggestion.
 
Now, let me get this straight. Alan55 tells sedonaman “there are some really good pharmaceutical remedies for the level of paranoia you are exhibiting,” and sedonaman asks “through Obamacare?” Your answer is “sure?” So, you are thinking sedonaman should take somre really good pharmaceutical remedies, covered by Obamacare, for his supposed paranoia?
No I don’t know Sedonaman other than thru a few posts of his I’ve read. So I have no idea whether he has paranoia or not. To be perfectly honest I had not caught the word “paranoia”, saw “pharmaceutical remedies” and “Obamacare” and that was what I was responding to.
 
I don’t think government should compete with private industry, but am willing to say this might not be a bad idea if only to prove that government cannot compete in a truly free market in which it doesn’t have a monopoly. This would require that it be a true option, with the government charging only its enrollees and not everyone.

That’s all well and good, but “why” doesn’t matter; if the people oppose it, the government should scrap it, or never have passed it in the first place.

“Nø, they can’t.”
That’s fine for you to think that. You’re entitiled to.

“Why” is because we have a democratic-republic where the people elect officeholders who then go on to form public policy. Personally though I’d probably have passed it if it was the best they could get at the time to get beyond the status quo. But trust me at the same time I wasn’t happy there was no public option. So much so along with another thing or two that I gave consideration to voting 3rd party. I actually did 2 yrs ago for governor. But after following the Republican debates and the attacks on Obama elsewhere, and seeing what voting 3rd party for governor brought about, and since I reside in a swing state, I’ve decided to vote for him. In any case I certainly wouldn’t scrap healthcare reform. If I were Mitt Romney and wanted to bet $10,000 like he wanted to with Rick Perry, I’d bet you wouldn’t vote for me either. 🙂
 
As far as others, I imagine some folks are not in a mad rush to have their heads blown off in some senseless war either. Blessed are the peacemakers as Christ said. Anyway though thanks for the suggestion.
Did it ever occur to you that a strong military might be an important component of keeping the peace? And that the brave men and women who join our military don’t regard their involvement as joining in senseless wars?

Ishii
 

“Why” is because we have a democratic-republic where the people elect officeholders who then go on to form public policy.
But there are limits to that public policy, just like there are to other parts of govt., unless you believe there should be no limits.
Personally though I’d probably have passed it if it was the best they could get at the time to get beyond the status quo. But trust me at the same time I wasn’t happy there was no public option.
In view of the problems with social security, medicare, medicaid and education, why there is support for more govt. is beyond me. I guess it is the idea of getting something for nothing will not die.

“Nø, they can’t.”
 
That’s an example why the mandate is needed. …
There is no mandate without taking away freedom.
… I’m too old and have too many health issues to get into the military. My wt in proportion to my ht is also off but I don’t know if that matters. As far as others, I imagine some folks are not in a mad rush to have their heads blown off in some senseless war either.
So, you admit there is a cost to it. But that’s OK. There are plenty of cushy office jobs.
Blessed are the peacemakers as Christ said.
Christ also told soldiers to be happy with their pay, so he recognized the need for a military. "The strict conditions for legitimate defense by military force require rigorous consideration. The gravity of such a decision makes it subject to rigorous conditions of moral legitimacy. …The evaluation of these conditions for moral legitimacy belongs to the prudential judgment of those who have responsibility for the common good. CCC 2309
 
Did it ever occur to you that a strong military might be an important component of keeping the peace? And that the brave men and women who join our military don’t regard their involvement as joining in senseless wars?

Ishii
Ishii no where did I say the brave men and women who join, regard a war as senseless.
 
**First off no clue why you and Swiss Guy only focus on conservative blue dogs when I also gave you a lengthier list of more centrist Democrats. **And Leader Pelosi did not cast ballots in all those places where blue dogs were defeated. The American people in those districts decided. Which I guess to you means as you put it in your own words “invited to get the h… out” for not dancing with Nancy. Except I won’t actually use the word you did.
Because centrist Democrats might be more conservative economically, but not on social issues. Blue dogs are more likely to be conservative on social issues which I find more important.
 
“Republican In Name Only”, the term used by the right wing Republicans to slam any moderate Republican who doesn’t toe their line of extremist policies.
Toe the line of extremist policies? Arnold has very little in common with the Republican Party.
 
‘Extreme Right Wing’ Of Republican Party Has Litmus Test That ‘Doesn’t Allow Compromise’: Bad.

‘Extreme Left Wing’ Of Democratic Party Has Litmus Test That ‘Doesn’t Allow Pro-Lifers’: Good.

“Nø, they can’t.”
 
Because centrist Democrats might be more conservative economically, but not on social issues. Blue dogs are more likely to be conservative on social issues which I find more important.
Exactly. The point that you are making to Cmatt show how the left - catholic or otherwise see the political spectrum mainly in terms of economics and ignore the social issues. They can’t understand how the secularization of America is also a big component of leftism. And it makes sense from the leftist perspective when you think of how they criticize traditional institutions as “patriarchal, imperialist, sexist, racist, and militarist.” It is also why the different radical groups generally agree on the main issues, economic, foreign policy and social issues such that you see at protests groups with rainbow flags promoting transgender rights along side the pro-Palestinian group which is along side the pro-abortion groups that is next to the “free health care for all” groups. They are all a part of the same ball of wax which seeks to bring down our traditional institutions. That is why leftism = abortion rights = anti-military = tax the rich, etc. A vibrant Catholic church active in the lives of people is naturally in opposition to the idea that it is the government which cures all - the government of the Obama Julia ad. The all knowing, all powerful state can’t exist along side with a strong Church. One of them has to go. I think that puts in perspective the recent actions of Obama/Sebelius that curtail the freedom of the Catholic church to act according to its own conscience. And the question the leftist/liberal catholics on this forum need to ask themselves is " am I with the Church or am I with the state?"

Ishii
 
No I don’t know Sedonaman other than thru a few posts of his I’ve read. So I have no idea whether he has paranoia or not. To be perfectly honest I had not caught the word "paranoia", saw “pharmaceutical remedies” and “Obamacare” and that was what I was responding to.
Ah…that makes more sense. It isn’t like you to accuse someone of needing medication to take care of their paranoia.
 
Exactly. The point that you are making to Cmatt show how the left - catholic or otherwise see the political spectrum mainly in terms of economics and ignore the social issues. They can’t understand how the secularization of America is also a big component of leftism. And it makes sense from the leftist perspective when you think of how they criticize traditional institutions as “patriarchal, imperialist, sexist, racist, and militarist.” It is also why the different radical groups generally agree on the main issues, economic, foreign policy and social issues such that you see at protests groups with rainbow flags promoting transgender rights along side the pro-Palestinian group which is along side the pro-abortion groups that is next to the “free health care for all” groups. They are all a part of the same ball of wax which seeks to bring down our traditional institutions. That is why leftism = abortion rights = anti-military = tax the rich, etc. A vibrant Catholic church active in the lives of people is naturally in opposition to the idea that it is the government which cures all - the government of the Obama Julia ad. The all knowing, all powerful state can’t exist along side with a strong Church. One of them has to go. I think that puts in perspective the recent actions of Obama/Sebelius that curtail the freedom of the Catholic church to act according to its own conscience. And the question the leftist/liberal catholics on this forum need to ask themselves is " am I with the Church or am I with the state?"

Ishii
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Ishii no where did I say the brave men and women who join, regard a war as senseless.
And may I add that providing for the common defense is one of the few duties assigned to the federal government. Most of the things the government (federal) is now doing belongs in the states.
 
Exactly. The point that you are making to Cmatt show how the left - catholic or otherwise see the political spectrum mainly in terms of economics and ignore the social issues. They can’t understand how the secularization of America is also a big component of leftism. And it makes sense from the leftist perspective when you think of how they criticize traditional institutions as “patriarchal, imperialist, sexist, racist, and militarist.” It is also why the different radical groups generally agree on the main issues, economic, foreign policy and social issues such that you see at protests groups with rainbow flags promoting transgender rights along side the pro-Palestinian group which is along side the pro-abortion groups that is next to the “free health care for all” groups. They are all a part of the same ball of wax which seeks to bring down our traditional institutions. That is why leftism = abortion rights = anti-military = tax the rich, etc. A vibrant Catholic church active in the lives of people is naturally in opposition to the idea that it is the government which cures all - the government of the Obama Julia ad. The all knowing, all powerful state can’t exist along side with a strong Church. One of them has to go. I think that puts in perspective the recent actions of Obama/Sebelius that curtail the freedom of the Catholic church to act according to its own conscience. And the question the leftist/liberal catholics on this forum need to ask themselves is " am I with the Church or am I with the state?"

Ishii
Great post !!! Mega 👍

The modern liberal will invariably side with evil over good, wrong over right, and the behaviors that lead to failure over those that lead to success.
 
Or the people. 👍
Well even I can’t argue with that one since the 9th amendment says “the enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people”. So if the people want to retain other rights not among those enumered in the Constitution, works for me. 👍
 
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