Science, miracles, and divine intervention

[Roseeurekacross]

You yourself claim you are an engineer, no less. So I imagine you make that claim based on a piece of paper given you by an educational institution, upon your completion of its requirements to earn that degree. Not on the assumption you cut it out from the back of a wheeties packet.

If you have degrees in both theology and philosophy, Then I will accept that you are both a qualified theologian and a qualified philosophy man.

Three degrees will make you quite the academic.

Btw, we are not discussing fallibility or otherwise. We are discussing what the Catholic Church constitutes a miracle.

And how the Church declares an event a miracle. This has nothing to do with the concept of infallibility. However, you would know that, being a university qualified theologian.

I am not sure everybody on this thread seems capable of such an appreciation of this two way street.

Shall we discuss hermeneutics

 

[FiveLinden]

Doctor patient confidentiality. To examine a case, all examinations and consultations which have been done by 3rd party doctors are submitted to the Church under non-disclosure agreements. When a miracle has been approved, the Church still needs permission of the person to whom the miracle has been given to promulgate even the bare bones of the case to the public. It is a matter concerning the Church itself. It declares it’s findings as a Church. If the one to whom the miracle is given wishes to make a secondary public examination, it is their prerogative but under the laws of the Church and Vatican City, the investigations done by the Congregation for the Causes of Saints are private.

So totally without any form of actual proof then. Only claims.

 

[FiveLinden]

Why are these so-called scientific investigations not published in peer-reviewed journals like all other scientific claims?

Any chance you could refer me to a peer review journal containing such an account?

 

[adgloriam]

Any chance you could refer me to a peer review journal containing such an account?

Try here: research

 

[FiveLinden]

Thanks for the Google reference. In fact I have done extensive research looking for any sort of scientific, well-reported, validation of any claimed miracle. So far, nothing. Just assertions. I have also raised in other threads the fact that miracles claimed in the modern process of canonisation are typically miracles that could have a natural cause such as spontaneous remission of cancer. In my book these are clearly not miracles. And if these miracles are intended as signs, surely they should impress without the need for faith? Otherwise why not just have faith?